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What's that popular saying about voting your way into communism ? It's possible in NY you might get out without actual gunfire, but the place is going to have to burn down on it's own first.

There is a specific process described. By definition that's the process they are due, until a court rules otherwise. The main reason that it's much looser than the process for a criminal conviction is that it's much easier to rectify. Someone who is deported erroneously can simply come back...

I would call any pardon that doesn't list specific people by name, but rather describes a class of people a blanket pardon. The biggest one was when Lincoln pardoned basically the whole confederacy.

They really don't want to escalate this to the point where people use their "icewatch" app to lure them into an ambush. But the way things are going, it's going to get there.

Imagine, they impeach Kristi, and Trump appoints someone who will actually prosecute people LOL.

Proving conclusively that the 3rd world is a mentality and not a location.

They are 100% entitled to due process. Everyone is entitled to due process. But due process for deportation doesn't look like due process for incarceration. Just like the rules for a civil trial for a lawsuit don't look like the rules for a criminal trial. The current standard for...

You prioritize the worst, with the understanding that the goal is to deport every single illegal. So, when you arrest Juan pedo, you're likely to find a half dozen of his associates during the process, some of whom might only be guilty of illegal immigration. But, you deport them too, because...

While I do not have law enforcement experience, I do have formal education on use of force law. The differences between law enforcement and ordinary citizen's justification are very limited and specific. Basically law enforcement doesn't have a duty to retreat in a few cases where ordinary...

Most of the ones out here even have an SOT so they can deal with NFA as well. Weird seeing suppressors in with the used cameras and power tools.

Imagine hiring a hit man and then claiming it was just speech so it's protected. This is like that. And he did a lot worse than trespassing.

Remember, half of America would vote for the Hitler/Stalin ticket if the DNC told them to. They're idiots, and they're only really useful as voters for the cause, because they certainly don't contribute anything else to society.

If you intended this to be a private discussion with Rocpo, then you should have done it in a DM and not a public forum. By posting it here the invitation for anyone with an opinion to join is implicit. I have pointed out your error about use of force multiple times, but I will re-iterate...

"Caping for my boy" ? Way to illustrate *why* he doesn't want to engage. Do you have any actual logical or factual arguments to make to support your position, or are we just down to Ad Hominem, Ad Nauseum ?

I think he was clear that he didn't care to engage with you on this topic. I can understand why.

What statement did I make that you question ? And it's irrelevant that he was disarmed unless the officers who fired *knew* he had been disarmed. Use of force law in every jurisdiction in the US is based on what the user of that force reasonably believed. Whether they were correct is...

Read my post #257 above, I think I was pretty clear.

Pretti was there to obstruct federal law enforcement, but that's not why he was killed. He was being arrested for that obstruction when he decided to resist that arrest, but that's not why he was killed either. He brought a gun with him to commit that felony obstruction, but even *that* wasn't...

Was he not paying attention when Maduro said that ?

Cast stupid ballots, win stupid prizes.

Just bring back "only landowners can vote" that we had in the beginning. Amend the constitution if you need to to make it happen. Almost everyone in the cities rents. While plenty of rural people rent as well, it's less common, and it's much easier to own your property in a rural or small...

The real question is "How is that different from the last year". It's not like congress is actually doing anything useful now.

To be fair, Lincolns actions are the origin of much of the loss of freedom we suffer from today.

I think the biggest, and first mistake by ICE that would have prevented Pretti's death was not arresting him for the incident a week earlier. If he was still sitting in jail from that, he'd be alive today.

Don't even need that. Just shut off the EBT cards and they'll burn the cities to the ground themselves.

Yes, people seem to forget what "terrorism" actually is, and they want to apply it to everyone they disagree with. The operative part of the word "terrorism" is terror. A terrorist is someone attempting to effect political change by causing fear in the civilian population. So, violence isn't...

The real problem is that they released him the week before. He should have been safely still in jail at the time from his earlier shenanigans. He would be alive today if the earlier agents hadn't let him go. At this point, I really think they should prioritize prosecuting the useful idiots...

I suspect that there was an ND by the officer who removed the gun. And that was interpreted by other officers who didn't know Pretti had been disarmed at that point as him firing it. While it's a shitty situation all around, the only person breaking the law there was pretti. The officer who...

Don't forget your plate carrier and NODs

You're assuming it's not a full on Smolet situation. The world may never know.

It's technically and financially not a problem. It's politically that you run into a major roadblock. We're not too far away from having the ability to have an AI process every second of video from every body cam and generate a report about every crime it sees. That could get *very* interesting.

Terrorists ? No. But some of them did commit crimes, and not everything everyone did that day was protected by the constitution.

Literally peaceful speech is all it protects. You don't get to harass people who don't want to listen and call it "speech". Likewise, you don't get to call for violence, at least not specific violence.

The constitution guarantees the right to speak freely, and the right to assembly peaceably. Combining those allows protests, within limits. But there is no right for any protest outside of that, so if you assemble peacefully and nobody wants to listen to what you're saying, there is no right...

The Soviets stuck the engines off a Mig15 on a train to clear the tracks. You might be on to something. You can skip the auger and everything and just push the snow directly with the afterburner.

Trump has been in office less than a year. How many of the newly hired officers have even finished training and been deployed to the field ? Are there *any* of the newly hired officers in Minneapolis ? If you were running ICE, even if you did have a huge new batch of officers to use, are...

It's winter in Minnesota. This is easy.

What work would you suggest is more honorable than the work that ICE is doing ? If you don't like immigration law, then lobby to fix it, or sue to overturn it. Demanding that they just stop enforcing it is a ridiculous position. Next you claim ICE is infamous for harassment and assault...

I hear that "untrained officers" line all the time, but it doesn't really seem relevant to these shootings. The guy that shot Renee Goode had been a federal agent since the Obama administration. If he wasn't trained or shouldn't have been hired, you can't blame Trump.

Trump won the popular vote. This guy keeps using the word "democracy", I don't think it means what he thinks it means.

Don't fall for the trap. He wasn't killed because he was carrying. He wasn't killed as punishment for anything. Whether or not he "deserved" to die is irrelevant. Even if he was the biggest scumbag to ever visit epstein island and he really *did* deserve to die, that's not why ICE shot him...

He's shifting the goalposts. Nobody is calling for deporting all non-citizens. Just the illegals. Lots of legal permanent residents, they are welcome to stay.

They're just using the Hamas model. They're one step shy of strapping toddlers to rockets and then blaming Isreal for not catching them safely over there. And the useful idiots over here are directly responsible for that.

Carrying to a protest, I agree with. But if you're going to do that, then don't involve yourself with any shenanigans. If you intend to do anything more than protest, and less than a full send violent resistance, then leave the gun at home. Basically, as soon as you have a gun, then violence...

Build the plant big enough, and you can just call the pacific ocean your reservoir. But, to keep it from being a boondoggle, the right way to do this is for the government to just guarantee to buy a volume of fresh water over a long period of time, say x million gallons a day for the next 15...

What they need to do is switch the focus away from just deportation and onto the people interfering. The directive should be to prioritize the arrest of the people interfering over the deportation. Then use the deportations as bait to put the miscreants away. If they really wanted to, they...

You're not wrong about the standard, but I'm not so sure you're right that it wouldn't be met in those circumstances. What would it take in your opinion for a reasonable officer to fear serious injury in those circumstances ? IMHO, just that the guy fighting on the bottom of the dog pile...

I've seen lots of people *say* that, but I haven't seen any actual proof. They show a grainy video of an agent with a gun, but I have not seen anything that proves that was the gun that Pretti had. On top of that, the standard for self defense (as we all know) doesn't require him to have been...

The problem with people on the left is that they think this is a game. It's not. You cooperate right up until it's time to resist. But if you decide it's time to resist, then you'd better be planning to kill every single one of them, because that's what it's going to take. You do *not*...

There are no blue states. Just tiny blue cities in a massive sea of red countryside. How much of that fresh water is *in* a city LOL.