New York Now Requires Banks To Track Your Guns

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FP1201 said:
AH, and that's why they want to go digital currency...they wanna know everything about you and what you do and they want to keep it secret.
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A subpoena is a subpoena can't get around that. However if more POS would adopt methods of spending crypto currency in their Bricks & Mortars a "private", my term, transaction with a vendor can be done. Current CryCur coding allows for zero knowledge proofs to do that.


Other advantages to the vendor are lower rail costs 1% vs 3+%.
Instantaneos transactions. Funds in vendor account before customer leaves.
A lot more here. Including privacy.


Probably could paste this over in the AI / Cryto Currency threads too cuz as more agentic transactions begin to take place the human factor becomes a bottleneck. Debits & credits that now takes the billing department days to weeks to transact will be completed in milliseconds 24/7/365 with AI agentic transactions. Along side of that is the use of blockchain to record and store the transaction/smart contract.


Times are a changing so will finances. Cuz controlling the money is even better than controlling the vote.
 
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Also, this is still in Committee. Read the bill and respond to your representative. It declares that firearms and ammo are in the same category as Porn and Illicit Drugs. Which is confusing because being a junky is a disability in NYS which you can get compensated for and get benefits.

The Comptroller of the State of New York has asked credit card companies
to reclassify purchases of firearms as a high-risk transaction similar
to how credit card companies flag the purchase of pornography or illicit
drugs. The ownership of firearms is guaranteed by our 2nd Amendment and
it is unconscionable to think that the major means for purchase of these
items would be expressly prohibited from being allowed to occur. This
legislation seeks to ensure that someone who seeks to legally purchase a
weapon can do so using his or her credit or debit card.

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Brawny71 said:
Also, this is still in Committee. Read the bill and respond to your representative. It declares that firearms and ammo are in the same category as Porn and Illicit Drugs. Which is confusing because being a junky is a disability in NYS which you can get compensated for and get benefits.

The Comptroller of the State of New York has asked credit card companies
to reclassify purchases of firearms as a high-risk transaction similar
to how credit card companies flag the purchase of pornography or illicit
drugs. The ownership of firearms is guaranteed by our 2nd Amendment and
it is unconscionable to think that the major means for purchase of these
items would be expressly prohibited from being allowed to occur. This
legislation seeks to ensure that someone who seeks to legally purchase a
weapon can do so using his or her credit or debit card.

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Hopefully it won't matter if Thune gets off his ass and the Senate passes House Resolution H.R. 1181 "Protecting Privacy in Purchases Act" which passed in the House 221 to 201.

HR 1181 PROHIBITS credit card companies and payment networks from assigning firearm-specific Merchant Category Codes (MCC 5723) to gun and ammo purchases.

Since 2022, Visa, Mastercard, and American Express have categorized gun store transactions under a special code.
 
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libertysnake said:
Not that they should even track that, but what you're saying is accurate. It just stays you bought something from someone who is a firearms dealer or a seller of ammo.

It doesn't give them authority to say you cannot buy it. They might be able at to marry up the social media accounts your submitted and look to see if after a large purchase you post some sort of crazy manifesto, though.

However, the solution to that is simple:

1. Before you submit your social media accounts for the permit, change your username on your accounts to bullshit
2. Delete all context of said accounts via API calls to the service backend.
3. Right after the signed papers go in, just make a new account using the original name. So you can use the name you've always been using.
4. If you want you might be able to backup the posts you made before your scrubbed things.

The permit paperwork just says you need to give them your social media accounts, former and CURRENT. Once your submit your paperwork, it doesn't require you tell them about new accounts you make. It doesn't mention what condition they have to be in.

That way when they look up the accounts they get a wall of nothing. (You're just not a very vocal guy.)

So beat them at their own game.
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No need to scrub shit you don't have.

I don't use Facebook, Twitter, etc. This site is as close as I get to social media. I don't find any value in creating a history of where I am and with who, what im doing, etc. If anything its a liability. It provides zero functional value. If you are important to me, you'll already know what I'm doing because you'll be there doing those things with me. I don't need to share it with you... you were there.

Think of it this way, if Facebook existed 200 years ago, would you really give a shit what your great great great great grandfather ate for lunch in July 1826? No? Me either.

Other than that there is also my general motto of "Any information that can be used WILL be misused". So I just choose not to give them that type of data to begin with. Can't use or lose what you don't have.
 
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Criticalt said:
I buy all my guns in PA. Its a
little more of a pain in the butt for pistols, but I have a guy. I can still choose, buy, and be home with a pistol in about an hour. I usually wait until the next day as to not piss off "my guy" too much. :)
But if I really NEED a handgun, I can probably do it in 45 minutes.
If I call my NY guy to meet me at the PA gun shop, then pay for the gun, then leave my guy there to do his thing, I can drive to the court house, add the pistol, then get back to my NY guys shop where he will already be. Yep, about 45 minutes.
My NY guy and me both live 5 miles from the shop. The court house is about 10 miles from the shop. It would be close.
Dammit! Now I have to try it!!
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I just walk into store, pick out gun, pay, and walk out with it. No permit required either. Go ahead and hate on me, I don't mind.
 
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No need to scrub shit you don't have.

I don't use Facebook, Twitter, etc. This site is as close as I get to social media. I don't find any value in creating a history of where I am and with who, what im doing, etc. If anything its a liability. It provides zero functional value. If you are important to me, you'll already know what I'm doing because you'll be there doing those things with me. I don't need to share it with you... you were there.

Think of it this way, if Facebook existed 200 years ago, would you really give a shit what your great great great great grandfather ate for lunch in July 1826? No? Me either.

Other than that there is also my general motto of "Any information that can be used WILL be misused". So I just choose not to give them that type of data to begin with. Can't use or lose what you don't have.
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Probably Eel pie, mushy peas, and warm, flat ale. Thats in July anyways. If it were December it would have probably been roast venison, creamed corn......and a warm, flat ale.
 
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Wonder how New York is going to oppose the Federal Government when this passes the Senate (Passed the House yesterday)
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The U.S. House recently passed the Protecting Privacy in Purchases Act, which prohibits financial institutions from using a separate merchant category code to track firearm and ammunition purchases. This legislation aims to protect the privacy of law-abiding gun owners and prevent potential discrimination against them.
 
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Criticalt said:
Probably Eel pie, mushy peas, and warm, flat ale. Thats in July anyways. If it were December it would have probably been roast venison, creamed corn......and a warm, flat ale.
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We'll never know for sure, and that's not a bad thing. 1984 style surveillance is dystopian.
 
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Criticalt said:
Absolutely, its a perk to living on the border. Ill take any win I can get. And yes, it does suck to not live on the border I guess. Im also pretty close to Ohio.
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I've been a serious collector of guns most all my life, so getting one does not pose a challenge, which I suppose is a "perk" to being involved with the industry, but it sure doesn't help selling/transferring guns to persons not prohibited from owning a gun while the government treats them as though they're already an undocumented felon, gleaning their information for no other reason than to one day take what they lawfully obtained before some commie motherfucker got into power and is afraid the People will violently reject his policies.
 
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