Town Of Milan , Traffic Stop Leads To Gun Arrest ?

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The 2nd Amendment makes enforcing any of these laws a criminal violation of the victims civil rights. Ignorance (willful or otherwise) of that fact is no excuse.

"Hey, I just drove the train/guarded the gate, I never killed any Jews" is not an excuse either.

"I would have been fired if I let any of them get away" is not either.

"She should have sat in the back of the bus, it's the law, she had that beat down coming"

"Well, they were breaking the law even if they weren't hurting , so it's

Before you criticise someone who is just visiting the state for not knowing every nuance of the byzantine NYS law related to firearm ownership and possession, perhaps you should be reminded of the fact that none of them are valid, and no amount of pomp and circumstance, no number of legal "opinions" or anything short of a constitutional ammendment can change that.

Oh, I recommend following every one to the letter, for the same reason I recommend giving your wallet to a mugger with a gun.

Every time I read one of these stories about some guy getting arrested for possession, I see another headline that reads "man kidnapped by the state". Everytime I see someone say "he wouldn't have gotten in trouble if he followed the law" I see "If he'd just given the mugger his wallet he wouldn't have been harmed".

All of you who are going to say "but this is different, because paperwork, and votes of people in NYC who don't even know the name of the guy they are voting for, and guys in robes said so", are not convincing.
 
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Willjr75 said:
Whether one state or two has permit to possess is not the point anyway. The point is if the motorist did not flat out admit to having a pistol without being asked or had it visible, then the cop who pulled him over is an anti 2A "Jackboot" who illegally asked him if he had one.

That cannot be disputed.

Double edged swords are illegal too yet NY cops aren't looking for them.
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This was part of the point I was trying to make a few pages ago. Here we have multiple pages of argument as to whether NY State is the only F'd up state. It is not. The problem is that this poor clown (the driver) is gonna get jacked up on this. I guess according to some here he will get what he deserves (because he doesn't spend countless hours mapping out the laws on all the states and localities that he happens to travel through or piss in (when he stops to take a break). It's incredible to me that a) any of us here thinks this is acceptable and b) people post to defend it.

I can't tell you how many people at my gun club are amazed when I tell them the process of getting a hand gun in a free state. They think the convoluted, statist process here in NY is 'normal'.
 
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Willjr75 said:
2 things. NY is the only state that requires a permit to possess. The other states mentioned require a permit to purchase but not too possess.

As far as who's fault this is.... It's the carrier's fault for not checking the laws. That is certain with no doubt. But you also have to blame the cop for looking for it.

There are cops out there who will not search a magazine for the eleventh round unless an arrest was made for something else and they have no choice but to. In this case, unless the guy admitted to having the pistol without being asked, the cop was looking for it and is against the 2A in my book.

If no other crimes where committed and the motorist made no admission without being asked that he had a pistol, the cop should have written the traffic summons and sent the guy on his way.

Tell me I'm wrong.
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@Trauma47645 is gonna definitely like this post!
 
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Just to be clear, I'm not saying all NY cops are "Jack Boots." Of the 4 or 5 times I have been stopped, I've never been asked once about weapons. I either got a break or a ticket.

It's that 10 percent though. This guy ran into one of those.
 
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GOPerfect said:
But you weren't! You were wrong in what you posted.
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I was correct in what I posted.. no other state requires a permit for possession.. you can even rent a pistol in NJ / Mass / Illinois as a non resident without a permit..

no such luck here in NY..

The only exception is a 48 hour window if you are competing in a sanctioned event in NY..
 
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This is exactly why national reciprocity is needed. The handgun laws are too vast for a common person to keep track of. Sure, people like us are pretty informed because we keep up on things, but most people are busy living their lives and not as passionate about the 2a as we are.

Sounds like he screwed up with the trailer. He was probably just following a gps. Ive gone on a road where trailers are not permitted myself years ago. I was out of state towing a motorcycle, and i had no idea until i got pulled over. And the cop let me go.

Its absurd that its illegal for someone that is legal in their home state to own a handgun get arrested in another state.
 
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Celt said:
This is exactly why national reciprocity is needed. The handgun laws are too vast for a common person to keep track of. Sure, people like us are pretty informed because we keep up on things, but most people are busy living their lives and not as passionate about the 2a as we are.

Sounds like he screwed up with the trailer. He was probably just following a gps. Ive gone on a road where trailers are not permitted myself years ago. I was out of state towing a motorcycle, and i had no idea until i got pulled over. And the cop let me go.

Its absurd that its illegal for someone that is legal in their home state to own a handgun get arrested in another state.
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Exactly! But we don't have reciprocity yet!!
 
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