holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Im not saying it cant happen, I know there are cases where it has, but . putting your self in danger is stupid.
Virginia cops pepper-sprayed Black and Latino Army officer who had hands raised during traffic stop, video shows
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Im not saying it cant happen, I know there are cases where it has, but . putting your self in danger is stupid.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
no the one down the hall from that.
Seems kind of wishy washy. I'm going home to my family at night. LT did the right thing in this armed robbery, albeit he went easy on these thugs.
drowhawk
.44 mag
So you admit the orders were contradictory, unclear, and unreasonable. You also admit that by following his contradictory orders, it is plausible that it could have led to his death (reaching for a seatbelt release).
And you still think this guy should have somehow "listened better" and that following their contradictory orders would have somehow mitigated the danger for him. Got it.
Really hope you're not in one of these situations yourself and have to exercise this critical thinking in split seconds. I fear you would make a bad choice.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
going to work . talk to you girls later.
You know that's a compliment to us cross dressers correct?
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
So you admit the orders were contradictory, unclear, and unreasonable. You also admit that by following his contradictory orders, it is plausible that it could have led to his death (reaching for a seatbelt release).
Correct!
And you still think this guy should have somehow "listened better" and that following their contradictory orders would have somehow mitigated the danger for him. Got it.
NO
Really hope you're not in one of these situations yourself and have to exercise this critical thinking in split seconds. I fear you would make a bad choice.
I have, I didnt
Correct!
And you still think this guy should have somehow "listened better" and that following their contradictory orders would have somehow mitigated the danger for him. Got it.
NO
Really hope you're not in one of these situations yourself and have to exercise this critical thinking in split seconds. I fear you would make a bad choice.
I have, I didnt
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Oh God!
spat
.950 JDJ
spat
.950 JDJ
Philando Castile tried to do things your way. He ended up dead.
"Ok officer, I'm getting my wallet from my back pocket as you ordered..."
"Bang, Bang He was reaching for something....."
This Lt is still breathing, so I'm going to say he made the right call.
4WHLDRFTN
.308 Win
no doubt, if his hand(s) disappeared .. he was dead
spat
.950 JDJ
If you turn a missing license plate into a life or death situation, you made a bad choice.
Modean
.223 Rem
Precisely this. A missing plate does not justify a guns drawn response. Both these officers are idiots and should not be cops. How bright were they to do all of this nonsense in full view of body cams?
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I agree the only thing I’ll say is the older cop does admit that traveling slowly to a well lit area is common place and “ok” or acceptable. It’s talked about right in the video then he tried to bribe the LT not to pursue this. He knows he screwed up for sure.
Bully cop personified and no one will ever convince me differently. He deserved to be fired for making a routine stop into a life or death situation. He had zero respect right from the get go. Not fit for the profession for sure. Does not deserve a pension either.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
I agree with most of what your saying.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
No he's lucky to be alive. you go right ahead and do that refuse to get out of your car and then tell me you did the right thing if you survive.
And make sure to tell your kids to never listen to the police if you did nothing wrong. Thats just dumb.
Castile told the officer I have a firearm and reached for ""something"" after the officer told him not to pull it out This is not even close .
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Philando told the officer I have firearm, cop says Ok dont touch it , he then reaches for something after the cop says dont touch it 3 fuckin times.
clean shoot. I would have killed him too. You just made my point that disreguarding an officers order can get you killed, then go on to say how the LT did the right thing. No he didnt,
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
He was told to get out of the car eight times. EIGHT FUCKIN times! in the first minute or two. before another officer told him to put his hands out of the window then told him to get out of the car also ! IF your claiming confusion, your full of shit. it s was clear repeated orders. He told the officers he wasnt getting out . He wasnt confused, he was non compliant . It was stupid .
I dont know why the officer conducted a felony stop on this guy. that information hasnt come out yet. But lets assume the officer believed the car was stolen , maybe he thought it came from a nearby drug house. whatever, Lets assume the officer was fucking drunk on drugs . In any case your chances of survival drop to very low levels if your non compliant. and thats the point I was making . It wasnt in defense of the cops, IT was pointing out that non compliance can get you killed. right or wrong.
when your dead does it matter who was right? Lets say the cop execute's you on the spot for being an asshole. Does it matter ? does your family care why? The point is dont be stupid, cops are human and are just as evil ,and can make mistakes like anyone else. The reality is, a man with gun to your head is giving you orders. not complying, is the stupidest thing anyone can do.
I dont know why the officer conducted a felony stop on this guy. that information hasnt come out yet. But lets assume the officer believed the car was stolen , maybe he thought it came from a nearby drug house. whatever, Lets assume the officer was fucking drunk on drugs . In any case your chances of survival drop to very low levels if your non compliant. and thats the point I was making . It wasnt in defense of the cops, IT was pointing out that non compliance can get you killed. right or wrong.
when your dead does it matter who was right? Lets say the cop execute's you on the spot for being an asshole. Does it matter ? does your family care why? The point is dont be stupid, cops are human and are just as evil ,and can make mistakes like anyone else. The reality is, a man with gun to your head is giving you orders. not complying, is the stupidest thing anyone can do.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Perfect example of another brain surgeon resisting arrest
Graphic: Body camera video shows deadly shooting of Daunte Wright - YouTube
MR. I didnt do nuffin decides hes going to resist arrest and flee. Retard cop kills him by mistake. You win Daunte! you were innocent! Have a nice afterlife moron.
Great advice . Cop was wrong, changes nothing. Your dead because your to stupid to understand whats happening.
Graphic: Body camera video shows deadly shooting of Daunte Wright - YouTube
MR. I didnt do nuffin decides hes going to resist arrest and flee. Retard cop kills him by mistake. You win Daunte! you were innocent! Have a nice afterlife moron.
Great advice . Cop was wrong, changes nothing. Your dead because your to stupid to understand whats happening.
I posted an entire thread on this one...
"The town of Windsor said in a statement Monday that officials “are taking actions to rebuild the public’s trust” and the police chief continues to implement training in line with state standards.
“Our goal is to always ensure transparency of our practices and procedures; we will provide information as possible, and as allowed, during the investigation,” the statement said.
Windsor officials said Sunday that department policy wasn’t followed and one of the officers, Joe Gutierrez, has since been fired."
Imo, just a matter of time before officer Cocker is fired too.
“Our goal is to always ensure transparency of our practices and procedures; we will provide information as possible, and as allowed, during the investigation,” the statement said.
Windsor officials said Sunday that department policy wasn’t followed and one of the officers, Joe Gutierrez, has since been fired."
Imo, just a matter of time before officer Cocker is fired too.
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spat
.950 JDJ
If you're going to kill someone because they sat there not moving then you're part of the problem.
Period.
IDGAF how important you think you are, that's murder and you should hang for it.
spat
.950 JDJ
Cop told Philando to get his ID, then shot him for reaching for his wallet.
So, once again, how do you "just follow orders" when you are given impossible conflicting orders ?
"keep your hands where I can see them and pull your wallet out of your back pocket".
Philando tried to follow them and ended up dead.
This guy said "most important thing is don't give them an excuse to shoot" and he's still breathing. If he had tried to follow those orders he'd probably be dead.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
"spat,
If you're going to kill someone because they sat there not moving then you're part of the problem.
Period.
IDGAF how important you think you are, that's murder and you should hang for it.
Doesnt matter your dead. I go to jail. you win? How about do what what your fucking told because your life may depend upon it? whether the cop is an angel or a devil doesnt change the fact that you died because you didnt listen.
This is not a ""my authority"" problem, this is a safety issue.. The person your dealing with has the legal authority to take your life.
Does it matter to George Floyd weather Chavin is innocent or guilty? Do you think George gives a shit? Lets say officer Chauvin is guilty as sin. so what? Floyds dead. Hes dead because he choose to resist . Chauvin may be guilty of murder . doesnt matter one bit to George does it.
The point you keep missing isnt that Im defending the police, Im not . Its recognizing that your in great danger when you resist. guilty or innocent Your just as dead.
Time after time after time, I can show you video after video of people who were shot, killed, beaten, because they choose to resist.
The reason for this is clear as day. The officers are trained to use force against non compliant people. And thier job mandates it. That is an irrefutable fact of life. If verbal commands dont work they go to the next level .
In this case the asshole refused verbal commands several times to leave his car. Told the officer he wasnt getting out which means he understood the orders, and then he was pepper sprayed. No problem . Or maybe the officers should just keep asking? after being sprayed,The officers told him to take his seatbelt off and get out of the car. which he did. He was'nt confused about the order . he complied. Once he complied the use of force was no longer necessary.
If you're going to kill someone because they sat there not moving then you're part of the problem.
Period.
IDGAF how important you think you are, that's murder and you should hang for it.
Doesnt matter your dead. I go to jail. you win? How about do what what your fucking told because your life may depend upon it? whether the cop is an angel or a devil doesnt change the fact that you died because you didnt listen.
This is not a ""my authority"" problem, this is a safety issue.. The person your dealing with has the legal authority to take your life.
Does it matter to George Floyd weather Chavin is innocent or guilty? Do you think George gives a shit? Lets say officer Chauvin is guilty as sin. so what? Floyds dead. Hes dead because he choose to resist . Chauvin may be guilty of murder . doesnt matter one bit to George does it.
The point you keep missing isnt that Im defending the police, Im not . Its recognizing that your in great danger when you resist. guilty or innocent Your just as dead.
Time after time after time, I can show you video after video of people who were shot, killed, beaten, because they choose to resist.
The reason for this is clear as day. The officers are trained to use force against non compliant people. And thier job mandates it. That is an irrefutable fact of life. If verbal commands dont work they go to the next level .
In this case the asshole refused verbal commands several times to leave his car. Told the officer he wasnt getting out which means he understood the orders, and then he was pepper sprayed. No problem . Or maybe the officers should just keep asking? after being sprayed,The officers told him to take his seatbelt off and get out of the car. which he did. He was'nt confused about the order . he complied. Once he complied the use of force was no longer necessary.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Cop told him to not touch his gun . watch the video again.
spat
.950 JDJ
No cop has any more legal authority to take someones life than I do.
The *only* justification you are allowed for deadly force is fear of death or serious injury. Same standard as the rest of us.
You are afforded more authority to use non deadly force, but you are not permitted to shoot someone just for failure to obey.
So, while your advice of "just follow orders" makes sense most of the time, my advice to the cops "don't shoot unless you *actually* believe a life is in danger" is probably much better.
Your goal is to go home to your family at night, right ?
Well guess who doesn't get to go home at night ? Officers who go to prison for illegal use or force.
There are a lot of instances where you used to get away with stuff, but not any more. Especially if the guy you are dealing with has the right skin color.
So, is that missing license plate really worth risking your freedom over ?
How bad will it really affect your life if the guy just sits there ?
I bet these cops really wished they had just asked for his license and registration and said "have a good day" right now.
spat
.950 JDJ
He didn't touch his gun, or even try.
Cop told him to get his wallet. Which he did.
Cop shot him for it.
spat
.950 JDJ
So, you shoot me for not following your orders, I'm dead, you're in jail, and you think *you* won ?
We both lost. There are no winners in that scenerio.
The difference is that the cop created it.
If you're going to kill people for not following your orders, you better make sure you don't issue orders that aren't worth killing someone over.
I do not think any traffic violation or clerical issue would qualify.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
No, of course not. Im pointing out the dangers that resisting arrest has. Right or wrong. Maybe the cop is a killer, maybe he misjudged an action, maybe poor training whatever, the point is, there is a very real chance you can get killed.
Call it what you want, that is the reality of it. Your putting your life into the hands of a stranger who may or may not be good person, trained person , a person who is going on 16th hours of no sleep and his judgment is clouded whatever. A cop makes a mistake and your dead. you do something stupid, your dead. That woman that shot that kid the other day for example. shes an idiot, but thats not getting that kids life back . it was a mistake , and it cost that kid his life. He put himself into that situation. His choice to play gangster and run away from probably a minor charge ..
He should not have been killed. but it happened. It happened because he resisted . Look at the guy selling cigarettes'in NJ a few years ago. resisted arrested and died in the struggle . For what?
Better to fight them in court than in the street. No good thing ever came from resisting arrest.