2 Men charged with murder of unarmed man Ahmaud Arbery in GA

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Very confused...

I don't normally go out driving around recording with a cell phone as I'm driving.



Who was the person who made that cell phone recording tape? Were they involved or affiliated? Or is it just completely normal for then to drive around with a camera phone?


My question is, it may help figuring out a motive, intent and what led up to this encounter. (Just like the Covington school kids DC field trip, not everything is as portrayed in a video or picture)



On the surface, the video looks really bad.

But, as many have pointed out it's not the first nor will it be last time the media has tried to distort an event to push an agenda.

I'm withholding any sort of a formal opinion until more is known.

Right now, it doesn't look good for the father/son shooters but I don't know all the surrounding facts.

 

[Blimey]

Jogging/walking/driving etc. while Black is a legitimate hazard.

"They tried to stop him. For what? Jogging? Were they going to arrest him for jogging? kidnap him? Have a word with him? Why did they target him?"

Do you realize how many times the cops have been called either on me, or other Black folks I know, simply for entering into public spaces that white folks have decided are their own personal fiefdoms? That these two individuals would take "the law" into their own hands is simply an extension of the attitude that the "Karens" of this country have.

But these guys did not stop him for jogging. They stopped him because they believed he was involved in burglary or trespassing or something. You're being dishonest saying he was stopped for jogging. Also, I haven't seen anybody excuse what they did in this thread, and I'm not. They are in deep trouble and overstepped the line, but I think it's important to draw the distinction between two guys playing cop and two guys out hunting black people.

 

[Blimey]

Very confused...

I don't normally go out driving around recording with a cell phone as I'm driving.



Who was the person who made that cell phone recording tape? Were they involved or affiliated? Or is it just completely normal for then to drive around with a camera phone?


My question is, it may help figuring out a motive, intent and what led up to this encounter. (Just like the Covington school kids DC field trip, not everything is as portrayed in a video or picture)



On the surface, the video looks really bad.

But, as many have pointed out it's not the first nor will it be last time the media has tried to distort an event to push an agenda.

I'm withholding any sort of a formal opinion until more is known.

Right now, it doesn't look good for the father/son shooters but I don't know all the surrounding facts.

Is that the "third" person who was involved? Yes, absolutely something needs to be explained about who filmed that and why. It wasn't a dash cam video.

 

[Doc8404]

"The zoo."
This young man was someone's son. Circle back when your kid is murdered by a couple entitled, zealous yokels with another flippant comment...clown.

Clown? careful. If I was like you, I would report it and you would get your comment deleted for a personal attack.

Maybe then you can pull your card out.

zoo.

if anyone comes out and starts rioting and destorying shit, they act like animals.

thus zoo.

don't try the race thing with me bro.

I talked to a black guy the other day! So there, i'm no racist. LMAO.

Now put your broad brush and card away.

 

[Doc8404]

After reading about this story it looks like there was no justification for the shooting and the two people should be arrested. New facts might change my position but that is what the evidence leads me to conclude.

My main point however is - why did this become a national story when there are other stories of white joggers being murdered by non-white people?

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Please note this is not an attempt to say the shooters in GA should be freed. From the evidence available thus far it is hard to see how they could have possibly justified the shooting.

My point is there are all kinds of crimes that are committed every day. Why are certain ones determined to be "national news" while others are not? Why do the crimes that get national publicity tend to support a certain narrative when other crimes that support a different narrative ignored? Are the crimes that get national attention purposely selected to advance a particular narrative while the stories that might counteract that narrative suppressed? As the saying goes "inquiring minds want to know."

agreed. and I hope they fry if the current details are right.

 

[Doc8404]

Ahmaud Arbery killing: man called 911 to report 'black male running' prior to shooting

Recordings of 911 calls obtained by the Guardian provide details on the moments before a man was shot while jogging in Georgia

www.theguardian.com

These are the 911 recordings.

Again, just posting facts to assist in the story being told.

From the 911 calls, this is not the first time someone has been prowling around the new construction sites.

as soon as he said "black male" some just throw the card out there!

Lord forbid someone calls and provides a description...like white, black, brown, short, tall.....

 

[Blimey]

Are you really that insulated? Wow.

Just to close the loop on this: I was right. Here is video of him trespassing before, so the “going out for a jog” narrative was a lie, as most of us suspected.

Cops review new video of man who appears to be Ahmaud Arbery

Arbery, 25, was out jogging in Brunswick on February 23, before he was shot dead by father and son Gregory and Travis McMichael, who had trailed him in a white pick-up truck.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Saltwater60]

Just to close the loop on this: I was right. Here is video of him trespassing before, so the “going out for a jog” narrative was a lie, as most of us suspected.

Cops review new video of man who appears to be Ahmaud Arbery

Arbery, 25, was out jogging in Brunswick on February 23, before he was shot dead by father and son Gregory and Travis McMichael, who had trailed him in a white pick-up truck.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The headline of the article is as follows.
Cops review new video of man who appears to be Ahmaud Arbery just minutes before his killing walking into building site before running off as experts say it will not alter prosecution of father and son

While I agree with you I’m sure he’s not an angel but trespassing is not a reason for deadly physical force.
I’ve looked into the windows of a newly built house. I’m not a thief so this proves nothing really.

 

[livingston]

The headline of the article is as follows.
Cops review new video of man who appears to be Ahmaud Arbery just minutes before his killing walking into building site before running off as experts say it will not alter prosecution of father and son

While I agree with you I’m sure he’s not an angel but trespassing is not a reason for deadly physical force.
I’ve looked into the windows of a newly built house. I’m not a thief so this proves nothing really.

Still could have gone for a jog and could have detoured to see the style of house that was being built... Could have been curious as to what brand windows they were installing. Something as simple as that.

 

[Toecutter]

Even if he robbed the place , he is running away you cant just shoot the guy.

 

[Blimey]

The headline of the article is as follows.
Cops review new video of man who appears to be Ahmaud Arbery just minutes before his killing walking into building site before running off as experts say it will not alter prosecution of father and son

While I agree with you I’m sure he’s not an angel but trespassing is not a reason for deadly physical force.
I’ve looked into the windows of a newly built house. I’m not a thief so this proves nothing really.

Nobody has said he deserved to die for trespassing.

I have often gone into new construction. Even been stopped by a cop once for it.

It does prove these guys were not just out hunting for black guys. As those of us who study history well knew.

 

[holdover]

Still could have gone for a jog and could have detoured to see the style of house that was being built... Could have been curious as to what brand windows they were installing. Something as simple as that.

That's absolutely true. But it also shreds the medias story that two men randomly shot and killed a man just because he was black. Thats not what happened. The video and the phone transcript with the police supports the mens story that they believed they were trying to stop a thief.

That does not justify what happened. It only explains the motive. He may have been completely innocent . CNN is spinning this as a hate crime based on color, not facts. The video and phone transcript support that .

Regardless, their actions resulted in the death of man and they are going to have to pay for it.

 

[DoD1776]

So here’s my thoughts: These 2 guys are sacks of shit from what the video shows

and people only get pissed when it’s White on Black not black on black or black on white. They’re the problem as well.

 

[Blimey]

So here’s my thoughts: These 2 guys are sacks of shit from what the video shows

and people only get pissed when it’s White on Black not black on black or black on white. They’rE the problem as well.

Media loves it. Promotes racism. That’s why you end up with people so ungrounded and racist themselves they think there are still whites people who grab nooses and shotguns and go out hunting fer black fellers.

 

[GOPerfect]

If one were to really watch the video of the shooting, it would be seen that a struggle ensued. This is important part of the story. Did the dead guy attack the shooter? Or did the shooter attack the dead guy. Did the dead guy attack because he was fearful of the shooter because he had a gun? Did the shooter just have the gun, or did he threaten the dead guy with it?

These are important questions? Is having a gun in itself, a threat?

 

[GOPerfect]

Again, this entire No Justice, No Peace crap...


The two were arrested. A full investigation is being done. What Justice? Sounds like some of these people want to hang these two prior to a trial!

 

[GOPerfect]

This was not a lynching!

 

[holdover]

I was considering that too. once the struggle began each man had reason to fear the other would shoot him . Each was in a life or death struggle for the weapon. But then I remembered , that an aggressor cannot claim self defense. Like if you were in a struggle with a mugger with gun and he killed you, He cant claim self defense. I think the courts would see it as the armed men were the aggressors and did pursue the man. So regardless if the man attacked the armed man I think it can be said he did it out of desperation or saw no other choice, I dont know.

 

[holdover]

The interesting thing is that had this been two uniformed police officers , It would be dismissed as clear self defense. That's something to chaw on.

 

[GOPerfect]

I was considering that too. once the struggle began each man had reason to fear the other would shoot him . Each was in a life or death struggle for the weapon. But then I remembered , that an aggressor cannot claim self defense. Like if you were in a struggle with a mugger with gun and he killed you, He cant claim self defense. I think the courts would see it as the armed men were the aggressors and did pursue the man. So regardless if the man attacked the armed man I think it can be said he did it out of desperation or saw no other choice, I dont know.

It looks like the shooter was the aggressor, was he really? Really in the eyes of the law? Having a shotgun does not point directly to guilt. This is one of those times where I wished we had an entire video.

Did the shooter take a shotgun to ensure his safety in wanting to talk to the guy? Was he bringing it to threaten the guy? Did he bring it only to show force?

These are important questions and need to be looked into and answered.

 

[holdover]

watching the video as the car turns the corner. The truck is parked with the door open and a man standing there. the runner approaches the truck and it appears the man reached inside and grabbed the weapon, The runner sees this and runs around the front of the truck and grabs the weapon. We can see the gunman's feet never left the front of the truck .So the runner did actually initiate the attack. But Im not sure if that matters, because it can be argued that it was an act of self defense.

So who is the aggressor , the men trying to stop him or man running?

 

[spat]

watching the video as the car turns the corner. The truck is parked with the door open and a man standing there. the runner approaches the truck and it appears the man reached inside and grabbed the weapon, The runner sees this and runs around the front of the truck and grabs the weapon. We can see the gunman's feet never left the front of the truck .So the runner did actually initiate the attack. But Im not sure if that matters, because it can be argued that it was an act of self defense.

So who is the aggressor , the men trying to stop him or man running?

IMHO, the first person to commit a crime should be the aggressor.

It really should be that simple.

 

[Blimey]

This was not a lynching!

As usual the first narrative out catches the mind, and simple people run with it. Lots of people referring to him simply as a jogger. Just a guy going for a run.

 

[GOPerfect]

As usual the first narrative out catches the mind, and simple people run with it. Lots of people referring to him simply as a jogger. Just a guy going for a run.

Yep, hands up, don't shoot... Just our jogging... Gentle giant, just a kid and iced tea....

Makes no difference.

 

[holdover]

IMHO, the first person to commit a crime should be the aggressor.

It really should be that simple.

Supposing the runner was armed. Would he be justified to shoot after being stopped by unknown men with weapons?

 

[Saltwater60]

So here’s my thoughts: These 2 guys are sacks of shit from what the video shows

and people only get pissed when it’s White on Black not black on black or black on white. They’rE the problem as well.

Doesn’t mean or show they are sacks of shits. They may very well have thought he was the guy robbing the neighborhood and they were helping out the neighborhood. The guy was a cop and an investigator for the DA/courts from what I heard.
By this all I mean is I don’t think they woke up that morning and said I’m going to kill someone or targeted him. I do think they thought they knew the law and they were doing the right thing.
Situations spiral out of control quickly and I think that’s a lesson we should all take away from this before we act with a firearm.
There’s more to this story for sure.

 

[spat]

Supposing the runner was armed. Would he be justified to shoot after being stopped by unknown men with weapons?

Had they committed a crime yet ?

 

[meketrefe]

It seems to me people like trouble. Why are they confronting the runner instead of staying in their cars and calling the police to deal with it?
They don't know if they are dealing with an innocent person, a thug or simply a mentally unstable individual.

 

[Robin]

Move on, they are guilty. I saw it on TV.
Robin

 

[holdover]

Had they committed a crime yet ?

Trespassing.