Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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holdover
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CNN is saying the plane shot down over Kiev was Ukranian not Russian.
We speak English in the US.... well almost everyone here legally anyways. That doesn't make us subjects of the royal crown.
There is no separate American language that we choose not to speak. There is a Ukranian language, but people still speak Russian. Your parallel fails.
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"Russian mechanized forces, which came in from Belarus, are 20 miles outside of Kyiv," Austin told lawmakers tonight.
Looks like they will be there soon. I assume the fighting will get a little more intense .
If they dont have enough infantry in the the two mechanized columns, to engauge in a battle in the city , I would guess they might have to re take the airport first .
Thats going to be a tough fight for obvious reasons .or they may have to delay an attack until the infantry arrives
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Parallel?
I'll make it clearer. Speaking a language doesn't make you a subject of the people who the language is named for. Doesn't matter if they have "their own language" or not.
Choosing one language over the other shows which culture is closer to you.
I grew up there. Half of the people in my class had Ukrainian last names. Ukranian language and literature were mandatory subjects in school. We all laught at Ukranian words, some of them sound stupid to Russian speaking people.
I lived it, you are sitting at the keyboard and theorizing. Typical know it all American.
technicalgadget
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It’s not about the language. You fail to realize that the reason they all speak Russian in that part of Ukraine is that for all intensive purposes, they are Russian and that Putin is seen as a liberator in that part of Ukraine. It’s only as you make your way East do those lines begin to blur.
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ArmedCorgi
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Cunt is still spelled with a "C", right?
kev74
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For her, a capitol"c".
I can't believe someone who's lively hood depends on trying to get people to listen to what they're saying could be such a miserable, out of touch, cunt. People are dying, but my vacation has been postponed!!!
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GOYABEAN
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Sad part is that one's watching have the same feelings!For her, a capitol"c".
I can't believe someone who's lively hood depends on trying to get people to listen to what they're saying could be such a miserable, out of touch, cunt. People are dieing, but my vacation has been postponed!!!
Choosing one language over the other shows which culture is closer to you.
And?
Ukraine voted for independence and Russia officially recognized it. So many citizens still use Russian as their language? OK... and? Somehow that makes Russia invading OK? The Ukrainian people voted and overwhelmingly wanted to be independent so I'm not sure what Putin is "liberating" them from. I'm guessing (though not sure of on it) that the <8% that voted not to be independent could have moved to Russia any time, or at least easily.
And?
A referendum on the Act of Declaration of Independence was held in Ukraine on 1 December 1991. An overwhelming majority of 92.3% of voters approved the declaration of independence.......Citizens of Ukraine expressed overwhelming support for independence. In the referendum, 31,891,742 registered voters (or 84.18% of the electorate) took part, and among them 28,804,071 (or 92.3%) voted "Yes" On 2 December 1991, the President of the Russian SFSR Boris Yeltsin recognized Ukraine as independent.
Ukraine voted for independence and Russia officially recognized it. So many citizens still use Russian as their language? OK... and? Somehow that makes Russia invading OK? The Ukrainian people voted and overwhelmingly wanted to be independent so I'm not sure what Putin is "liberating" them from. I'm guessing (though not sure of on it) that the <8% that voted not to be independent could have moved to Russia any time, or at least easily.
ArmedCorgi
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But that's all they have in common. The really sad part is that the one's watching and claiming to agree with her don't realize that Behar and people like her hate them.
GOYABEAN
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Hall of Fame boxers Vitali, Wladimir Klitschko plan to fight for Ukraine
Former heavyweight champion Vitali Klitschko, the mayor of Kyiv, says he plans to take up arms along with his brother to defend against Russia's invasion.
www.espn.com
Acer-m14
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THE DANGER OF BIDEN’S WEAKNESS: Stephen Yates On Russia/Ukraine Escalation; China/Taiwan Implications
technicalgadget
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Now your putting words into people’s mouths and straight up lying. Did anyone here say or imply it was “ok” Russians were invading?
Alternatively, one could see this situation as 2 different ethnic groups living as oppressed and suppressed people trapped inside Ukraine and Putin is coming to free them, Russians indeed could be viewed as liberators of an oppressed minority group. Putin believes this to be a liberation operation, not an invasion.
holdover
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Abandoned by NATO Zelensky is ready to offer neutrality.
Ukraine ready to discuss neutrality, Zelensky says
Ukraine would talk with Russia about neutrality and ending the “invasion” but needs security guarantees, President Volodymyr Zelensky saidwww.rt.com
4 days ago he was begging to join NATO, Now he wants neutrality? I dont see how Putin could except unless he stepped down.
spat
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Putin couldn't give a flying fuck who is oppressed.
He is doing this:
First and formost, because he can.
Secondly, to increase Russia's (and therefor his) power and territory.
If he thought he could get away with it he would invade Taiwain.
Dr. Evil
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She's trying to one up Whoopie.For her, a capitol"c".
I can't believe someone who's lively hood depends on trying to get people to listen to what they're saying could be such a miserable, out of touch, cunt. People are dieing, but my vacation has been postponed!!!
Dr. Evil
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She's so freaking hot. That's all.
livingston
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Barack Obama Urges Americans to Unite Behind Joe Biden and Embrace Economic Pain for Ukraine
Former President Barack Obama issued a message of support for President Joe Biden on Thursday, urging Americans to unite behind economic sanctions against Russia.“Every American, regardless of party, should support President Biden’s efforts, in coordination with our closest allies, to impose hard-hitting sanctions on Russia,” Obama said in a statement sent to reporters, defending Biden’s sanctions as a serious attempt to put “a real price on Russia’s autocratic elites.”
Obama’s statement of support for Biden follows his own failure to stop Putin from annexing Crimea in 2014 when he was president.
“There may be some economic consequences to such sanctions, given Russia’s significant role in world energy markets,” Obama wrote. “But that’s a price we should be willing to pay to take a stand on the side of freedom.”
Obama Urges Americans to Unite Behind Joe Biden on Russia Sanctions
Obama issued a message of support for President Joe Biden on Thursday, urging Americans to unite behind economic sanctions against Russia.
www.breitbart.com
There were also referendums in Crimea and Donbass. There will be many others. Good luck with that.
It's being reported he held a special meeting with Sean Penn. That's right, he met with a Hollywood actor in a time like this. I think he is loosing it. He also came out bashing the West for abandoning his country.
NATO staged military maneuvers in Ukraine to reassure Ukraine and scare Russia, then they crapped their panties and ran away. This is what set off the chain of events we are witnessing.
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holdover
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I hate to say it but it sounds more like the United States.
Snake Island campaign - Wikipedia
13 brave souls stood up to a Russian Warship. While in the end the 13 died in a no win situation their response “Go fuck yourself” is indicative of how this war is going to go. I certainly hope Americans will have that kind of courage when faced with a similar situation.
Blimey
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Mosinitis has had a semi since yesterday morning. He fucking loves this invasion.
What you say about oppressed you could say with a straight face for those in the east.
Do you think this guy run over by a tank felt liberated after the fact?
BTW here's a map of ukraine based on those who call russia their first language. So yeah, if Russia tries to occupy ukraine and faces years of having its troops randomly shot at checkpoints by ukranian citizens you will know why. Most of that country absolutely sees russia as nothing but an imperialist. Many will absolutely fight to the death to stop this, and when russia's military finishes theirs and topples its government the underground resistance will be a thorn in russia's side indefinitely.
Snake Island campaign - Wikipedia
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13 brave souls stood up to a Russian Warship. While in the end the 13 died in a no win situation their response “Go fuck yourself” is indicative of how this war is going to go. I certainly hope Americans will have that kind of courage when faced with a similar situation.
Hate to disappoint you, all of them surrendered and were shown on Russian TV.
Russian ship survived verbal attack. I am sure Russian sailors heard worse. Some of them add this to the end of every sentence in a casual talk..