Factories struggle to employ workers and compete with fast food restaurants pay

[drowhawk]

run it though cold, I generally force flush the entire system if I can, then run the cleaner. IDK if it really matters if the system is at Temp.

I WOULD flush individual loops if you can, then the whole system just to be safe, but thats you to you. do you have cast iron radiators or baseboard?

Baseboard radiators, all copper stuff, pipes looked decent when I took them apart, only light sludge build up. Water that came out was nice and clear, no smells or anything weird.

When you say force flush, do you mean just hooking up a barb at each of my loops and running city pressure through them? If so, for how long?

IDK if it matters either, it's just what the bottle says. It makes sense it would probably work better when hot though. I just don't know if that's really necessary.

 

[Jmac00]

Baseboard radiators, all copper stuff, pipes looked decent when I took them apart, only light sludge build up. Water that came out was nice and clear, no smells or anything weird.

When you say force flush, do you mean just hooking up a barb at each of my loops and running city pressure through them? If so, for how long?

IDK if it matters either, it's just what the bottle says. It makes sense it would probably work better when hot though. I just don't know if that's really necessary.

yep, force city water through the system, just until it comes out clear and no bubbles. you clear the system and remove most of the air, the Spiro-vent will take care of the rest. If you really wan to clean the system, run the heat for a few days, THEN do a system cleaning/flush. But if you took it apart and everything looked relatively clean, IDK if I would even worry about it.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Why don't you two get a room.

 

[Deplorable Me]

I made the decision to go with Sharkbite at the last minute, as they updated their certifications to reflect approval for hydronic heating sytems. Sharkbite wasn't approved for hydronic systems when I started design. My insurance agent said Sharkbite is covered whether it's exposed, behind a wall, or even underground (with the proper moisture barriers)! Plus the design of sharkbite fittings is not a new thing. It's exactly the same technology used to connect brake air lines on heavy trucks. I figured if DOT trusts them on big rigs, they'll probably be good enough for my house.

I'm not knocking pro press at all either; I probably would have been going that route if it wasn't for the recent changes in Sharkbite's approval for use in hydronic systems.

I did not know about the certification upgrade. That's good. I may add them to my emergency supplies along with all my other stuff.

 

[Defilade]

I'm thinking existing employees better be treated like gold in this situation. There are many jobs out there and other employers are willing to pay all the more.

 

[Saltwater60]

@Saltwater60, As long as you bid the job for the work you have to do you shouldn't feel bad. I do realize some jobs have issues that may not be evident initially but a knowledgeable estimator can account for that.

Some guys give quotes based on work that needs to be done and then pad it up if it looks like the money is there. Crappy way to do business IMO.

I really just didn’t want to do the job to start with honestly. I was working at his brothers house down the street and he just stopped by and asked me. The job went much better and faster than planned but still doesn’t make it an easy job. I quoted $400 and it took 3-3.5 hours to complete the task. Oh well.
He said wow you finished faster than I thought. I said yeah with two guys it went a little faster than I planned as well but you would have never completed it without two guys. He was fine but my partner is friends with his brother so I feel a bit bad. Oh well.

 

[Saltwater60]

I'm thinking existing employees better be treated like gold in this situation. There are many jobs out there and other employers are willing to pay all the more.

They are. Many companies are offering bonuses for 90 days of working.

 

[Jmac00]

I really just didn’t want to do the job to start with honestly. I was working at his brothers house down the street and he just stopped by and asked me. The job went much better and faster than planned but still doesn’t make it an easy job. I quoted $400 and it took 3-3.5 hours to complete the task. Oh well.
He said wow you finished faster than I thought. I said yeah with two guys it went a little faster than I planned as well but you would have never completed it without two guys. He was fine but my partner is friends with his brother so I feel a bit bad. Oh well.

Have you looked into, or tried "Flat rate" billing. It can solve some customer complaints, it can also create some issues. But if someones says I need my hedges trimmed, How much? (example) 50' = $400, 100'= $800......... whether it takes one hour or six hours, thats the price

 

[Saltwater60]

Have you looked into, or tried "Flat rate" billing. It can solve some customer complaints, it can also create some issues. But if someones says I need my hedges trimmed, How much? (example) 50' = $400, 100'= $800......... whether it takes one hour or six hours, thats the price

Funny now they think it’s a great price and want me to do that job.
Im sure it has nothing to do with the other guy she had reached out to said he can’t do it until August for $650. He told me he’s quoting her for 10 hours. If it takes you 10 hours to trim 50-60 feet of bushes get out of business. I’m planning for half of that. Although I did drive by a house and a professional landscaping company was trimming bushes for 4-5 hours that would have taken me 2 hours. It’s just me and another guy not a bunch of morons off the street so that might be the difference.

To answer your I don’t trim a ton of bushes and flat rate wouldnt really apply in this case because they want them trimmed back so far.
I do charge a flat rate for labor for most jobs and then I estimate how many hours it will take me. Easier stuff like raking leaves and a few other things I charge a bit less per hour for.

 

[Cooolone]

No worries, when the free $$$ stops flowing, there won't be many jobs available, as everyone runs back to work!!!

 

[Modean]

I'm thinking existing employees better be treated like gold in this situation. There are many jobs out there and other employers are willing to pay all the more.

Lol, yeah you would think, but I have seen absolutely no sign of that type of thinking coming down from my company.

 

[Defilade]

Lol, yeah you would think, but I have seen absolutely no sign of that type of thinking coming down from my company.

My company being in the medical manufacturing industry can't afford to lose workers. On time delivery for the week is not met heads roll real quick.

 

[tony]

Before I retired from a manufacturing facility "Schedule in Jeopardy" was a big deal. These days most everyone just blames it on the corona...

 

[Blimey]

Speaking of fast food Mcdonald’s wants over $8 by me for a Big Mac meal (medium). I’m positive I was paying sub $8 until recently.

A full size Panera salad with one icing cookie cost me over $15 a couple days ago. That right there is bullshit.

 

[SonOfSun]

Funny. Businesses were whining they couldn't afford to pay higher wages or they would go out of business. Now they can afford it just fine. Ie. It was a lie all along.

 

[Darth]

Funny. Businesses were whining they couldn't afford to pay higher wages or they would go out of business. Now they can afford it just fine. Ie. It was a lie all along.

In what world are the businesses doing just fine?

 

[SonOfSun]

In what world are the businesses doing just fine?

They can afford the higher wages just fine. If they can't they wouldn't pay it.

This is supply and demand economics at work. If you can't hire people for what you're offering then you need to adjust your wages or close up. That simple.

 

[Darth]

They can afford the higher wages just fine. If they can't they wouldn't pay it.

This is supply and demand economics at work. If you can't hire people for what you're offering then you need to adjust your wages or close up. That simple.

And when the demand drops due to the high prices to compensate, what happens to the businesses?

Back to the question I asked. In what world are the businesses doing just fine?

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

I dont think $15 for a salad is an indication Panera is doing fine. Its more like a creeping death.

 

[SonOfSun]

And when the demand drops due to the high prices to compensate, what happens to the businesses?

Back to the question I asked. In what world are the businesses doing just fine?

I don't care, that's their problem. Find a business model that works or die.

I'm as worried about them as they are about me, which is to say not at all.

 

[Stuckinny]

I flat out refuse to pay the prices restaurants are charging these days. Can cook a much better meal at home for a third of the price and have leftovers. Every now and then it makes sense to eat out, but it is very rare. How long do you think it is going to take for the novelty of being able to eat out again to wear off given the much higher prices? I am actually doing some yard work at my neighbors house on a regular basis. Not to earn money, but to keep them from paying some overpriced crew to do a half assed job.

 

[Darth]

I don't care, that's their problem. Find a business model that works or die.

I'm as worried about them as they are about me, which is to say not at all.

The business model that works is paying a wage which is what the labor is worth and agreed upon.

*mind blown*

 

[Stuckinny]

I don't care, that's their problem. Find a business model that works or die.

I'm as worried about them as they are about me, which is to say not at all.

The business model that works is much different than the business model you need when the government is competing against you.

 

[SonOfSun]

The business model that works is paying a wage which is what the labor is worth and agreed upon.

*mind blown*

And if they can't find workers for what they are offering it's working as intended. Both sides have not agreed that is fair. They can up their wage until its agreeable to both sides and if they don't want to they can cease to operate. That simple.

 

[Darth]

And if they can't find workers for what they are offering it's working as intended. Both sides have not agreed that is fair. They can up their wage until its agreeable to both sides and if they don't want to they can cease to operate. That simple.

No, you're missing the entire issue with this situation.

Your idea would work if the alternative was "or else you don't get paid." As it should be.

That's not the case however. The case is "hell, the government will pay you more to NOT work there..."

 

[SonOfSun]

No, you're missing the entire issue with this situation.

Your idea would work if the alternative was "or else you don't get paid." As it should be.

That's not the case however. The case is "hell, the government will pay you more to NOT work there..."

Ok yeah that's another issue and I agree there.

 

[spat]

I don't care, that's their problem. Find a business model that works or die.

I'm as worried about them as they are about me, which is to say not at all.

You'll find out real quick that your life will be very difficult when those businesses all are forced into the "or close your doors" side of that equation.


Or are you *happy* about the $100 sheets of plywood lately ?


If you think it won't affect you, you should plan your next vacation in Venezuela.



It is neither reasonable nor sustainable to expect businesses to compete for labor with a government that's handing out ridiculous sums of money for not working.





This is literally a scheme to force the collapse of the economy, so that they can declare capitalism has failed and usher in a new communist system.

They will say "capitalism has failed" and people will buy it hook line and sinker. It will not occur to vast majority that it didn't fail, it was murdered.

 

[Saltwater60]

Speaking of fast food Mcdonald’s wants over $8 by me for a Big Mac meal (medium). I’m positive I was paying sub $8 until recently.

A full size Panera salad with one icing cookie cost me over $15 a couple days ago. That right there is bullshit.

You were. July first they are all now making $15/hour. I’m sure the prices went up.

 

[Saltwater60]

They can afford the higher wages just fine. If they can't they wouldn't pay it.

This is supply and demand economics at work. If you can't hire people for what you're offering then you need to adjust your wages or close up. That simple.

They only can’t get people because the government fucked it up like everything else they touch.
Under Trump unemployment was the lowest it had been in 50-60 years and Biden’s economy just missed the mark again. Unemployment is still not great and hasn’t moved much since he’s been back in office. The gravy train will never stop because the demonrats won’t ever kick a few million out of their homes.

 

[Saltwater60]

Ok yeah that's another issue and I agree there.

It’s not another issue at all. Both of these issues are intimately connected. The reason why businesses can’t get workers is because of what the government did and is handing out more money than ever before.
Look the infection rate is so low right now they can pat themselves on the back but that can’t take away the monetary benefits to make them go back to work?
This is all part of the plan to set in motion more socialist government control and UBI. It’s wrong and should be illegal. These politicians should be forced out and arrested for what they did.