A cop shooting in Brooklyn Park, Minnesota---- More riots and more shootings.

[Toecutter]

I'd say no as thats your personal property, and people would probably try to run before it got to that point. That's just my thoughts on it.

I figure your giving him you license, maybe even a firearm if you tell him you have one. What's a set of keys. I know people may flee after the officer runs his ID and finds out he has a warrant.

If he runs plates and there's a warrant, before he approaches, drop the keys out the window or place them on the roof. We all have seen cops get dragged , and people get shot just safer to take the car out of the equation.

 

[Toecutter]

I went to our qualification range two weeks ago. It really amazes me how many only train on qual day. There were people there laughing about how their guns haven't been out of their holsters since last qual day.

This is how mistakes and errors are made.

Yeah its huge problem, I'd say 90 percent of police I know only shoot on qualification day, including family. I do get at them about it. But everyone is always too busy.

I always find it funny when people say cops are trained more than ccw holders . I've heard many stories about police struggling to qualify especially with the NYC triggers, a lot of us gun owners enjoy shooting we do it not only for defense but for a hobby.

 

[Blimey]

Not the first time a cop has done this. It’s a risk of having two devices with similar feel that do dissimilar things.

Has nothing to do with race.

As usual 99% of these cases involve a suspect acting like a complete twat. My sympathy for people resisting arrest when the arrest is legitimate is very, very close to 0.

 

[Phazer]

Yeah its huge problem, I'd say 90 percent of police I know only shoot on qualification day, including family.

I have taken several training courses through OFT where LEOs were also taking the courses as students. I asked the officers if they had received the training offered in the course when they were in the academy. All of them said, "No."

The officers that show up at courses are usually very adept with their pistols. However, at several courses, I observed a few LEOs exhibit pistol accuracy that was at best beginner level. They needed a lot of practice and instruction. I hope that they get it.

 

[fresch]

I know a xcop, got better pay, but right after he graduated was showing me his new gun, I had to keep telling him to stop pointing the fing thing at me or I would shoot him before he shoots me. He put it away. Then we had a long, gun handling talk, basically found out the city of Syracuse was very poor at training.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

Gross understatement- very unfortunate incident.

Running from the cops for...a speeding ticket? Failure to signal? Headlight out? What's the point? You've gone from a ticket to an arrest. Where you going? Nowhere fast.

Outstanding warrant? Man up, face the charges, and put it behind you.

Now he's dead. Pointless.

 

[FRB]

hmmmm...... looks like the lady cop will be charged for her gross negligence:

 

[FRB]

Kimberly Potter, cop in Daunte Wright shooting, to be charged: report

The Minnesota cop who shot and killed Daunte Wright could be criminally charged as soon as tomorrow, according to a report. Kimberly Potter, 48, who resigned Tuesday over the fatal shooting of 20-y…

nypost.com

 

[Grimscale]

We need a third great awakening in America or we are doomed to way more madness.

So your answer to madness is more madness?
Your answer to political oppression is religious oppression?

how is religious zealotry and forcing your sky fairy on everyone going to make one bit of difference? You can't even get your own believers to not break the rules.

And, while you're deciding to force religion on everyone, which religion is going to be chosen? Yours?
What of the hundreds, if not thousands, of other religions in the world?

Opening the door to religious theocracy as the basis of a nation means you do not get to complain when your religion is subjugated under someone else's.
You want a "Christian Nation", well, don't be surprised when it is suddenly a "Muslim Nation" in ten years (or less).

Or you could, you know, actually abide by the Amendments to the Constitution. Specifically the first one, for those who seem to like reading the Bill of Rights from the bottom and stopped on 2.

 

[FRB]

Or you could, you know, actually abide by the Amendments to the Constitution. Specifically the first one, for those who seem to like reading the Bill of Rights from the bottom and stopped on 2.

Of said Amendment you would NOT HAVE, if it was not for the Baptists...... yep an awakening is much needed if you think I am talking about religion.

 

[Celt]

hmmmm...... looks like the lady cop will be charged for her gross negligence:

She does need to be held accountable for her mistake, and it just goes to show that one bad decision can ruin your life. Its times like these that make me glad I didnt get into LE.

 

[holdover]

Thing is, if the guy didnt resist arrest the cop would not have made that mistake . resisting arrest is the most frequent common denominator in police shootings . and some times the cops screw up .

 

[GOPerfect]

anyone know what the outstanding warrant was for?

Warrant was in regards to missing court on a gun charge.

 

[speedkills27]

Warrant was in regards to missing court on a gun charge.

Thanks! I ended up finding that info after my post, later on that day. Looks like he may have had a burglary charge too. Hard to know what media source to trust anymore

 

[Blimey]

Cop just charged with second degree manslaughter.

Here is second degree manslaughter: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.205

INAL but I don't see how the prosecution has any chance on that charge. (1) is the only thing they can possibly get her on. She did create an unreasonable risk, inadvertently, but she absolutely did not consciously take chances of causing death because, as established, she believed it was a tazer, and that would be consistent with training and procedure.

 

[GOPerfect]

]

Cop just charged with second degree manslaughter.

Here is second degree manslaughter: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.205

INAL but I don't see how the prosecution has any chance on that charge. (1) is the only thing they can possibly get her on. She did create an unreasonable risk, inadvertently, but she absolutely did not consciously take chances of causing death because, as established, she believed it was a tazer, and that would be consistent with training and procedure.

She cannot be convicted on that charge for the incident. They will amend

 

[spat]

Thing is, if the guy didnt resist arrest the cop would not have made that mistake . resisting arrest is the most frequent common denominator in police shootings . and some times the cops screw up .

Cops interacting with the public is an even more common denominator.

I blame the legislature, but the more cops interact with the public, the more potential there is for this.

Almost all of these incidents start with a cop trying to enforce some BS law that shouldn't exist.

You guys should be hunting thieves and murderers, not chasing down missing license plates and people who were already in custody once and were turned loose because of PC BS.

 

[holdover]

Almost all of these incidents start with a cop trying to enforce some BS law that shouldn't exist.

Sometimes, but in 99% of the cases its resisting arrest which leads to bad outcomes. Resisting arrest can be dangerous, thats all Im trying to say.

whether you think its right or not is irrelevant to that fact. It very much is. Unfortunately, there are parts of society that dont understand that fact or the law or how it works.

Your focusing on the the way the officer made the stop and whether it was valid or not. Fair point.

Im focusing on what escalated the situation beyond where it needed to be. (Resisting, obstruction)

Lets say the cops were dead wrong. in every legal respect. Resisting and obstruction still puts you in danger. And now your in danger by cops who dont know the law,or dont care! Thats even worse!

when the cop told him to exit the car , he should have done so .not because the cop was right . but because it de-escalates the situation.

doesn't matter one bit who is right or wrong at this point. like the Casstillo case you referenced. the cop ""thought"" he was reaching for a weapon. the guy may be 100% innocent and 100 % dead. MY point isnt whether the cops are right, or the motorist is right. my point is resisting or not complying can be dangerous no matter whos right. Its a bad choice .

 

[Darth]

The rioters: animals will do as animals are trained to do. They are taught in the government schools there is no God. Taught that they come from rocks exploding that turned into living slime. Taught that slime turned into animals, that eventually became them. And we wonder why products of the government run schools of today act like animals when pressure is put on them? We taught them that they are animals, that life is meaningless, kill it if you get pregnant if you so desire. Life has no value. Are a boy and feel like you are a girl, become a girl. Are a girl and feel like you are a boy, become a boy. You are a boy and love a boy, go for it, there is no God, it does not matter what some book out there we have banned in the school says about it being an abomination to the Creator God.

Could you give me a brief list of public schools that banned the Bible? Hell, one?

A quick synopsis of exploding rocks and slime?

We are, demonstrably, animals, so what hypothesis do you have to contradict this?

Maybe, get this one, they did all these terrible acts of violence and then asked for forgiveness and accepted Jesus. No sin is unforgivable according to your fairy tale, beyond not accepting Jesus, so they would be going to heaven. Why wouldn't you?

Could you square this up with the fact that the most secular nations tend to have the least crime?

Looking forward to your responses.

 

[Darth]

Of said Amendment you would NOT HAVE, if it was not for the Baptists...... yep an awakening is much needed if you think I am talking about religion.

More than half of your post was a tirade about God. Step off it.

 

[spat]

Sometimes, but in 99% of the cases its resisting arrest which leads to bad outcomes. Resisting arrest can be dangerous, thats all Im trying to say.

whether you think its right or not is irrelevant to that fact. It very much is. Unfortunately, there are parts of society that dont understand that fact or the law or how it works.

Your focusing on the the way the officer made the stop and whether it was valid or not. Fair point.

Im focusing on what escalated the situation beyond where it needed to be. (Resisting, obstruction)

Lets say the cops were dead wrong. in every legal respect. Resisting and obstruction still puts you in danger. And now your in danger by cops who dont know the law,or dont care! Thats even worse!

when the cop told him to exit the car , he should have done so .not because the cop was right . but because it de-escalates the situation.

doesn't matter one bit who is right or wrong at this point. like the Casstillo case you referenced. the cop ""thought"" he was reaching for a weapon. the guy may be 100% innocent and 100 % dead. MY point isnt whether the cops are right, or the motorist is right. my point is resisting or not complying can be dangerous no matter whos right. Its a bad choice .

And my point is that this doesn't work out well for the officer either.

I can't for the life of me understand why you would *want* to pull someone over for a license plate in 2020 ?

Either these officers were really worried about their own lives (risking your life for a license plate ticket, no thanks). Or they were just on a power trip.

Now one is unemployed and a national pariah and the other may be soon as well.

These situations are terrible for everyone involved. The only difference is that the cops are the ones who initiated things.

Way safer and easier for everyone if you just didn't notice the missing plate to begin with....

 

[FRB]

More than half of your post was a tirade about God. Step off it.

The fool has said there is no God. It is a waste of time to talk to an anti God bigot as you have shown yourself to be. Mock all you want, many before you have and after death in hell have lifted up their eyes in torments and begged to get out with no hope, your only hope is now tough guy.

 

[jimc]

hmmmm...... looks like the lady cop will be charged for her gross negligence:

Every taser I've seen is on the weak side, just off center, in a cross draw holster. The butt of this taser is facing the wrong way for that.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Every taser I've seen is on the weak side, just off center, in a cross draw holster. The butt of this taser is facing the wrong way for that.

May be possible that he trains to shoot the tazer with his weak hand. Could be a switch hitter. Or maybe he's lefty and keeps both on his strong side. If they do this, it could be why the woman royally fucked up.

 

[jimc]

May be possible that he trains to shoot the tazer with his weak hand. Could be a switch hitter. Or maybe he's lefty and keeps both on his strong side. If they do this, it could be why the woman royally fucked up.

I also noticed his radio mic is on his right shoulder. I THINK, most have it on their weak side, but I'm definitely not sure about that.

 

[Saltwater60]

By the by, I blame the driver more than I blame the cop that screwed up.

Sure she screwed up but he was getting in the car to leave and possibly run over 2-3 cops. In my opinion she was justified in shooting him. Of course the news said she should have been able to tell the weight difference. Yeah ok.

 

[spat]

Sure she screwed up but he was getting in the car to leave and possibly run over 2-3 cops. In my opinion she was justified in shooting him. Of course the news said she should have been able to tell the weight difference. Yeah ok.

It's quite a stretch from "he might be getting in the car" to a threat of serious bodily injury or death.

I hope you don't think it's OK to shoot people for "he might be getting in the car".

Unless he was fleeing the scene of a major violent felony, deadly force was not justified here.

 

[holdover]

spat
And my point is that this doesn't work out well for the officer either.

I can't for the life of me understand why you would *want* to pull someone over for a license plate in 2020 ?

Because its the law? because its common for criminals to pull thier plates? Because they were doing thier job?


Either these officers were really worried about their own lives (risking your life for a license plate ticket, no thanks). Or they were just on a power trip.


They conducted a felony stop the way they were trained to . However, We have yet to see why they did. They may have been wrong in doing so .


The only difference is that the cops are the ones who initiated things.

Thats thier job. They pulled him over and were attempting to do an on scene investigation when The LT refused to comply with simple orders.


Way safer and easier for everyone if you just didn't notice the missing plate to begin with....

His job is to notice the missing plate, His job is to investigate why the plate was missing .


If the felony stop was not legit then he fucked up big time and needs to lose his job .



But again , your focusing on the procedures of the cops. My focus is on the noncompliant asshole in the car . it was his actions that escalated the stop . Lets say the stop was completely wrong. maybe it was. That isnt what escalated the situation . His refusal to exit the car is what got him pepper sprayed. It could have gotten him shot. The cops were following procedure the way they were trained to . By driving a car without plates, refusing to pull over and exit the car , by refusing to answer basic questions and commands, The man was exhibiting behavior that is consistent with a person on drugs or drunk.

Im not saying the stop was legit . I dont know what the cop was thinking . Im saying the actions of the guy made things far worse than they had to be. Had he followed orders he would have been cuffed until police could sort out what was going on , given a ticket and been on his way.

That doesn't justify the felony stop in any way. It still may have been wrong , and you may be correct on that part. But obstruction , and refuseing to obey a lawfull order is always going to escalate the situation .

Following the use of force continuum , when the person refuses verbal orders and warnings the officers are trained to escalate to the next level , using non lethal devices or physical techniques. Thats the way police officers are trained . These officers followed their training , with the possible exception of the felony stop .

Even if the police are dead wrong with the stop, this guy just made it a lot worse for himself . one mistake on the officers part, and he could have been killed . resisting arrest and obstruction can easily become life threating if the cop misreads your motion to grab keys , wallet, or a cell phone is misinterpreted . How many videos have we seen where this has happened?

 

[repete]

Hmmm..... Confuse a taser from a pistol that a person obviously knows they are carrying, please tell me how that is "an error" vs gross negligence? How could it not be gross negligence?

Tunnel vision, if you've never been in a HIGH stress situation and experienced it first hand there is no way to explain it.

 

[Robin]

I was in a 'free fire zone' thank God.
Robin