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holdover said:
I love how the press says that Israel stikeing Lebanon was not breach of the cease fire when it was , But Iran striking isreal because they hit lebbanon was the problem. doublespeak at its best.


EVERYBODY KNOWS Israel doesnt want a cease fire with Iran. they want the US to finish Iran.
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So, is Hezbollah part of Iran or isn't it ?

You can't claim it's a violation of the ceasefire, and also claim that attacks by Hezbollah aren't attacks by Iran.

Pick one.
 
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its an impossible mission like the war on terror. unless we go full scale war. but if they try to do it on the cheap useing intelligence and a few missiles , aint gonna work. ever. Its like trying to prevent them from fucking. not gonna happen.


Ok so its been close for many years then. the point was they have the ability to enrich to 90%,for years ., Thats what the Isralies have been screaming about for the last 25 years . for the last 40 years they have been begging any administration to destroy Iran because they are a threat.

Finally they found a guy that thought it would be a great idea. Look this ends only 2 ways, all out war, or a deal . And if iran wants the best deal they drag this shit out till the mid terms to get the best deal , If the dems take the house , its a major headache for trump , so he has a lot at stake personally to get this thing settled


Spat, the problem is plan B (invasion)was never an option from the start, troops were never moved or assembled , ammo wasnt pre positioned. Nothing We had done was prepared for a ground invasion. the CIA backed uprising failed like the last 4 times they tried it, but for some reason Trump had it in his head this will go down like Muduro did , and it didnt .

Had those forces been brought to bear, it may have made the Iranians think, We're fucked, we have to make a deal or we are going to have US marines in Tehran in 3 weeks. and we cant do nothing about it. it may have forced a deal.


But the Iranians see there is no invasion force, so they can play thier games ,Our weapons stocks have been depleted in the last few years due to other conflicts , We cant expend 1or 2 thousand J dams a day for months , we used up what we had. its gonna take time to build up enough material and the Iranians know it.
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Iran has lost the ability to meaningfully threaten anyone.

They can manage some minor terrorism, but no actual military threats.

They have spent decades enriching uranium to 60%. They have enough that if they further enriched it to 90% they could make maybe a dozen bombs.

If we walk away and let them do what they want, they could make those dozen in a year or two.

It would take them much longer to make any more, because they would have to start from scratch.

It's not just what % you can enrich to, it's about the quantity. I could enrich to 90% in my garage if I wanted to, but I'd only have a few micrograms that wouldn't be useful for anything but a conversation piece.

This stuff isn't that complicated, but you seem determined to oversimplify it just enough to support erroneous conclusions. It's very reminiscent of the flat earth crowds arguments.
 
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holdover said:
its an impossible mission like the war on terror. unless we go full scale war. but if they try to do it on the cheap useing intelligence and a few missiles , aint gonna work. ever. Its like trying to prevent them from fucking. not gonna happen.


Ok so its been close for many years then. the point was they have the ability to enrich to 90%,for years ., Thats what the Isralies have been screaming about for the last 25 years . for the last 40 years they have been begging any administration to destroy Iran because they are a threat.

Finally they found a guy that thought it would be a great idea. Look this ends only 2 ways, all out war, or a deal . And if iran wants the best deal they drag this shit out till the mid terms to get the best deal , If the dems take the house , its a major headache for trump , so he has a lot at stake personally to get this thing settled


Spat, the problem is plan B (invasion)was never an option from the start, troops were never moved or assembled , ammo wasnt pre positioned. Nothing We had done was prepared for a ground invasion. the CIA backed uprising failed like the last 4 times they tried it, but for some reason Trump had it in his head this will go down like Muduro did , and it didnt .

Had those forces been brought to bear, it may have made the Iranians think, We're fucked, we have to make a deal or we are going to have US marines in Tehran in 3 weeks. and we cant do nothing about it. it may have forced a deal.


But the Iranians see there is no invasion force, so they can play thier games ,Our weapons stocks have been depleted in the last few years due to other conflicts , We cant expend 1or 2 thousand J dams a day for months , we used up what we had. its gonna take time to build up enough material and the Iranians know it.
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Trump said it will be over quick. 2 more weeks I'm thinking. Trust the plan.
 
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spat said:
This stuff isn't that complicated, but you seem determined to oversimplify it just enough to support erroneous conclusions. It's very reminiscent of the flat earth crowds arguments.
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Got to admit, this applies to you as well.
 
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spat said:
We've already changed their regime a couple times. We just need to keep doing that until someone we can live with ends up in charge.

No ground war necessary.
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Seriously? the more we bomb them the less likely that is to happen . I cant believe people even think like that. Just wait for a US puppet to take over? Holy shit your lost . Thats never ever ever going to happen , you dont understand people one bit
 
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Why would Iran make that part the deal if Hezbollah isn't one of their agents ?

"As part of the ceasefire with Ukraine, Russia has promised that China won't attack Taiwain". See how dumb that sounds ?
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OHHHHH I dont know, because they are Allies and dont want to give Israel a free pass to crush them maybe? jeeeezus.
 
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Seriously? the more we bomb them the less likely that is to happen . I cant believe people even think like that. Just wait for a US puppet to take over? Holy shit your lost . Thats never ever ever going to happen , you dont understand people one bit
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I understand people just fine.

There are plenty of people in Iran that we'd be able to deal with.

Many of them would love to end the theocracy.

We're not bombing *those* people.

Just kill enough of the IRGC, create a power vacuum and let someone decent take over.

This is another example where you're attempting to oversimplify things so you can draw bad conclusions.

"Iran" and "Iranians" aren't some giant monolithic block that all think alike. There are a lot of people in Iran that are *happy* we're bombing the IRGC, and they're pissed that we stopped.
 
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EGREGIOUS BETRAYAL: Giving Away America’s Military Intelligence & AI to Foreign Powers

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America First means protecting our tech, our troops, and our sovereignty — not surrendering it to foreign powers.

Who else is done with these scumbags selling us out?

 
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What point, that if we kill enough if the IRGC we can get someone reasonable to take over ?

You think the average Iranian is pissed at the US for the bombings ? Half of them are loving it.
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Iranians Celebrate Their Attack on Israel

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Donald Trump said: ‘I’m about to call Bibi right now and tell him not to respond’,

Donald Trump’s appeal to Benjamin Netanyahu to “not to strike back” after Iran launched missiles at Israel appears to have been unsuccessful after the Israeli military said it struck targets inside Iran


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Trump news at a glance: Israel strikes back at Iran despite president’s appeal

Donald Trump said: ‘I’m about to call Bibi right now and tell him not to respond’, as conflict risks spiralling – key US politics stories from 7 June at a glance
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Trump on Iran deal: We are very close. I would say an agreement would be signed on Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday of this coming week, and now this takes place.
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*TRUMP SAYS HE'S NOT HAPPY ABOUT ISRAEL'S INITIAL ATTACKS: FOX*TRUMP TO FOX: ISRAEL'S EARLIER ATTACKS NOT COORDINATED WITH US*TRUMP TO FOX: CLOSE TO A DEAL W/ IRAN AND NOW THIS TAKES PLACE
 
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holdover said:
www.youtube.com

Iranians Celebrate Their Attack on Israel

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Donald Trump said: ‘I’m about to call Bibi right now and tell him not to respond’,

Donald Trump’s appeal to Benjamin Netanyahu to “not to strike back” after Iran launched missiles at Israel appears to have been unsuccessful after the Israeli military said it struck targets inside Iran


www.theguardian.com

Trump news at a glance: Israel strikes back at Iran despite president’s appeal

Donald Trump said: ‘I’m about to call Bibi right now and tell him not to respond’, as conflict risks spiralling – key US politics stories from 7 June at a glance
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
Trump on Iran deal: We are very close. I would say an agreement would be signed on Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday of this coming week, and now this takes place.
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*TRUMP SAYS HE'S NOT HAPPY ABOUT ISRAEL'S INITIAL ATTACKS: FOX*TRUMP TO FOX: ISRAEL'S EARLIER ATTACKS NOT COORDINATED WITH US*TRUMP TO FOX: CLOSE TO A DEAL W/ IRAN AND NOW THIS TAKES PLACE
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So, sounds like nobody owns anybody.

We just both have a shared interest in peace in the middle east.
 
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spat said:
Are you honestly, with a straight face, suggesting that Trump is anyone's lap dog ?

Seriously, Donald Trump ?

You should see if MSNBC is hiring.
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ohhh no

The Trump administration announced today that American states and cities boycotting Israeli companies will not receive natural disaster funding from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).

To be eligible for $1.9 billion available in federal grants from FEMA for disaster preparation essentials, including emergency management salaries and rescue gear, U.S. states and cities must agree that they will not cut off “commercial relations specifically with Israeli companies.”

In essence, signing a loyalty oath to another country.


"Section 224 [of the NDAA] essentially turns over massive powers within the military to the Israeli military"

Billions of dollars a year so their kids have free healthcare and school . and massive military aid ,fuck you and the horse you rode in on

What could give you that idea? If your that fucking dumb , your beyond help
 
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