US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)
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Robin
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So have the NATO countries and dozens more around the world.
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Steal2B
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Looks like Trump couldn't wait till after the election.
nypost.com
US forces hit Iran’s Qeshm Island as part of a series of secret strikes: report
US forces reportedly launched a secret attack on Iran’s Qeshm Island Monday, the latest in a series of small-scale strikes aimed at securing the Strait of Hormuz.
nypost.com
So, does this mean the negotiations are off?
spat
.950 JDJ
Looks like the Iranians shot some missiles at some C-17s delivering some patriots to Isreal.Looks like Trump couldn't wait till after the election.
US forces hit Iran’s Qeshm Island as part of a series of secret strikes: report
US forces reportedly launched a secret attack on Iran’s Qeshm Island Monday, the latest in a series of small-scale strikes aimed at securing the Strait of Hormuz.
Then we smoked the bases the missiles were fired from.
So this isn't a "new attack", just some tit for tat retaliation.
spat
.950 JDJ
Wasn't that from last summer ?So, does this mean the negotiations are off?
That video did look familiar??
spat
.950 JDJ
Well, he was talking about Fordow, Isfahan , and Natanz.
That was operation Midnight Hammer from June of '25.
There's basically nothing left to bomb at any of them.
We shall know in 2 weeks.So, does this mean the negotiations are off?
I honestly don't know why Trump started bombing Iran again. Is this correct or just some disinformation? If true Trump certainly could have done a better job communicating this. I don't think it would have changed the election results.
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Mor Edge Insight (@MorEdge_Insight) on X
Wow. Senator John Kennedy. How is this not everywhere. Seriously. This is insane. Listen to what he’s actually saying.
I honestly don't know why Trump started bombing Iran again. Is this correct or just some disinformation? If true Trump certainly could have done a better job communicating this. I don't think it would have changed the election results.
Mor Edge Insight (@MorEdge_Insight) on X
Wow. Senator John Kennedy. How is this not everywhere. Seriously. This is insane. Listen to what he’s actually saying.
@tirwin1 I posted this shortly after the conflict restarted maybe in months ago. I think it aligns with your above post so I'm just bringing it up again to compare.
Robin
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Finish the fucking job!!!! What do you have to lose at this point.
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Catskillkid
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I agree. But my question is what constitutes "finishing the job?" Destroying the IRG? Killing the new ayatollah? Complete regime change? Military occupation (we saw how well that worked out in Iraq and Afghanistan)?
I would love nothing more than to see the Iranian people throw off this despotic regime. But I'm done with spending American money and shedding American blood to do that.
Might it just be that there ARE sleeper cells here in America and leadership, control, and funding comes from Iran?
That those cells will remain quiet until instructed to act, so each time the US figuratively cuts off their heads, things remain quiet here?
We speculate, bitch and complain about what POTUS does, but seemingly fail to recognize the size, scope, and mountainous amount of intelligence from the CIA, Military Intelligence, and advisors that KNOW what the fuck they're talking about.
It's easy to armchair QB when you're watching the replay instead of actually being on the Field.
That those cells will remain quiet until instructed to act, so each time the US figuratively cuts off their heads, things remain quiet here?
We speculate, bitch and complain about what POTUS does, but seemingly fail to recognize the size, scope, and mountainous amount of intelligence from the CIA, Military Intelligence, and advisors that KNOW what the fuck they're talking about.
It's easy to armchair QB when you're watching the replay instead of actually being on the Field.
U.S. is very good at getting radicals, criminals and drug addicts staging civil unrest and violent confrontation with authorities. More often than not it is done by hijacking legitimate protests. To say they represent the will of the people of that country is a stretch. It's hundreds out of millions. When violent regime change succeeds, the rest either accepts it or civil war breaks out.
It's not the will of the people. The people will suffer as a whole.
It's not the will of the people. The people will suffer as a whole.
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Yep I agree. The FBI and CIA are pros at it.
spat
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The immediate goal is to remove their ability to destabilize the region.
Regime change is certainly the preferred way to accomplish that. But it does run the risk that the new regime will be just as bad.
I think destruction of the IRGC is effectively regime change. The real problem is that we didn't move quickly enough last spring, and now the people we would have *wanted* to take over are mostly dead.
I do not think occupation is in our interest.
I think our best bet is to destroy enough of the IRGC that they can no longer control the country. Then see who fills that vacuum.
If they aren't acceptable, then rinse and repeat until we get someone who is.
Nation building takes way more work than we are willing to put into it. It takes decades, and you have to completely demolish the existing society first.
We have neither the patience nor the stomach for that anymore.
That's why we have failed every attempt since Germany and Japan. Although South Korea is an honorable mention.
So, we are left with the whack a mole strategy, and just keep playing that until something acceptable to us rises on it's own.
spat
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They're too busy doing that in Portland and Minneapolis to bother with Iran these days.
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I believe we were supposed to keep our fingers out of things. I have no information on why he started it. He was doing good on making NATO pony up, if they do. Bringing jobs back.
One would think some very deep information was shown or the auto pen (deep state nwo?) is at it again, or like covid got fooled again.
None of the political class ever really pay when caught, this is just theatre to cover what they do all day every day. They fight each other and with the same from other countries.
It's good to be the king.
I believe we were supposed to keep our fingers out of things. I have no information on why he started it. He was doing good on making NATO pony up, if they do. Bringing jobs back.
One would think some very deep information was shown or the auto pen (deep state nwo?) is at it again, or like covid got fooled again.
None of the political class ever really pay when caught, this is just theatre to cover what they do all day every day. They fight each other and with the same from other countries.
It's good to be the king.
Catskillkid
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My cynical opinion...there were too many politicians from both sides of the aisle in the Epstein Files. We all stopped talking about that once bombs started falling.
All 18 US Intelligence Agencies told Donald Trump that Iran did not have a nuclear weapons program.
•@grok• TRUE or FALSE
TRUE. The US Intelligence Community (its 18 agencies) assessed that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and has not reauthorized the program suspended in 2003. DNI Tulsi Gabbard presented this consensus to Congress and the administration; former NCTC director Joe Kent later confirmed the 18-agency agreement. Trump publicly dismissed the assessment.
•@grok• TRUE or FALSE
TRUE. The US Intelligence Community (its 18 agencies) assessed that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and has not reauthorized the program suspended in 2003. DNI Tulsi Gabbard presented this consensus to Congress and the administration; former NCTC director Joe Kent later confirmed the 18-agency agreement. Trump publicly dismissed the assessment.
spat
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Would you care to explain how Grok would know what classified intelligence briefings Trump was receiving ?
And if they *weren't* trying to build a bomb, then why did they spend billions of dollars on an enrichment cascade, bury it under a mountain, and enrich uranium to 60% ?
Commercial reactors only need 3-5%
spat
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So many powerful people from all over the world were in there that the shock to the global system from exposing it scares the people who know.
They also salivate over the power that information gives them.
But, maybe people are calling their bluff. If it's too big to expose, then it's not useful for blackmail. Blackmail requires that the target believes you will release the information. Once you demonstrate that it's "too dangerous to release", then it's useless for blackmail.
Maybe the whole thing is just mutually assured destruction. It's the political equivalent to nuclear weapons.
In any case, I really hope that someone decides the system is so corrupt that nuking it all is the best course of action.
Catskillkid
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Just like the corporations that were "too big to fail" in 2008 I'd be happy to live with those results. Let the information out!
Bigfoot
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It seems to me that if Iranian sleeper cells were actually a thing. They would have been activated long ago, probably when the Iranian Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and a bunch of the other leadership were killed. And if not then, probably after the second round of leadership was killed off, or even after the third stringers were wiped out, and so on.
If Iranian sleeper cells actually existed, it seems to me they would have been activated by now.
If they don't activate after the Ayatollah and the rest of the leadership are killed. What more will it take?
Very early on in this thread, or maybe it was a different thread, IDK. I said that I think the sleeper cell thing is probably bullshit... At this point anyway, it seems that I was correct with that assumption.
Maybe.
Maybe not.
I don't think Iran really views this as an "existential threat" yet. Its certainly a problem for Iran, but, at the same time internally this has been a benefit for them to consolidate power and they(IRGC )are more popular now than they were a year ago. Last year at this time they were on the verge of civil unrest and collapse or being overthrown, now they are the most popular they've been in years and have more power and control.
Iran is probably smart enough to know that the US public is not very excited about this conflict (look no further than this forum) and public backing is limited at best. Now, say all of a sudden a few Iranian sleeper cells get activated and start attacking our infrastructure or soft public targets and I think instantly anyone remotely on the fence would rally against Iran and want revenge. Iran has to know that. They have to know they are walking a tight rope to play the long game to keep this unpopular in the US.
That's my theory on "if" there are sleeper cells here "why" they have not yet activated.
On the flip side, maybe it's all an exaggeration and empty threats and they're not really here, just another boogeyman in the closet and it's not real and never was.
Personally,
I tend to think 2 decades of an open border has more likely than not been exploited..... I tend to think they are here and have not been activated. So I default back to my "just because they haven't attacked yet, doesn't mean there isn't a threat". I think in the previous 20 years lots of bad people are in the country and it's very reasonable and logical to assume Iran snuck some agents in at some point.
Iranians are getting caught
EXCLUSIVE: More than 300 Iranians apprehended by Border Patrol under Trump
(The Center Square) – Since President Donald Trump has taken office, 307 Iranians who attempted to illegally enter the country have been apprehended by Border Patrol agents.
www.thecentersquare.com
So it's reasonable to assume if they are attempting and getting caught, that not all of them are getting caught and many are making it through. Its also reasonable that some of them are decent people trying to escape to America for our freedom and way of life, others are probably the opposite and trying to sneak in to cause us harm.
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