Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski Vows to Defeat the SAVE Act, Voter ID and Election Bill

tirwin1 · Feb 10, 2026

The personification of a RINO.

FP1201 · Friday at 10:13 PM

tirwin1 said:
The personification of a RINO.

I was thinking "cunt" but either works.

Zerex · Saturday at 10:21 AM

Evil......the Koran states clearly, that the root of all evil.......... is woman.....not money.

Biblical admonitions, too, are still valid today

Celt · Saturday at 10:55 AM

I dont want people voting illegally.

But I am having a hard time getting behind voter id laws. I despise gun permits of any kind, and my struggle is with having another one of my rights restricted by requiring an id.

Can someone make an argument that the government mandating more reasons to prove id is a good thing?

Robin · Saturday at 12:18 PM

If we had had un corrupted elections for the last seventy years there wouldn't be second amendment problems.
Robin

FP1201 · Saturday at 4:15 PM

Celt said:
I dont want people voting illegally.

But I am having a hard time getting behind voter id laws. I despise gun permits of any kind, and my struggle is with having another one of my rights restricted by requiring an id.

Can someone make an argument that the government mandating more reasons to prove id is a good thing?

Conversely, will you make argument(s) on why it isn't a good thing?

fresch · Saturday at 5:56 PM

Keep in mind back in old 1776 people knew who you were in your voting places.
I'm sure voting was rigged back then too.

Celt · Saturday at 8:04 PM

FP1201 said:
Conversely, will you make argument(s) on why it isn't a good thing?

I shouldnt need id to exercise my rights. But can you make an argument why I should?

FP1201 · Saturday at 8:22 PM

Celt said:
I shouldnt need id to exercise my rights. But can you make an argument why I should?

Perhaps no one should need to identify themselves, Guns being a primary focus here I revert to the days before the GCA of 1968 when buying a gun wasn't anymore complex than buying a Broom and Shovel.
I DO think there needs to be some sort of unambiguous means to insure no one votes more than once and that they are eligible to vote...Not that NY is free from voter fraud, the system we use seems to be pretty solid unless Poll Workers conspire to commit Fraud, which in a small location is unlikely.
Somewhere in SW Asia, there was a story about the emergence of Elections where previously they were a sham, voters dipped their finger in a purple indelible ink to signify they voted...How about a Finger print reader where you simply place a digit and it's matched against the database? Sounds good, until it gets back to the Fraud we have now with Electronic Voting Machines and the virtually daily proof that someone fucked with the results...No matter how good the encryption, people with or without authorization can and have gotten into these machines.
I wonder if Students still have to present ID before being allowed to take certain Tests? I had to.
Not being argumentative or dismissive, only trying to figure out why showing an identification, something virtually every American Adult but Rip Wheeler has.

Celt · Sunday at 7:43 AM

FP1201 said:
Perhaps no one should need to identify themselves, Guns being a primary focus here I revert to the days before the GCA of 1968 when buying a gun wasn't anymore complex than buying a Broom and Shovel.
I DO think there needs to be some sort of unambiguous means to insure no one votes more than once and that they are eligible to vote...Not that NY is free from voter fraud, the system we use seems to be pretty solid unless Poll Workers conspire to commit Fraud, which in a small location is unlikely.
Somewhere in SW Asia, there was a story about the emergence of Elections where previously they were a sham, voters dipped their finger in a purple indelible ink to signify they voted...How about a Finger print reader where you simply place a digit and it's matched against the database? Sounds good, until it gets back to the Fraud we have now with Electronic Voting Machines and the virtually daily proof that someone fucked with the results...No matter how good the encryption, people with or without authorization can and have gotten into these machines.
I wonder if Students still have to present ID before being allowed to take certain Tests? I had to.
Not being argumentative or dismissive, only trying to figure out why showing an identification, something virtually every American Adult but Rip Wheeler has.

Appreciate the response, I think part of my issue is that no matter what system we come up with their will be a work around and the good people are still stuck with even more restrictions on our rights. I have very little trust in our govt, i feel it is far too corrupt to earn my trust. In practicality it wouldnt take much to show my license when i go vote, afterall i need to drive there anyway. But when states gives licenses to people who arent citizens, how does that help us? There are many ways people can get govt ids from multiple states too.
Its the incremental creep that concerns me, just like with our gun rights. Next thing you know ill need to show my govt id when crossing state lines. The powerful people that run the world frame issues in a way so that we support our own loss of freedom. Im not looking to play their game so thats why I asked the question. Facial recognition, finger prints, etc... the cats already out of the bag, but i dont like it. As it pertains to gun rights look at how the AFT created a gun owner database even though it is illegal to do so. The law doesnt matter to them, they are all above it, and we suffer the loss of freedom.

Robin · Sunday at 11:38 AM

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Sadly, we pretty much are no longer that. People today think freedom and liberty mean they should be entitled to whatever sick twisted shit is being sold to them.
Robin

repete · Sunday at 11:49 AM

Celt said:
I shouldnt need id to exercise my rights. But can you make an argument why I should?

Very simple, the words "shall not be infringed" appear only once and yet look at what has happened to our 2nd Amendment. With that in mind why wouldn't you be 'all in' for the use of a voter ID?

Celt · Sunday at 12:25 PM

repete said:
Very simple, the words "shall not be infringed" appear only once and yet look at what has happened to our 2nd Amendment. With that in mind why wouldn't you be 'all in' for the use of a voter ID?

What has happened to the 2nd Amendment is EXACTLY why I cant get behind any laws that diminish my rights or freedoms. When you willingly give the govt the authority to have an inch, they will ABSOLUTELY take a mile.

This famous quote from Ben Franklin describes how I see this.

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

FP1201 · Sunday at 12:34 PM

Celt said:
Appreciate the response, I think part of my issue is that no matter what system we come up with their will be a work around and the good people are still stuck with even more restrictions on our rights. I have very little trust in our govt, i feel it is far too corrupt to earn my trust. In practicality it wouldn't take much to show my license when i go vote, after all i need to drive there anyway. But when states gives licenses to people who aren't citizens, how does that help us? There are many ways people can get govt ids from multiple states too.
Its the incremental creep that concerns me, just like with our gun rights. Next thing you know ill need to show my govt id when crossing state lines. The powerful people that run the world frame issues in a way so that we support our own loss of freedom. I'm not looking to play their game so that's why I asked the question. Facial recognition, finger prints, etc... the cats already out of the bag, but i don't like it.

Celt said:
As it pertains to gun rights look at how the AFT created a gun owner database even though it is illegal to do so. The law doesn't matter to them, they are all above it, and we suffer the loss of freedom.

I believe you to be right, which is why such a majority of the Country voted for and elected Trump, we're sick of being cheated at the Polls, we've don't want our Streets and Neighborhoods flooded with People who take without assimilation, that many of the Laws governing guns are unconstitutional bullshit, and all these changes the Left is howling about are a result of their failed policies and desire to implement them with force.
Perhaps wiping the Voter Rolls clean and requiring a new Registration supported by positive identification is in order?
One or two elections with ID then letting things settle back to an Honest System?
I wonder how many People do shit like vote in one State, then travel South for the Winter and vote again there? (assuming Mail In Ballots) Trump clearly warned us about the subversive democrat machine, too bad he wasn't able to stop it...maybe that four year pause opened the eyes of people that though they were doing the lords work throwing the election...doesn't matter what happened, only what we do going forward.

Cavalry · 2026-02-16T10:21:05-0500

Celt said:
I shouldnt need id to exercise my rights. But can you make an argument why I should?

I like the concept of proving who you are to vote. I'm not one for extra costs and enforcement is problematic, but how about indelable ink on the right forefinger to vote?
You can still lie about who you are but you get one vote as it should be.

Cavalry · 2026-02-16T11:25:54-0500

livingston said:
They make it so hard to get any kind of voter ID that more than 20 million legitimate people, mainly poor people and people of color, will not be able to vote
He has that confused as to what liberals did with being able to get a gun permit

Thankfully if one is too poor to have ID (which is bullshit itself) that person had one of these government IDs.

Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski Vows to Defeat the SAVE Act, Voter ID and Election Bill

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