Columbia University professor, admitted heroin user, says legalization of all drugs is 'fundamental right'

[meketrefe]

I agree with legalizing all drugs and you can now concentrate in education and sensitive regulation so you destroy the illegal producers and distributors and the associated crime.
Everyone was skeptical if this would work in Portugal when they did it but after several years the results are there and they are great.

 

[Saltwater60]

They legalized weed, but they overtax it badly enough that it still supports a black market.

Ultimate fail.

They're starting to tax tobacco enough that it's getting a black market (and the associated crime) too.

Sure did. You don’t think they won’t do the same thing with heroin?

 

[spat]

Sure did. You don’t think they won’t do the same thing with heroin?

Of course they would.

They're in the process of destroying the entire economy, they can't let one oversight wreck their perfect record.

 

[Grimscale]

Not starting. There has been a black market for at least a decade in this state. A relative of mine was in the ny state troopers and they were investigating black market sales of cigarettes that long ago.

i remember the uproar when they realized people were going to the rez for cigs and gas, and this was over 20 years ago.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Isn't heroin white?

 

[Steal2B]

Everyone was skeptical if this would work in Portugal when they did it but after several years the results are there and they are great.

It seems that most of the praise for Portugal legalizing drugs comes from the US media. My Portuguese associates who live there (many of my Portuguese friends from San Diego returned to Portugal following the collapse of the US Tuna Fishing Seiner Fleet) claim that their performance for crime and drug use crime actually did not improve even though drug use was decriminalized. The data published by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) in their World Drug Use and Crime from Opiate Use Report confirms Portugal is still a bottom quartile country worldwide (31 out of 130) for high Opiate use and associated crime (even though Opiate use is decriminalized). Where Portuguese citizens themselves believe they were successful, however, was a large statistical drop in HIV cases they were struggling with during the late 20th century due to efforts to eliminate HIV spread from heroin junkies sharing needles.

 

[GOPerfect]

Isn't heroin white?

Some is brown as well.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Some is brown as well.

Cool, diversity in lethal drugs.

 

[Criticalt]

Drug use *is* a victimless crime. Just because drug users sometimes commit non-victimless crimes is irrelevant. Even if the drugs lead them to do it.

Stealing something has a victim. Snorting something doesn't. Just because one sometimes leads to the other doesn't mean you can connect them in the way you are trying.



That's like saying the armed robber wouldn't have committed the crime if he didn't have the gun.

It's just wrong. The robber is guilty, the gun cannot commit a crime, it has no free will.

The only thing that can ever be "responsible" for an action is the *person making the decision* to commit it.

No free will = no responsibility.

Im not even talking about the legal definition of "victim" thats just where this always leads.
Im talking about the families of junkies who live in terror because of their childrens addiction. Its not the action of using the drug, its the result of the drug use that causes people to become a victim. Lies arent illegal, but you can be the victim of a lie....which junkies do.
Also, a junkie overdoses while driving and kills another driver. The dead person isnt directly the victim of drug use but still the drug use caused someone to become a victim.
Saying that drug use is completely victimless is wrong.
Using drugs causes people to victimize others.
I get what you are saying and agree that if someone robs a store for drugs, robbery is the crime that causes a victim.....but, there are other definitions of victim.

 

[Criticalt]

So that would be a "no" to reasons for drugs to be illegal?

Absolutely, im fine with drugs being legal.
But drug use isnt victim less.

 

[Criticalt]

Yes. A victim of theft. Same as if they stole for any other reason.

And the drug use caused the victimization.
I completely agree with what you say and always have.
But, drug use does cause victims.

 

[Darth]

Absolutely, im fine with drugs being legal.
But drug use isnt victim less.

You just simply can't articulate a victim? Or is this some big secret?

Please provide a victim of drug use. And "self" does not count.

 

[dwa12479]

@Criticalt you have shared in the past your personal experiences with this garbage. People that have never gone through what you have, can only imagine how tough the events are. I am thankful that I have never had the experience in my family.

On a professional level, I have seen what this junk does. The harder the drug, the worse the picture is. Many will say the Victimless crap, they are clueless and rather foolish. They do nothing but show their ignorance of the truth.

I have watched Judges try to hep these junkies and crackheads just to have them return time after time after time. The revolving doors of these people is through the roof.

The majority of those that I have dealt with personally, the only thing they think about is getting their hands on more junk. I have spoken with hundreds of these people, they will openly admit that they are willing to anything to get their hands on more. They will sell their children, they will rob from their families, they will beat up old ladies. They will rob and they will steal from anyone or anything to get a bag of their poison.

I will repeat, legalize all of this poison. All of it. The same time that this garbage is made legal, make it unlawful for the use of Narcan and other lifesaving techniques. Allow them to all die when the Overdose. Do not save them when they are in cardiac arrest. Do nothing to assist them when they are seizing up due to their addiction.

End the war on drugs, end it today. Those that are weak that need these drugs, those that need the poison, allow them to die, and they will. Stop imposing the morals and the ethics of some upon others.

Could not agree more.

 

[Criticalt]

You just simply can't articulate a victim? Or is this some big secret?

Please provide a victim of drug use. And "self" does not count.

I have repeatedly and everyone else sees it, you just cant get past your long held beliefs.
Ive explained it in multiple ways but you just cant grasp it......im not explaining it AGAIN.

 

[Darth]

I have repeatedly and everyone else sees it, you just cant get past your long held beliefs.
Ive explained it in multiple ways but you just cant grasp it......im not explaining it AGAIN.

I don't think everyone else does see it.

But I didn't see a victim posted either. If it's that on the nose, shouldn't be too much to ask.

 

[spat]

Im not even talking about the legal definition of "victim" thats just where this always leads.
Im talking about the families of junkies who live in terror because of their childrens addiction. Its not the action of using the drug, its the result of the drug use that causes people to become a victim. Lies arent illegal, but you can be the victim of a lie....which junkies do.
Also, a junkie overdoses while driving and kills another driver. The dead person isnt directly the victim of drug use but still the drug use caused someone to become a victim.
Saying that drug use is completely victimless is wrong.
Using drugs causes people to victimize others.
I get what you are saying and agree that if someone robs a store for drugs, robbery is the crime that causes a victim.....but, there are other definitions of victim.

They still aren't victims of the drugs. They may be victims of the addict, but in some of those cases even that is a stretch.

The family of an alcoholic aren't victims of alcohol.

If you stretch the shadow of victimhood that far it becomes meaningless.

Are people killed in a crash with a drunk driver victims of drinking ? Of the alcohol ? of the auto-maker ? Oil refiners ?

How far do you let it go ?

No, the only thing that makes sense is to limit the notion of victimhood to the immediate cause only, stretch it any further and it gets ridiculous.