holdover
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I dont know about that they're pretty fucking stupid , I never underestimate stupid people with a lot of power, they can do some amazingly stupid things
Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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spat
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You *really* overestimate the Russian military's ability.
Steal2B
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Putin reeling as huge leak reveals staggering Russian death toll in Ukraine
In a humiliating blow to Moscow's tightly guarded wartime secrecy, hackers infiltrated the Russian state statistics agency.
Putin reeling as huge leak shares staggering Russian death toll in Ukraine
Someone in Moscow is panicking tonight
www.express.co.uk
spat
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When you realize there are only about 19M military aged men in Russia, losing half a million of them is demographically devastating.Putin reeling as huge leak reveals staggering Russian death toll in Ukraine
In a humiliating blow to Moscow's tightly guarded wartime secrecy, hackers infiltrated the Russian state statistics agency.
Putin reeling as huge leak shares staggering Russian death toll in Ukraine
Someone in Moscow is panicking tonight
And what do they have to show for it ? Some muddy farmland and a devastated economy ?
Putin reeling as huge leak reveals staggering Russian death toll in Ukraine
In a humiliating blow to Moscow's tightly guarded wartime secrecy, hackers infiltrated the Russian state statistics agency.
Putin reeling as huge leak shares staggering Russian death toll in Ukraine
Someone in Moscow is panicking tonight
UK, united kunts bullshit article.
The West is running away from the fact that all the billions spent and all the Ukrainians sacrificed failed to achieve strategic defeat of Russia.
Peacekeepers, if this even comes to that, would have to be from countries agreed by both sides.
Putin reeling as huge leak reveals staggering Russian death toll in Ukraine
In a humiliating blow to Moscow's tightly guarded wartime secrecy, hackers infiltrated the Russian state statistics agency.
Putin reeling as huge leak shares staggering Russian death toll in Ukraine
Someone in Moscow is panicking tonight
The conflict is causing a lot more casualties on both sides than they are publicly admitting.
But I definitely do not believe the rumors that Russia is killing ukranians at 10:1 I think that's completely backwards. I think it's far more likely the ukranians are killing Russians at 10:1 casualty rates.
Either way the casualties for both sides are horrendous. They've surpassed all US WW2 casualties I would bet.
Its a hellscape.
Also, why I think Russia is going to have to "do something" as @spat just said above, because they can't continue this forever. IMO they're going to do something crazy like a fox to break this stalemate and get the front actually moving towards achieving their objectives. I could see Russia using nukes, or cyber attacks, or more gray zone warfare, or trying to draw other countries into conflicts or do something to shake things up. They have to do something. There's no chance Putin the thinks they can just continue on this course.
I just tongue in cheek meant that NATO is willing to "volunteer" ukranians to suffer casualties by the thousands on their behalf.
But yea, peacekeepers work best when they are recognized by both sides. If only one side recognizes them.... they're not really "peacekeepers" they're participants....
So the UK unilaterally deciding to send "peacekeepers" doesn't just make them peacekeepers by decree, they are essentially putting themselves in position to be static defensive participants.
Opposition to Zelensky policies is growing in Ukraine. He is to blame for not making a peace deal on much better terms in 2022.
New scandals emerging on weekly basis. Apparently high ranking officials in SBU (Ukrainian FBI) were involved in drug trafficking and other criminal enterprises. Not according to Russian sources, but according to Western investigations by NABU.
AZOV is kidnapping people all over Ukraine and holding them for ransom, awol and draft dodgers. Some are tortured and mutilated, what they used to do in Donbass to pro-Russian activists, they are doing now everywhere else.
New scandals emerging on weekly basis. Apparently high ranking officials in SBU (Ukrainian FBI) were involved in drug trafficking and other criminal enterprises. Not according to Russian sources, but according to Western investigations by NABU.
AZOV is kidnapping people all over Ukraine and holding them for ransom, awol and draft dodgers. Some are tortured and mutilated, what they used to do in Donbass to pro-Russian activists, they are doing now everywhere else.
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spat
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Or, maybe Russia is running away from the billions spent and hundreds of thousands of Russians sacrificed hasn't allowed them to defeat Ukraine ?
What *are* they fighting for again ? Is Russia really that short on muddy farmland ?
spat
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You act like there isn't mandatory conscription in Russia too.
Do you think the land mines and unexploded ordinance will be ready to pick come spring?
Russian conscripts are rarely used in the war theater.
spat
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spat
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Should be a bumper harvest.
spat
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How about now ?
You call the current situation a strategic victory for Russia?
This is insanity. Yet putin keeps on going. I don't know how this war ends but ultimately this is bad news for Russia.
Ukraine is losing the war. Costly victory is still a victory. It's comming.
Ever hear of a pyrrhic victory?
They gained territory and people.
spat
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I still think Russia loses.
But, even if they keep some territory, it would be a Phyrric victory at best.
I could see them ending up with less territory than they started with.
Robin
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You got yer Bagdad Bob, and then there's Moscow Mosie!
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spat
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Putin is stuck.
If he'd known what he was getting into he never would have started.
But he can't back down now.
The only way out for Russia is leadership change, so the new guys can blame Putin for the mess.
If Putin backs out on his own, he's done for.
Your whole life is a lie, from 1st grade till the day you die.
holdover
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What the Russians have been doing is pounding all the bridges across the Dnipier river for the last 2 weeks , if they are successful , and keep applying pressure on the front , the situation for Ukraine becomes unsustainable in Western Ukraine. Ukraine will be able to get some supplys across by boat plane and helicopter pontoon bridges but its going to be far short than the requirements needed
Ill just take a ball park guess at 500K troops more or less on that side of the river . thats 500K meals that need to supplied every day , not including fuel medical supply's artillery rounds ect.
its resembling WW2 . but at least the Germans had a lot of horses to eat to get by, Ukis situation is far worse in my opinion , then you have the snows coming soon , on unplowed roads , this winter looks more and more like a disaster to me.
Cutting the bridges across the Dniper river has always been the key to collasping the Ukraine army in the west , why it wasnt dont years ago is beyond my comprehension . but now it tells me the Russians are playing hard ball . and the west is concerned the Russians might pull it off
holdover
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There is a very high chance that this ends in a full scale nuclear war , If the Ukraine front collapses, and theres a good chance it will. Plan B for NATO is to send in ""Peacekeepers"" which Russia not only will attack but consider it as NATO entering the war and open season on their home country's
this is like an unmovable force meets an unstoppable object , neither side is going to back down ,
holdover
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Russia is holding around 25% of Ukraine territory That Ukraine cant get back .how you consider this a victory for Ukraine is delusional .
For certain Russia isnt doing really good , but they are moving forward albeit at a snails pace , but not losing ground .
For certain Russia isnt doing really good , but they are moving forward albeit at a snails pace , but not losing ground .