“Imitation weapons” bills pass Senate
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Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Ummm....yawn?
Another solution in search of a problem.
Personally, I can't wait until the police actually arrest someone for practicing with an airsoft Glock pistol in their backyard when that same person is legally permitted to own and carry a real Glock pistol. Try explaining to a jury that the "imitation" Glock pistol is especially dangerous in the hands of someone who is permitted by the State of New York to carry a real firearm. I'll volunteer to be on that jury...or, just to watch the trial with popcorn and a soda.
Another solution in search of a problem.
Personally, I can't wait until the police actually arrest someone for practicing with an airsoft Glock pistol in their backyard when that same person is legally permitted to own and carry a real Glock pistol. Try explaining to a jury that the "imitation" Glock pistol is especially dangerous in the hands of someone who is permitted by the State of New York to carry a real firearm. I'll volunteer to be on that jury...or, just to watch the trial with popcorn and a soda.
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spat
.950 JDJ
If there is a protest against this, everyone should show up with airsoft.
Then sue them because the airsoft gun is a protest sign.
Then sue them because the airsoft gun is a protest sign.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
So let's be clear on a few things. This is General Business Law. It's bullshit, but this is NOT penal law.
This has to do with the SALE of these imitation weapons in the first place into the state. It is not changing the penal law definition of a firearm. This portion is not changing:
codes.findlaw.com
Once the sale is complete, there is nothing preventing you from doing what you wish with the "imitation weapon" so long as you are not brandishing it in public outside an airsoft field.
Also, this is the maximum penalty if they even want to pursue it: New York Consolidated Laws, General Business Law - GBS § 873 | FindLaw
The max penalty for bringing such a firearm into the state without the orange markings required in the first place, is $1000 if pursued. It does not list a criminal penalty only a civil fine.
This has to do with the SALE of these imitation weapons in the first place into the state. It is not changing the penal law definition of a firearm. This portion is not changing:
New York Consolidated Laws, General Business Law - GBS § 872 | FindLaw
New York General Business Law GBS NY GEN BUS Section 872. Read the code on FindLaw
codes.findlaw.com
Once the sale is complete, there is nothing preventing you from doing what you wish with the "imitation weapon" so long as you are not brandishing it in public outside an airsoft field.
Also, this is the maximum penalty if they even want to pursue it: New York Consolidated Laws, General Business Law - GBS § 873 | FindLaw
The max penalty for bringing such a firearm into the state without the orange markings required in the first place, is $1000 if pursued. It does not list a criminal penalty only a civil fine.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
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spat
.950 JDJ
What about 80% imitation guns ?So let's be clear on a few things. This is General Business Law. It's bullshit, but this is NOT penal law.
This has to do with the SALE of these imitation weapons in the first place into the state. It is not changing the penal law definition of a firearm. This portion is not changing:
New York Consolidated Laws, General Business Law - GBS § 872 | FindLaw
New York General Business Law GBS NY GEN BUS Section 872. Read the code on FindLaw
Once the sale is complete, there is nothing preventing you from doing what you wish with the "imitation weapon" so long as you are not brandishing it in public outside an airsoft field.
Also, this is the maximum penalty if they even want to pursue it: New York Consolidated Laws, General Business Law - GBS § 873 | FindLaw
The max penalty for bringing such a firearm into the state without the orange markings required in the first place, is $1000 if pursued. It does not list a criminal penalty only a civil fine.
Can I still sell airsoft parts kits ?
What if I sell a barreled airsoft receiver, and you have to finish it off with real furniture ?
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
FOR SALE .. CHEEP TOO .. U pick ... like shopping for a real Christmas tree .. and BTW .. they have hand grenades on them too ..
good old business laws .. since they cant add it to a real law ..
can we add in some custom painting on the sticks when you pick ? lol ..
good old business laws .. since they cant add it to a real law ..
can we add in some custom painting on the sticks when you pick ? lol ..
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Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
There is a reason for this. If kids don’t play with guns they think it’s out of sight out of mind and they won’t want one when they grow up. Any truth to it? I haven’t researched it, but there’s a reason for this. Same reason we say take a kid shooting.
ManualF150
.308 Win
So what about airguns (pellet guns)? I use those to small game hunt. Does that mean that is now illegal? Or will this prohibit me from purchasing these said devices online?
I read the bill and it is extremely confusing and vague.
Who has the time to come up with this shit?
I read the bill and it is extremely confusing and vague.
Who has the time to come up with this shit?
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Pop tarts here we come....
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
i got shot last night with a orby gun .. .. who do i call lol ..
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I would think no, but they are smarter than me.
gunpoliticsny
6.5 Creedmoor
The bill has passed the legislature.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
so from S-687 this only effects NYC
Still don't care.
Even were it to cover the whole State...
I'm done listening to liars and oath breakers.
spat
.950 JDJ
I am so happy we got out of that shithole.
Pissed Off Patriot
.223 Rem
It's all about erasing our gun culture.
Eventually it will be so bad that someone seeing you just bringing your gun in a case to the car to go target shooting will be enough to get you red flagged
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
Once again this applies to the dealing of these "imitation weapons" not ownership. This is general business law, not penal law. It sucks, but it has virtually no bearing once you're in possession of the the imitation weapon. You can paint or remove all such markings if you're not dealing in these things, and the max penalty, as I stated above, is $1000. This does almost nothing to effect how airsoft guns are sold and used in this state. It's "feel good" legislation.
Pissed Off Patriot
.223 Rem
So this applies to me if I sell this imitation weapon?
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
Once you own the airsoft gun, the business law no longer applies. Only penal law applies once you are in possession. You can do whatever you want to it, since it isn't a firearm. You should be careful and not brandish it, obviously, but there is no requirement to have these markings outside of a business context.
Furthermore, it doesn't apply to "solely for subsequent transportation in interstate commerce" per New York Consolidated Laws, General Business Law - GBS § 872 | FindLaw, so airsoft guns that are purchased and simply passing through to the owners from my understanding. So this would effect more local ships and dealers, if at all.
Furthermore the law is crafty (the new one) and it leaves an easy out right in the new law. "(d) has legibly stamped thereon, the name of the manufacturer or some 22 trade name, mark or brand by which the manufacturer can be readily iden- 23 tified; and"
So they can simply put a sticker on it saying the manufacturer that is legible and obvious, since no where in the new law does it say the stamp must be "permanent" only legible. It doesn't define what "stamped" consists of, basically, so it will likely be just stickers thrown on the side with manufacturer.
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Fuck NY
Leave the shit hole and all its Progressivism to the Libertards and their over zealous ridiculousness...
Let them eat their own fucking cake! Let them figure out how to pay for it too, when nobody is left, but the snowflakes mooching off their grandparents and suckling on the Govt nipple!
I'm counting the days!
Will miss the land, the nature and what is "was"... But it's all gone now. No use crying over spilt milk!
Leave the shit hole and all its Progressivism to the Libertards and their over zealous ridiculousness...
Let them eat their own fucking cake! Let them figure out how to pay for it too, when nobody is left, but the snowflakes mooching off their grandparents and suckling on the Govt nipple!
I'm counting the days!
Will miss the land, the nature and what is "was"... But it's all gone now. No use crying over spilt milk!
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
The problem is that vendors are already scared to ship airsoft "firearms" to New York. Try ordering from Amazon. Many airsoft pistols and rifles come up as "unable to ship to your area" when added to a checkout basket.
Other airsoft vendors will still ship, though.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
Evike ships to NY no problem at all, and their support is top notch. I've had zero issues with direct airsoft retailers and not third parties that don't want to investigate the law like Amazon.