spat
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I thought they were on a public road at the time ?
2 Men charged with murder of unarmed man Ahmaud Arbery in GA
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holdover
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They were. He was seen trespassing on a new home site . There is video of him going in and new video of him inside . Thes two goons probably had no idea it was a new home site. They were community watch and somebody may have called to say he was breaking in a house. They took them at their word , and ran the guy down . not knowing what really happened at all.
But assuming he did have a gun , could he use it in self defense ? He has no idea who these freaks are with guns , has no idea he was seen entering a new construction site. these two yahoos pull up with shotguns . I feel he would have every right to defend himself . I don't know how the courts would see it , But I would do the same thing.
But assuming he did have a gun , could he use it in self defense ? He has no idea who these freaks are with guns , has no idea he was seen entering a new construction site. these two yahoos pull up with shotguns . I feel he would have every right to defend himself . I don't know how the courts would see it , But I would do the same thing.
FrankenCub
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holdover
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holdover
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From what I heard the two guys personally observed him leaving the house ,
Mr. terzmo
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Two armed white guys and one Black man. The white guys handled this very poorly.
Just to close the loop on this: I was right. Here is video of him trespassing before, so the “going out for a jog” narrative was a lie, as most of us suspected.
Cops review new video of man who appears to be Ahmaud Arbery
Arbery, 25, was out jogging in Brunswick on February 23, before he was shot dead by father and son Gregory and Travis McMichael, who had trailed him in a white pick-up truck.www.dailymail.co.uk
Nah. Twist your own words however you see fit to cater to your head space, but be clear about what I've written in this thread.
I never speculated about what Arbery was doing. **You did that.**
I originally responded to the "zoo" comment. Once you chimed in, incredulous at the notion that the father/son goon squad could even be capable of accosting Arbery for intruding into their domain, I responded, breaking the news to you that it does indeed happen.
Toecutter
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He kinda changed my outlook . He is correct this guy wasnt running away and got shot he attacked a man and tried to wrestle a gun from his possession. At that point he is justified in shooting him. No matter how we feel the evidence will come out in court .
Steal2B
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VIDEO: "Jogger" Narrative Crumbles — Ahmaud Arbery Trespassing Before Fatal Altercation | The Red Elephants
New footage has been released of Ahmaud Arbery trespassing on private property before the fatal altercation with the McMichaels took place. The surveillance footage appears to be from a home security camera installed at a house nearby where the shooting occurred. If this security footage is in...
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REVENGE KILLINGS FOR ARBERY?
Elderly couple Assassinated in Cemetery — Reports Suggest Revenge For Ahmaud Arbery, Shooting May Have Been Racially Motivated | The Red Elephants
A married couple from Maryland ages 85 and 86, visiting the grave of their son who died of cerebral palsy, were victims of a deadly shooting at a veterans cemetery in Delaware mid Friday. The couple would have celebrated their 62nd anniversary this year. The deceased suspect, Sheldon Francis...
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Black Male Who Hunted & Assassinated Elderly Couple inside Veterans cemetery Identified | The Red Elephants
Delaware State Police have identified 29-year-old Sheldon C. Francis of Middletown, as the suspect in the shooting of an elderly couple on the grounds of the Delaware Veterans Memorial Cemetery on Friday. As reported in our previous article A married couple from Maryland ages 85 and 86...
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BREAKING: Black Male Hunts & Assassinates Elderly White Couple In Delaware Cemetery With Scoped Rifle | The Red Elephants
A married couple from Maryland ages 85 and 86 “visiting the grave of their son” were victims of a deadly shooting at a veterans cemetery in Delaware. The Suspect was described as a heavyset black male aged 29, dressed in all black with a black face mask, carrying a rifle with a scope. The...
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spat
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If the outcome had been reversed (say he was armed and managed to dispatch both of them) you are right, he would have had a very strong case for self defense.
If is a flaw in our self defense law that 2 people shooting at each other can both have a self defense justification, but it is what it is.
It's also a problem that's not easy to fix.
Blimey
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You're twisting enough for both of us. My statements in this thread have proven correct. I said there may be going more on. Early on the story's initial "guy going out for jog killed by white people for jogging" narrative didn't pass the sniff test. And the sniff test is almost always right. You called me "insulated" for daring to consider that these guys were not just out hunting for a black guy.
I was right.
holdover
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Actually,Only the person being attacked can claim self defense. Aggressors cant. But there's the rub ,It can be argued either way in this case , depends on how the jury is going to see it.
Just some food for thought..
Lot of people claim he was trespassing that day, may want to look up the definition per Georgia state law
Lot of people claim he was trespassing that day, may want to look up the definition per Georgia state law
Bob
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It wasnt their property so how were they to say he was there without authority?
Bob
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I'm not arguing one way or the other. These discussions always turn into a shit show. Just pointing out the more applicable section of the statute.
Either way (I actually didnt pull that pic up it was from another post and yes I should have posted the whole law) the law says something very specific and these two had zero reason to do anything other than at the very most called the police and given a statement/report. That is it nothing more
Oh well those two will get their constitutionally granted day in court infront of a jury of their peers to decide how this plays out... cant say the same for Arbery thanks to these two since they decided to take the law into their own hands
2014 Georgia Code
Title 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES
Chapter 7 - DAMAGE TO AND INTRUSION UPON PROPERTY
Article 1 - BURGLARY
§ 16-7-1 - Burglary
c) A person commits the offense of burglary in the second degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant building, structure, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, or aircraft. A person who commits the offense of burglary in the second degree shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than five years. Upon the second and all subsequent convictions for burglary in the second degree, the defendant shall be guilty of a felony and shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than eight years.
No matter how we look at this, after watching the video of inside the home, he is in FACT guilty of this crime. Hands down.
Title 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES
Chapter 7 - DAMAGE TO AND INTRUSION UPON PROPERTY
Article 1 - BURGLARY
§ 16-7-1 - Burglary
c) A person commits the offense of burglary in the second degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant building, structure, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, or aircraft. A person who commits the offense of burglary in the second degree shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than five years. Upon the second and all subsequent convictions for burglary in the second degree, the defendant shall be guilty of a felony and shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than eight years.
No matter how we look at this, after watching the video of inside the home, he is in FACT guilty of this crime. Hands down.
Looks like some of what, "we the members" posted early on was correct. Hum, what do you think of that.
Wasn't such a saint after all. More lies being told by some will continue to be chanted...
"No Justice, No Peace" and "Shot/Killed while Running". Two lies that will spread. Tee shirts will be created, protests will turn into riots and damage to property. Family will come and talk about how he was changing his life for the better. Wanted to back to school... and on and on and on.
Wasn't such a saint after all. More lies being told by some will continue to be chanted...
"No Justice, No Peace" and "Shot/Killed while Running". Two lies that will spread. Tee shirts will be created, protests will turn into riots and damage to property. Family will come and talk about how he was changing his life for the better. Wanted to back to school... and on and on and on.
Blimey
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I think they made a good guess. Then they decided they would stop him from getting away with a criminal act (btw I'm not saying it's a huge deal. I have done it and will in the future) and took their guns along to do it. It really looks like their reaction was absolutely insane, but I do take issue with the initial, simpleton's narrative that the media has run with that this guy was going out for a jog and shot for jogging while black.
I'm not trying to argue that he was just out for a jog or anything. Just pointing out a few things..
FrankenCub
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Let's all be honest here. The comment fits perfectly. It's not directed at any specific race, it's directed at specific parts of any community based on their behavior. Perfect examples also include ANTIFA and the pussy hat peeps. Which are predominant white. They act as if they escaped a zoo acting like animals. I have very close friends who are black and they think the same as most on this forum when it comes to the behavior of some communities. Why act like a rational adult when it's so much easier to destroy shit like a spoiled child. Do you seriously support that kind of behavior?
I don't, from any one.
Celt
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Wonder what happens to the white guy that drives into the "hood"? Well, i can tell you that cops will profile him and pull him over. Sometimes get him out of the car and illegally search his vehicle. Its not something that only happens to black people. Take that same white guy and let him walk through "the wrong hood" at night, I would imagine he will be confronted by the "neighborhood watch". It happens to anyone that doesnt fit in the area he is found. This will happen to white trailer trash found in nice white neighborhoods too. Black people as a whole dont own victimhood, individuals claim it, and wrongly claim it on behalf of an entire race.
Thats not to say that racism doesnt exist as it does, and its wrong to blindly hate someone for their race alone. But stereotypes exist for a reason, and no one is immune to stereotypes. Cops, and non cops will make judgements on people based on outward appearance, its a survival instinct. Cops call it profiling, I call it situational awareness.
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spat
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Well, that assumes the situation starts with an actual attack.
And not 2 parties who both assume incorrectly that they are being attacked.
Steal2B
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Black Georgia man, 20, is arrested for setting up fake Facebook page in support of Ahmaud Arbery's two killers and threatening protesters who paid their respects at the spot where the 25-year-old jogger was 'lynched'
Rashawn Smith, 20, is alleged to have created a fake Facebook page which he then used to send 'hoax' threats to protesters demanding justice in the fatal shooting of Ahmaud Arbery
Rashawn Smith, 20, is alleged to have created a fake Facebook page which he then used to send 'hoax' threats to protesters demanding justice in the fatal shooting of Ahmaud Arbery
meketrefe
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Maybe he was thinking about committing a burglary on a later date? ....Minority report anyone?
It is sad that people will put themselves in that precarious situation where there is little moral and perhaps
legal justification for taking someone's life. Just get the fuck away from trouble and those stupid situations.
It is sad that people will put themselves in that precarious situation where there is little moral and perhaps
legal justification for taking someone's life. Just get the fuck away from trouble and those stupid situations.
Celt
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Thats the act of someone trying to start a race war.
Cleck
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DWB is definitely a thing. My lawyer friend says his wife gets pulled over for it every few months in their neighborhood, until they see the address/name and let her go.
This is the part that I don't get. Is the part I have in bold the key to the whole crime? It says they commit the offense when they enter or remain occupied in those areas when they don't have authority and they intend to commit a felony or theft. Is the intent the key here? So if you don't intend to commit a felony or theft, are you then not committing anything? I hate legalese. If that's 2D burglary, then shit, I've been guilty of that before, just by snooping around and not doing anything. Unless there's more to that video than him just walking up/in and looking around curious, but I don't see anything.
As discussed already, these guys definitely did this all wrong. Here's a question - if their neighbors had said "somebody" has been breaking and entering in the neighborhood and now somebody has been spotted in a house right now, do those boys grab their guns to go confront the person the same way? Who died and left them in charge of the neighborhood and gave them the authority to rule it w/ force? I don't know how gun laws work in Georgia, but what if they just called the cops and said, "We got him" and they kept him corralled until the police showed up, would they be in any sort of trouble for leaving the house with guns to detain this guy? It's not the old west anymore, this isn't Josey Wales and we don't have bounty hunters like that anymore, so what of their actions had they not shot the guy?
I think the feelings from the community in this stem from the fact that it took so long to get these guys due to everyone knowing the guy, the DA basically leaving it up to whoever to decide whether or not to arrest them, and the coronavirus interfering. It took way too long to arrest them for what they did.
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