I have a question ... or two ...

ArmedCorgi · Mar 5, 2021

Chicken Shoot said:
Before I go on a massive rant, I have one question ..... Where the FUCK is our military?? You know ... the ones that took an oath to protect America from enemies both foreign AND DOMESTIC?? Where are they?? Huh?? WHERE??? Protecting the politicians from fake attacks?? Allowing the DNC to do what it has been doing since day one is UNACCEPTABLE!! What's my new respect level for current military?? They are as useful as tits on a nun. I want answers and I want them NOW!! Don't take an oath like that and then disregard it like all DEMOCRAPS do!!! (even most repukes too!) .... to uphold and protect the Constitution someone said. Well, when is this going to happen?? This govt is NOT an American govt!!! It is an occupying govt here to destroy America AND Americans all while taking American's money to represent ANOTHER COUNTRY!!!! Is it time to pen a declaration of war in this country AGAIN?? Bueller?? Bueller??? A friggin YEAR these asshole politicians have stolen from us all for political reasons. The flu is still the flu it just sounds scarier when they rename it doesn't it??? 2 weeks to "flatten the curve". The curve of what?? Chris Christies belt line?? That shit ain't happening in two weeks!!! I WANT ANSWERS!!! Are you listening military?? Are you?? Probably not .. too busy playing with biden's hairy legs right??? So ... there's the questions .... hang on tight for the rant after I get some excuses for answers ........

I've asked the same question here and gotten a lot of "you have no idea what you are asking for, a military coup will never happen on us soil, yadda, yadda...." people need to take the blinders off and realize that yes, bad things can and are happening in this country. Our military is supposed to protect us from enemies foreign and domestic. Well, if those enemies are domestic and not just bs media propaganda and lies, then the military should do something and not just stand by and allow it to happen because "military coups don't happen here" or "you really want martial law? You have no clue what you are asking for." Fuck that! If a military coup and martial law for a defined period of time is what it takes for the military to clean up the swamp and return the country to a constitutional republic, then yes, I want that. I have a feeling though, that our military is basically owned by special interests and not by the people.

gun_slinger_boy · Mar 5, 2021

Taking the oath doesn't mean shit anymore. It's just something politicians, judges, soldiers, police etc do to get the job. I'll preempt "i take my oath seriously" by pointing out that I'm speaking broadly of course. But that's the extreme minority.

Celt · Mar 5, 2021

Im sure that plenty of top military leaders are owned by powerful people that "have dirt" on them to keep them in line. Its a sad thing thats happening to this once great nation.

dsdmmat · Mar 5, 2021

The problem you have is, “identifying who the domestic enemies are.“ Are they the people you don’t like or are they the people AOC doesn’t like?

The current crop of government officials has been legally sworn in and properly certified by the Congress. Who do you want the military to take action against?

Politics is a messy game. This is why the Military stays out of things. If the current president was not certified the winner by congress and legally sworn in then assumed power, you would have a legitimate concern. As of now everyone in power has been legally determined to be the winner and has been rightfully sworn in. The military has no basis to take action.

The problem with a representative democracy is people vote for elected officials at all levels and if they don’t demand those representatives do their jobs properly, they get the government they deserve.

spat · Mar 5, 2021

dsdmmat said:
The problem you have is, “identifying who the domestic enemies are.“ Are they the people you don’t like or are they the people AOC doesn’t like?

The current crop of government officials has been legally sworn in and properly certified by the Congress. Who do you want the military to take action against?

Politics is a messy game. This is why the Military stays out of things. If the current president was not certified the winner by congress and legally sworn in then assumed power, you would have a legitimate concern. As of now everyone in power has been legally determined to be the winner and has been rightfully sworn in. The military has no basis to take action.

The problem with a representative democracy is people vote for elected officials at all levels and if they don’t demand those representatives do their jobs properly, they get the government they deserve.

Every dictator of every banana Republic was "legally sworn in and properly certified". Anyone who refused to cooperate in that process was removed from office.

That doesn't mean shit if people no longer trust the process. It's all just window dressing.

Toecutter · Mar 5, 2021

It's shouldn't be the job of the military to protect us domestically, just not to interfere and stop us from protecting ourselves.

Our forefathers did not want a large standing military and this country did not have one until the late 1800s.

dsdmmat · Mar 5, 2021

spat said:
Every dictator of every banana Republic was "legally sworn in and properly certified". Anyone who refused to cooperate in that process was removed from office.

That doesn't mean shit if people no longer trust the process. It's all just window dressing.

when does the country become a banana republic, when 25% don’t trust the results, 50%, 75%? Remember in 2016 50% of the country thought the election was stolen by Trump. So who is appointed to make the decision? When do we cross the line and who decides the military needs to take action?

Jmac00 · Mar 5, 2021

it seems to me a military coupe would require a strong, independent command structure. Nobama seems to have purged any commander with a set of balls

I would not expect to see anything from the current chiefs of staff

Mosinitis · Mar 5, 2021

The military should stay out of domestic politics and peaceful or violent disputes. They never did. Free country, government fearing the people, posse comitatus act, blah, blah, blah, all bullshit.
We sanction other countries for much less, but can't see our own ass in a room full of mirrors.

Mosinitis · Mar 5, 2021

Posse Comitatus Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Drinkthekoolaid · Mar 5, 2021

dsdmmat said:
The problem you have is, “identifying who the domestic enemies are.“ Are they the people you don’t like or are they the people AOC doesn’t like?

The current crop of government officials has been legally sworn in and properly certified by the Congress. Who do you want the military to take action against?

Politics is a messy game. This is why the Military stays out of things. If the current president was not certified the winner by congress and legally sworn in then assumed power, you would have a legitimate concern. As of now everyone in power has been legally determined to be the winner and has been rightfully sworn in. The military has no basis to take action.

The problem with a representative democracy is people vote for elected officials at all levels and if they don’t demand those representatives do their jobs properly, they get the government they deserve.

IMO Trump had his window (around December 2020) where he had the opportunity to bring the military in to keep order while some mechanism made SCOTUS take up the election fraud cases and not ignore them. Once president Trump let that window of time sneak past and biden begin his transition and get sworn in, it was over.

President Trump had a window of time to act and it past. IMO i don't fault him, he put too much faith and trust in the process.

The military is (very unfortunately) following the current lawful sworn in administration. We can argue all day if the process was lawful and legal or not, but begrudgingly that's past now it's not changing the current reality of the military following their current commander in chief.

Just my .02 cents.

tirwin1 · Mar 5, 2021

Chicken Shoot said:
Before I go on a massive rant, I have one question ..... Where the FUCK is our military?? You know ... the ones that took an oath to protect America from enemies both foreign AND DOMESTIC?? Where are they?? Huh?? WHERE??? Protecting the politicians from fake attacks?? Allowing the DNC to do what it has been doing since day one is UNACCEPTABLE!! What's my new respect level for current military?? They are as useful as tits on a nun. I want answers and I want them NOW!! Don't take an oath like that and then disregard it like all DEMOCRAPS do!!! (even most repukes too!) .... to uphold and protect the Constitution someone said. Well, when is this going to happen?? This govt is NOT an American govt!!! It is an occupying govt here to destroy America AND Americans all while taking American's money to represent ANOTHER COUNTRY!!!! Is it time to pen a declaration of war in this country AGAIN?? Bueller?? Bueller??? A friggin YEAR these asshole politicians have stolen from us all for political reasons. The flu is still the flu it just sounds scarier when they rename it doesn't it??? 2 weeks to "flatten the curve". The curve of what?? Chris Christies belt line?? That shit ain't happening in two weeks!!! I WANT ANSWERS!!! Are you listening military?? Are you?? Probably not .. too busy playing with biden's hairy legs right??? So ... there's the questions .... hang on tight for the rant after I get some excuses for answers ........

Ok I'll bite. What specifically do you want the military to do? Invade the capital and physically remove biden and harris? Arrest all 535 members of congress? And then what? Who would run the country? Do you think the 5,000 members of the national guard would just stand by? Wargame this out and tell us what you think should happen.

Our problems are political in nature. The military is not like prince charming coming to the rescue.

spat · Mar 5, 2021

dsdmmat said:
when does the country become a banana republic, when 25% don’t trust the results, 50%, 75%? Remember in 2016 50% of the country thought the election was stolen by Trump. So who is appointed to make the decision? When do we cross the line and who decides the military needs to take action?

It's a great question. I'm not sure, but I know we're either very close or across that line.

What do you think the difference is ?

dsdmmat · Mar 5, 2021

spat said:
It's a great question. I'm not sure, but I know we're either very close or across that line.

What do you think the difference is ?

Realistically Until the American government is seen and proves itself to be an enemy of the people, the country will continue to be the beacon of freedom for the world and we will see people trying to get in and not flee.

People flee from banana republics.

libertysnake · Mar 5, 2021

dsdmmat said:
The problem you have is, “identifying who the domestic enemies are.“ Are they the people you don’t like or are they the people AOC doesn’t like?

The current crop of government officials has been legally sworn in and properly certified by the Congress. Who do you want the military to take action against?

Politics is a messy game. This is why the Military stays out of things. If the current president was not certified the winner by congress and legally sworn in then assumed power, you would have a legitimate concern. As of now everyone in power has been legally determined to be the winner and has been rightfully sworn in. The military has no basis to take action.

The problem with a representative democracy is people vote for elected officials at all levels and if they don’t demand those representatives do their jobs properly, they get the government they deserve.

I keep crowing about civil action, and all I get are crickets or "you can't stop what's coming" over, and over, again. Politics has always been a struggle of sides, and we need to start participating.

We're at an interesting moment in NYS in which Cuomo is finally unpopular on both sides. That can be exploited to our advantage, if we only stop thinking in terms of conspiracy theories and taking the race / #metoo bait, and start focusing on what matters.

ArmedCorgi · Mar 5, 2021

dsdmmat said:
The current crop of government officials has been legally sworn in and properly certified by the Congress. Who do you want the military to take action against?

I think it should be pretty obvious who the bad actors are by now. I don't even think the liberals realize what the people they voted for are doing to the country. I would say that they are the ones who don't know what they are asking for. Perhaps the people selling this country out to foreign countries and actively promoting ideals and legislation to strip the people of the Constitutional rights and power over who gets elected. Maybe those people. At some point you have to make the distinction and that distinction is not protected by the first amendment. If we we aren't going to commit and define what an enemy of the state is then what are we all bitching about on here? Nope, I was wrong, Cuomo is a true American. He didn't commit any wrong doing and everything he does is to uphold the constitution, right? The same can be said about Biden and the rest of the dems in congress. They are completely in the right for wanting to pass legislation that violates and negates the bill of rights and our voting system. What was I thinking? There is nothing wrong with them making an unabashed power grab to subvert our republic and enslave us to their every whim. As long as we can put lipstick on it and call it a democratic process and *cough* a republic, it doesn't matter how big the boot on our throat is.

GOPerfect · Mar 5, 2021

I am necessarily against a Military intervention. But, like pointed out a few posts up, who would they act upon? Who would they go after? Who is right and who is wrong?

Yeah, I know, from my standpoint who is right and the ones that are wrong.

A group of us at work were talking last night and similar was brought up, a couple of lefties in the group were saying that the vast majority of the elected elite on the Right should be taken out due to their actions as of late. I asked for examples and they gave me some. I did not agree with their assertions or their examples, but for every one on our "side", there is one on their "side".

I hate the direction that we are headed. I despise the vast majority of the elites in elected offices, what exactly have they done to force military removal?

GOPerfect · Mar 5, 2021

Chicken Shoot said:
The Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution clearly lay out what is SUPPOSE to happen should a corrupt govt be in place. The military is to remove the govt and the people start a new govt. How the military removes them would certainly depend on what kind of resistance they would encounter, correct? Yes ... all members of the govt in all branches would have to be removed. What do you mean who would run the country?? Americans!! If the military refuses to remove a corrupt, anti-American govt, then it is the right AND the duty of American Citizens to remove that govt. That's how it's written. I think the govt is scared to hell that those instructions exist and it's the reason they want you disarmed and a slave!! It's the reason kids are not taught history. It's the reason they aren't taught they have rights, freedom and liberty because you can't lose what you didn't know you had.

Okay CS, I am really picking up what you are putting down, you are not asking for one side or the other to be removed, you want them all removed, clean the slate and begin again.

This, I may need to think a bit deeper on all of this.

Is this to be done, only on the Federal level? State, county, city and local governements as well?

Criticalt · Mar 5, 2021

Recently the military top brass have been instructed to find the "right wing extremists" among the ranks.
We all know wht that means and how they define "right wing extremists"...... thats us, America loving, gun owning patriots. Read down a bit.

Opinion | Why one of the U.S. military's scarier threats is coming from within its ranks

The growth of right-wing groups and their ability to infiltrate the U.S. military is unquestionably a significant threat.

www.nbcnews.com

spat · Mar 5, 2021

GOPerfect said:
I am necessarily against a Military intervention. But, like pointed out a few posts up, who would they act upon? Who would they go after? Who is right and who is wrong?

Yeah, I know, from my standpoint who is right and the ones that are wrong.

A group of us at work were talking last night and similar was brought up, a couple of lefties in the group were saying that the vast majority of the elected elite on the Right should be taken out due to their actions as of late. I asked for examples and they gave me some. I did not agree with their assertions or their examples, but for every one on our "side", there is one on their "side".

I hate the direction that we are headed. I despise the vast majority of the elites in elected offices, what exactly have they done to force military removal?

People spend too much time trying to sort out who are the good guys and who are the bad guys and how do you tell them apart.

I'll give you a hint, the side that wins are the good guys. 100% of the time. They are the ones who write the history.

How do you think Washington and Jefferson would be remembered if the revolution had failed ?

No, I don't worry about trying to "be better than" the left. This is a war against an existential threat, sportsmanship doesn't count. It doesn't matter one bit how you play the game, *only* that you win.

So, what kind of world do you want to live in ? One built on traditional American values , or one built on the ChiCom model ? That is the only thing that matters.

GOPerfect · Mar 5, 2021

Chicken Shoot said:
You cannot think of any crimes against this republic and/or it's people that would qualify as "corrupt"? Are you saying that you can't tell the difference between right and wrong? Is it really that hard to see that our govt officials are NOT upholding nor protecting the very document that is SUPPOSE to limit their powers and reserves OUR power over them? They work for us. Think about what would happen to you if you dictated to your boss what THEY were going to do and HOW they were going to do it and how much they were to pay you and that you were taking money from the business account to give "aid" to __________. Go ahead and tell your boss that you get better heathcare and that you are only working for 4 months and when you come back, you're giving yourself a raise!! Then I'm sure the boss would love to hear about your new "business conduct" rules that state THEY are to wear this and not do that and no you can't gather with friends and family for the rest of their lives. Need me to stop now or shall I keep going? Think your boss might fire you? Possibly?? That is EXACTLY what this govt is doing to THEIR BOSS!! The American people!! Notice how this govt does everything for ILLEGALS and NOTHING for the citizens? Hell ..... only 25,000 illegals were released into southern Texas. Does the fact that democraps LOVE illegals and protect them not show you that democraps LOVE doing things ILLEGALLY??

My issue, me personally, I am not smart enough to be able to lay out the facts and the laws.

I have feelings, and my personal thoughts. I can research laws, that is easy. But to understand all of them, to be able for me to come up with charges that would stick? No, I am not that smart. If I were, I would not be a cop. I would be doing much better things in life.

Our system of laws and our courts are so corrupt, one cannot make heads or tails of the laws or court decisions.

GOPerfect · Mar 5, 2021

Chicken Shoot said:
Is this NOT evidence that the socialists are STEALING our military and discriminating against those that have a different political belief? Again .. another show that this govt is an occupying govt here in the name of some other country and a socialist/communist one at that.

I see it this way as well. I am glad I retired when I did.

I have a question ... or two ...

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