Deal reached to legalize marijuana in NYS for recreational use (merged threads)
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BerettaGuy
.308 Win
They are not legalizing anything, They are re-regulating it. As a Pistol License Holder, I am warning you now. Do not partake from a dispensary. They will use that to yank your license.
Hillbilly77
6.5 Creedmoor
If you do, do it off the grid. You don't want it being tied to a 4473 or pistol license process
drowhawk
.44 mag
Most states that have legalized have allowed cash sales.
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Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I’m not up for legalizing it but that is another point. Legalization is a complete fallacy since they are only legalizing 3 oz. it’s either legal or it’s not why have a limit?
The bill will reportedly create a new regulator for cannabis products, as well as decriminalize possession up to three ounces.
The bill will reportedly create a new regulator for cannabis products, as well as decriminalize possession up to three ounces.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Report: NY lawmakers reach deal on recreational pot
A deal to legalize recreational cannabis in New York has been reached according to Bloomberg.
www.whec.com
" According to Senate Finance Committee Chair Liz Krueger (D, 28), the deal that legislative leaders brokered with Gov. Andrew Cuomo would tax recreational marijuana sales at 13%, with 9% going to the state and 4% to localities, and distributors collecting an excise tax of as much as 3 cents per milligram of THC. "
how the hell are you going to measure that THC .. ??? if you just go by the plant flower weight that would be like 850 bucks for 1 ounce
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
NY is the first state that will do this and end up losing $. I'm sure they thought the whole thing through. Low income individuals will get an additional stipend to cover their consumption, other taxes will go up because revenue didn't meet budget projections, and street level sales and associated crime will continue to rise. Oh yeah, it will be mandatory to sanitize your joint before passing it to a friend, and cough into your mask to prevent the spread.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
If you look all states that have done it make very little off of it. When all factors and costs are in it hardly seems worth it. Shit were already in the hole millions on it. We’ve been fighting about it for how long, now we will develop laws/policies for it, a licensing scheme, over sight, a tax structure. No one thinks of all these costs. Then we will send inspectors and auditors and spend money there and many other places. Police will need weed breathalyzers, increased jail and court costs. The costs will add up.
Bigfoot
.577 Tyrannosaur.
TL;DR - So many questions... Have the NY politicians thought this through?
Or are they just seeing the tax $$$? Will the NY politicians just create another
cluster fuck as they always do?
Off the top of my head...
1.) Will a person need a "card" or something similar that is "registered to an individual" to purchase weed from a dispensary?
2.) I suppose growing their own weed will still be illegal. I figure because of *tax evasion* reasons, just like someone distilling their own liquor.
Same thing with getting weed the way people have always got their weed, through their personal connection(s). So my question is, if the weed is in a container of some sort "without a tax stamp" like there is on a pack of taxed cigarettes for an example. Is the weed still legal in that case or would a person be charged with tax evasion? If they do get charged with something, is weed REALLY legal?
3.) I buy my cigarettes and fuel at the Indian reservation that I live next to. I do that to avoid paying the crazy high NY taxes on cigarettes. It's legal to possess 399 *untaxed cigarettes.*
399 cigarettes equals 1 cigarette short of 20 packs or 2 cartons. Of course any packs of cigarettes purchased from the Indian reservation do not have a tax stamp on them.
The same thing as if a weed smoker would not have a tax stamp if he got his weed from his personal connection. But I suppose that someone could just put their untaxed weed in a previously used container that already has a tax stamp on it... Hey look, a loophole... LOL
4.) How will the Indian reservations come into play? Being that they don't tax things.
How will the state handle that? Will the state allow weed dispensaries on the reservations?
If not, would the Indian reservations have the ability to contest that in a court?
5.) So many questions... Has the state politicians thought about all of the the different things involved? Or are they going to do this like they do everything else and create yet another cluster fuck.
6.) Will weed REALLY be legal? Or only legal if the "big guy" gets his cut of the money.
I pretty much know all of the answers to these questions.
I'm just thinking out loud. But there are a lot of questions nonetheless.
I know people that smoke weed. They say that they will just keep on getting weed the way that they always have. They will do that to remain the gray man and avoid paying any additional taxes in a state where people are already paying way to much tax on everything else.
For a reference point about paying to much tax... 1 carton of *untaxed* cigarettes from the Indian reservation will cost somewhere between $15 to $25 depending on the brand. A carton of *taxed* cigarettes off the reservation costs between $100 to $120 or more.
Obviously gun owners have to be careful when it comes to the dispensary thing. It would be best to avoid that route if smoking weed is your thing... IMO
Or are they just seeing the tax $$$? Will the NY politicians just create another
cluster fuck as they always do?
Off the top of my head...
1.) Will a person need a "card" or something similar that is "registered to an individual" to purchase weed from a dispensary?
2.) I suppose growing their own weed will still be illegal. I figure because of *tax evasion* reasons, just like someone distilling their own liquor.
Same thing with getting weed the way people have always got their weed, through their personal connection(s). So my question is, if the weed is in a container of some sort "without a tax stamp" like there is on a pack of taxed cigarettes for an example. Is the weed still legal in that case or would a person be charged with tax evasion? If they do get charged with something, is weed REALLY legal?
3.) I buy my cigarettes and fuel at the Indian reservation that I live next to. I do that to avoid paying the crazy high NY taxes on cigarettes. It's legal to possess 399 *untaxed cigarettes.*
399 cigarettes equals 1 cigarette short of 20 packs or 2 cartons. Of course any packs of cigarettes purchased from the Indian reservation do not have a tax stamp on them.
The same thing as if a weed smoker would not have a tax stamp if he got his weed from his personal connection. But I suppose that someone could just put their untaxed weed in a previously used container that already has a tax stamp on it... Hey look, a loophole... LOL
4.) How will the Indian reservations come into play? Being that they don't tax things.
How will the state handle that? Will the state allow weed dispensaries on the reservations?
If not, would the Indian reservations have the ability to contest that in a court?
5.) So many questions... Has the state politicians thought about all of the the different things involved? Or are they going to do this like they do everything else and create yet another cluster fuck.
6.) Will weed REALLY be legal? Or only legal if the "big guy" gets his cut of the money.
I pretty much know all of the answers to these questions.
I'm just thinking out loud. But there are a lot of questions nonetheless.
I know people that smoke weed. They say that they will just keep on getting weed the way that they always have. They will do that to remain the gray man and avoid paying any additional taxes in a state where people are already paying way to much tax on everything else.
For a reference point about paying to much tax... 1 carton of *untaxed* cigarettes from the Indian reservation will cost somewhere between $15 to $25 depending on the brand. A carton of *taxed* cigarettes off the reservation costs between $100 to $120 or more.
Obviously gun owners have to be careful when it comes to the dispensary thing. It would be best to avoid that route if smoking weed is your thing... IMO
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TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
I think they had revenue from this in last years budget, and by not passing, it became part of the deficit.
Cuomo has been saving this one for a tough election year.
Bigfoot
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Didn't Cuomo do this before? Then he reneged on legalizing it.
That may not be the case IDK. But for some reason, it sounds familiar.
I might be thinking of someone else.
That may not be the case IDK. But for some reason, it sounds familiar.
I might be thinking of someone else.
Modean
.223 Rem
Take into account the costs associated with locking people up for a plant. I have no doubt that changes the equation significantly.
At one time gambling (numbers, etc) and drug use were illegal and "Gangbusters" fighting those evils was a popular radio program. Since then the state has taken over the organized crime and taxes it for its own benefit. Today, government is organized crime. Evolution?
drowhawk
.44 mag
Organized crime prospers in a black market. Legalize said <taboo activity here> and the crime syndicates no longer have funding. Legalize all drugs, open the borders, and legalize prostitution. The Mexican cartels will go extinct in less than a year and the sex trafficking trade will all but disappear.
Modean
.223 Rem
Ever heard of Prohibition and what went on while it was in effect?
drowhawk
.44 mag
Oh right.....
I forgot how well alcohol prohibition worked in the '20's.
OwnTheRide
6.5 Creedmoor
I think you're looking at this the wrong way. This is an issue of freedom, not whether or not it is profitable for the state.
drowhawk
.44 mag
Absolutely. We talk a lot about endless wars on here and the impact they have on the American taxpayer. The longest running war in history (and the one we've also lost the worst at) is the war on drugs.
Do you not believe people have a right to do as they please with their body? Including (but not limited to) prostitution and drug consumption? If you are against individual autonomy, why own a firearm?
Nope. Not all of the time. In today's current societal structure, We the People are on the hook for the personal choices of others.
As long as I, as a payer of taxes, need to be forced to care for these personal choices, I against your notion of full personal choices.
Owning a firearm is not even in the same realm as drug use and whores.
Making drugs illegal doesn't really do anything productive. It's a feel good measure, the same way that banning guns etc. doesn't really do anything productive.
Good thing drugs are banned, that way nobody has them.... Oh, wait...
All these drug laws do is incarcerate people for them doing what they want to their own bodies. About the only drug law I support is no selling to minors under severe penalty, mainly for the reason that minors are under custodial care of a parent because they aren't yet prepared to make major decisions. Outside of that I don't care if you want to mainline heroin and die in 2 years from it. Just don't come crawling to me when you fuck yourself up with drugs, but I still think you should be free to make that choice.
Good thing drugs are banned, that way nobody has them.... Oh, wait...
All these drug laws do is incarcerate people for them doing what they want to their own bodies. About the only drug law I support is no selling to minors under severe penalty, mainly for the reason that minors are under custodial care of a parent because they aren't yet prepared to make major decisions. Outside of that I don't care if you want to mainline heroin and die in 2 years from it. Just don't come crawling to me when you fuck yourself up with drugs, but I still think you should be free to make that choice.
I would love to see these junkies OD. But the issue is...
Society interferes all of the time. We save these people from their choices. We spend billions and billions of dollars each and every year to save them. When all of the saving ends, then I will support full legalization of this garbage!
drowhawk
.44 mag
Well homeboy who just shot up the supermarket in CO is costing taxpayers a lot. With that logic, I would think you support an AW ban. Other's poor personal choices with AR-15's sure costs a lot of taxpayer energy and money.
Says who? LOL
Your analogies and examples make no sense at all.
I try to engage in real conversations with you, I do think you are capable.
Sorry
drowhawk
.44 mag
Same here.
Your line of thinking requires an assumption that drug consumption will increase because they are made legal.
The reality is that states with legal MJ actually have LESS minors consuming it.
I agree we spend way too much on trying to save addicts when the relapse occurrence is so high. Here's what you have to realize: those costs don't magically disappear because you make drugs illegal. If anything, they go up because in ADDITION to caring for these people medically, now we have the burden on the criminal justice system.
I get what you're saying, I do. I just don't think there is any empirical data to support your argument at this time. In fact there is an abundance of data that contradicts your stance.
drowhawk
.44 mag
Post #23: "As long as I, as a payer of taxes, need to be forced to care for these personal choices, I against your notion of full personal choices."
I, the payer of taxers, am forced to care for these personal choices (mass shootings), therefore I am against full personal choices.
Drugs are not the only thing someone can do in order to create a burden on society. You can commit a mass shooting, rob a bank, rape an innocent person, scam people, etc... There are plenty of things as a result of "personal choice" that create a burden on society. Where do you draw the line? At what point are we obligated to actually make data-driven decisions instead of emotionally-driven ones?