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Iranian officials have responded with ridicule to President Donald Trump's threat to wage economic war on their country.

Kazem Gharibabadi, Iran's deputy foreign minister for legal and international affairs, said the apparent pivot in U.S. strategy will fail.

"The military war didn’t yield results, so now they’ve named the next failure 'economic war,'" Gharibabadi said in an overnight post on X. "They claim Iran is on the brink of collapse and hanging by a thread, yet they beg all their allies to help them!"

Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi said on social media that Trump's "Economic D-Day" is a "a diversion from America's own crisis: unprecedented debt & surging interest costs."

Araghchi was referring to the news this week that the U.S. national debt surpassed $40 trillion. The federal government's debt burden crossed the $39 trillion threshold about five months ago in March.

"Doubling down on failed policies will only bring further defeat—and enmity of Iranians. US economic terrorism threatens global economy and sovereignty worldwide," Araghchi added.
 
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I'm sorry

From my standpoint this is bullshit
Since the islamic revolution during carter's term, we have had no administration that carries out a solution to the Iran issue
None

Trump has done a very half assed job.
Carpet bomb those heathens to full submission
Leave none standing

Fuk what the rest of theworld thinks

A globe without Iran is one step closer to peacefulness
 
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Even his 1/2 ass is way more than any others have done. Except for obummer giving them $$$$, "it is the prettiest sound 5 times a day" . We need to end islame in this country today or fight them on our soil tomorrow.
President Trump has however shown who can be reliable of our "allies", no one.
Plus that (we knew before) media is against the people of the U.S.A.. Our schools are shit. Doctors are shit. Police are shit. It's all shit.
When antifa, etc, start up again next term what happens? More homosexual, queer, mentally unbalanced politicians back in control?
Or have we been infiltrated so much that we lost and don't know we are in a fight yet?
Me thinks, bad storms on the horizon wherever you live.
 
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I'm fine with the blockade strategy. Although it's not as satisfying as destroying them.
But I also understand the bad optics of forcing their entire population into starvation.
 
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Bigfoot said:
I'm fine with the blockade strategy. Although it's not as satisfying as destroying them.
But I also understand the bad optics of forcing their entire population into starvation.
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The only real solution is revolution.

The people want it, but not enough apparently. They just need a little help and a little encouragement.

Economic collapse does both.

Should be combined with targeted strikes on every IRGC commander above a seargent.
 
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spat said:
The only real solution is revolution.

The people want it, but not enough apparently. They just need a little help and a little encouragement.

Economic collapse does both.

Should be combined with targeted strikes on every IRGC commander above a seargent.
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Well considering 30k of them that wanted it were offed by the government earlier this year, I can understand the reticence.
 
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thughes said:
Well considering 30k of them that wanted it were offed by the government earlier this year, I can understand the reticence.
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It'll take a lot more than that to finish the job.

There are more Iranians today than there were Americans in 1865, and we lost 3/4 of a million.

And that's still no guarantee for the people that even if they win they won't accidentally put another batch of shitweasels in charge.

But, they can't let the status quo go on forever.
 
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"Kyiv, Israel fighting ‘same axis of evil’ as Russia deploys Iranian weapons
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Ukraine’s war with Russia and Israel’s conflict with Iran are part of the same broader fight, with Iranian weapons linking the two battlefields, Ukraine’s ambassador to Israel said Tuesday.

Speaking to The Jerusalem Post ahead of Ukraine’s Independence Day, Ambassador Yevgen Korniychuk pointed to Russia’s use of Iranian attack drones as evidence of cooperation between Moscow and Tehran and a direct link between the threats facing Ukraine and Israel.

“We have been feeling more and more like we’ve been fighting against the same axis of evil,” Korniychuk said. “You guys are against Iran, and we are against Russia," he told the outlet.

“We’ve been shot by the same Iranian-made drones that are currently being improved substantially by the Russians,” he said.

“So we feel that we’ve been fighting against the same enemy in different corners of the same battlefield"
 
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"Kyiv, Israel fighting ‘same axis of evil’ as Russia deploys Iranian weapons
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Ukraine’s war with Russia and Israel’s conflict with Iran are part of the same broader fight, with Iranian weapons linking the two battlefields, Ukraine’s ambassador to Israel said Tuesday.

Speaking to The Jerusalem Post ahead of Ukraine’s Independence Day, Ambassador Yevgen Korniychuk pointed to Russia’s use of Iranian attack drones as evidence of cooperation between Moscow and Tehran and a direct link between the threats facing Ukraine and Israel.

“We have been feeling more and more like we’ve been fighting against the same axis of evil,” Korniychuk said. “You guys are against Iran, and we are against Russia," he told the outlet.

“We’ve been shot by the same Iranian-made drones that are currently being improved substantially by the Russians,” he said.

“So we feel that we’ve been fighting against the same enemy in different corners of the same battlefield"
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Because we're watching a slow burn WW3.
 
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Israeli airstrikes hit the Abu al-Duhur military air base in northwestern Syria to prevent Turkish troops from deploying to the site, drawing criticism from Turkey and the United States

DAMASCUS, Syria — Israel struck an air base in northwest Syria early Tuesday, saying it aimed to prevent Turkish troops from deploying there.

Turkey, which has close ties with the Syrian government and has been providing assistance to Syria's military, has tense relations with Israel. The rival countries have sought to curb each other's influence in neighboring Syria.
Eight strikes hit the runway of the Abu Duhur air base in the northwestern province of Idlib, causing damage but no casualties, state TV said. Syria's Foreign Minister Asaad al-Shibani told reporters in Damascus that Syria condemns the "Israeli aggression," adding that the strikes were "an unjustified provocation, a violation of Syria's sovereignty, and a direct threat to regional and global stability."


Isreal attacks another country in self defense again.


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spat said:
It's only slow because nobody wants the US to wake up and actually commit.

We're basically sleeping walking through it now.
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Not sure when the USA turned into the I love Muslims country but we have. It blows my mind. How do people forget so easily what they have done? Now m not saying I hate Muslims because they are Muslim alone, and there are some great ones. I can assure everyone the Ramona leadership does not fall into the I’m a great Muslim leadership by anyone’s standards in the USA. This is part of the reason we won’t commit because our country has turned weak and loves them in their entirety. For some reason they can separate and hate Americans, but not bad middle easterners or Muslims.
 
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CNYJohn said:
I'm sorry

From my standpoint this is bullshit
Since the islamic revolution during carter's term, we have had no administration that carries out a solution to the Iran issue
None

Trump has done a very half assed job.
Carpet bomb those heathens to full submission
Leave none standing

Fuk what the rest of theworld thinks

A globe without Iran is one step closer to peacefulness
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Carpet bombing will not produce the outcome you desire. Iran is too big with too many places for leadership to hide. Just like the dictators of Germany and Japan they have no problem letting thousands or millions of their own people die as long as they remain in power. They know the second they are no longer in power they will be killed.

We don't have the stomach (or the finances) to invade and they know it. I think our strategy was to weaken them enough so an internal revolution could overthrow the regime. If that was the case we gambled and lost. We are stuck with 3 options - invade, call it off or perpetuate the status quo (another forever war). Neither one is good.
 
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tirwin1 said:
Carpet bombing will not produce the outcome you desire. Iran is too big with too many places for leadership to hide. Just like the dictators of Germany and Japan they have no problem letting thousands or millions of their own people die as long as they remain in power. They know the second they are no longer in power they will be killed.

We don't have the stomach (or the finances) to invade and they know it. I think our strategy was to weaken them enough so an internal revolution could overthrow the regime. If that was the case we gambled and lost. We are stuck with 3 options - invade, call it off or perpetuate the status quo (another forever war). Neither one is good.
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100% I've been saying many similar thoughts. I still standby my earlier post where I have my theory on what the US was thinking, and how this conflict went off the rails so badly.

We are falling into the exact same trap I've mocked Russia of doing. We made significant miscalculations, we are now committed into a conflict without a clear vision and plan and we have lost the initiative.

Iran is probably in a significantly stronger position both internally and regionally today, than they were 8 months ago. This conflict has been an absolute golden ticket for the Iranian regime, they were on life support in December 2025 and now they have consolidated power and have internal support for defending against the US aggressors.


Has anyone stopped to think why the USS Lincolns recent tour of duty has turned into a literal shit show? Has anyone actually stopped to think "how" and "why"? IMO I am highly confident that I believe Iranian missiles and drones have been much more effective than we have publicly said. The theory is that Iran was actually successful in severely damaging US navy logistics depots in the region which led to us not having reliable enough supply lines to be able to keep the Lincoln supplied with what it needed, and things quickly degraded and went off the rails.
There were also a lot of open source Intel guys showing the US Air force very likely took a lot of ground damage at bases in the region.

It looks like the US has essentially pulled back and withdrawn from our inner ring of bases to geographically farther bases out of range of the most abundant Iranian drones and missiles.

I don't think people realize how much exponentially more difficult this conflict becomes when our supply lines are now stretched and we are fighting against distance. As a example what could previously have been a 4 hour combat mission in flight hours is now an 8-12 hour mission and it needs 2x the refueling capabilities and that also means there are more tankers flying hours. All this adds strain, times, costs, increased maintenance frequencies, more spare parts. Etc. We have lost ~30% of our entire fleet of reaper drones by many accounts. We still can't use our JDAM bombs and are running low on standoff munitions because our planes still can't reliably penetrate high threat airspace, so with all that being said I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities that they are seriously considering using tactical nukes because they've boxed themselves into a corner.
 
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I think there is so much information flowing from all kinds of sources ( official, unofficial, reliable, unreliable. The enemy, and so on) that people don’t know what to believe and they naturally gravitate to the stories and sources that reinforce their preconceived beliefs.

These sources all have a couple things in common, they are going after your mind and your wallet.
 
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dsdmmat said:
I think there is so much information flowing from all kinds of sources ( official, unofficial, reliable, unreliable. The enemy, and so on) that people don’t know what to believe and they naturally gravitate to the stories and sources that reinforce their preconceived beliefs.

These sources all have a couple things in common, they are going after your mind and your wallet.
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Very true. We don't know what Trump knows and can only speculate. We do know the conflict hasn't ended and that Trump was unlikely to start something that he believed couldn't be wrapped up quickly (like Venezuela). So every week that goes by makes it look like we miscalculated the situation or underestimated the durability of the Iranian regime.
 
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“Shit Show” of Ole Abe started when ONE family, of ONE sailor got the ear of ONE newspaper. 12 months used to be a standard; often extended. “We” started making 6 months the standard. Keep in mind the previous admin’s lowering of standards….and here we are.
 
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dsdmmat said:
I think there is so much information flowing from all kinds of sources ( official, unofficial, reliable, unreliable. The enemy, and so on) that people don’t know what to believe and they naturally gravitate to the stories and sources that reinforce their preconceived beliefs.

These sources all have a couple things in common, they are going after your mind and your wallet.
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I think being aware of the risk of confirmation bias is important. Keep asking questions and try to be objective. Be willing to reevaluate your positions based on new information.
 
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tirwin1 said:
Carpet bombing will not produce the outcome you desire.

We don't have the stomach (or the finances) to invade and they know it. I think our strategy was to weaken them enough so an internal revolution could overthrow the regime. If that was the case we gambled and lost. We are stuck with 3 options - invade, call it off or perpetuate the status quo (another forever war). Neither one is good.
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BINGO!
 
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The United States has issued a rare rebuke of Israel after Israeli airstrikes targeted the Abu al-Zuhour military airbase in northwestern Syria. Washington called the strikes an 'unnecessary escalation' that does not advance regional stability. Why did Israel target the Syrian airbase? Tel Aviv says it is responding to growing Turkish influence in Syria and has accused Ankara of pushing Damascus into dangerous military arrangements. Türkiye, however, has rejected Israel’s allegations and condemned the strikes as a violation of Syria’s sovereignty. This video highlights growing tensions between Washington and Tel Aviv.

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US condemns 'unnecessary escalation' after Israeli airstrikes on Syrian airbase

Damascus called the attacks "an unjustified act of aggression" that imperilled regional security.
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Saltwater60 said:
Not sure when the USA turned into the I love Muslims country but we have. It blows my mind. How do people forget so easily what they have done? Now m not saying I hate Muslims because they are Muslim alone, and there are some great ones. I can assure everyone the Ramona leadership does not fall into the I’m a great Muslim leadership by anyone’s standards in the USA. This is part of the reason we won’t commit because our country has turned weak and loves them in their entirety. For some reason they can separate and hate Americans, but not bad middle easterners or Muslims.
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No way.... where?
 
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