2 Men charged with murder of unarmed man Ahmaud Arbery in GA

[holdover]

""DWB is definitely a thing.""

It is a thing, Ive seen it myself many times. But so is driving while white in the hood. If your white, driving through the hood at 2AM in a jaguar or BMW , guess what? You stick out like a sore thumb, Your automatically suspicious, same with a black driver in a white neighbor hood with a ganster car at 2 am. Problem is , people dont understand that an officer is trained to observe the unusual. That's his job!

 

[Celt]

""DWB is definitely a thing.""

It is a thing, Ive seen it myself many times. But so is driving while white in the hood. If your white, driving through the hood at 2AM in a jaguar or BMW , guess what? You stick out like a sore thumb, Your automatically suspicious, same with a black driver in a white neighbor hood with a ganster car at 2 am. Problem is , people dont understand that an officer is trained to observe the unusual. That's his job!

I was typing out a near identical post, but you saved me the effort.

My step son has been pulled over countless times with cops threatening to get the drug dogs and harrassing him to search his car (he had some eye catching stickers on his window, and everyone wears hats or hoodies in that age group). We live in a rural/suburban area and the driving age teenagers get pulled over all the time with cops looking for drugs and alcohol. You could label this DWY driving while young.

Cops know their areas, meaning the personality of their jurisdiction. They know when areas have drug issues, or alcohol issues, etc.. so its a bit of a fishing expedition. The law of averages comes into play. If you pull over enough young white kids, in an area where there are known drug problems you will eventually get what youre looking for. But, that means you needlessly harrass a bunch of young people, who are easily intimated, and dont know their rights well enough.

 

[Cleck]

I get it if you're looking suspicious with your cruising or whatever, but if you're just some black woman driving her regular car/van/suv through the neighborhood, why is this happening so much? They let her go as soon as they see her name/address, so they know her husband by name or address at least, they know he's white, why don't they remember this when they see her before they pull her over?

Like I said, I understand time/place and perceived actions/intent, but I can't find that in a normal vehicle during daylight.

I used to have a lowered and poorly painted import during my years of working on cars before I knew my local pd. Was kinda loud, had a bunch of juvenile stickers and graphics on it, and I wasn't exactly the putter around town type. All the time, my friends would complain and talk about how the local pd would pull them over for driving similar vehicles in town, yet they never did mine. They must have learned that I wasn't some kid and that I lived in town, I never got bothered. Interestingly enough, the only time I got pulled over in it was when I was in another town, at night, and they couldn't see who was driving it. I had just dropped my cousin off at home after working at the hospital and despite leaving my wallet at home, they let me go as soon as they saw who I was. Tried to say I was speeding and that's why they stopped me, but we both knew I wasn't. They just weren't expecting to see a 30 year old white male who knew that he hadn't done anything wrong.

 

[Blimey]

I get it if you're looking suspicious with your cruising or whatever, but if you're just some black woman driving her regular car/van/suv through the neighborhood, why is this happening so much? They let her go as soon as they see her name/address, so they know her husband by name or address at least, they know he's white, why don't they remember this when they see her before they pull her over?

Like I said, I understand time/place and perceived actions/intent, but I can't find that in a normal vehicle during daylight.

I used to have a lowered and poorly painted import during my years of working on cars before I knew my local pd. Was kinda loud, had a bunch of juvenile stickers and graphics on it, and I wasn't exactly the putter around town type. All the time, my friends would complain and talk about how the local pd would pull them over for driving similar vehicles in town, yet they never did mine. They must have learned that I wasn't some kid and that I lived in town, I never got bothered. Interestingly enough, the only time I got pulled over in it was when I was in another town, at night, and they couldn't see who was driving it. I had just dropped my cousin off at home after working at the hospital and despite leaving my wallet at home, they let me go as soon as they saw who I was. Tried to say I was speeding and that's why they stopped me, but we both knew I wasn't. They just weren't expecting to see a 30 year old white male who knew that he hadn't done anything wrong.

I'm sure statisticians have done analyses to break down how much of this is real vs how much is not (I personally have no idea how much), but as for your experience it is possible that your friends drive in ways to invite being pulled over.

 

[meketrefe]

Open carry is legal in GA

Including jumping off the car in the middle of the road with a long gun to confront and/or police people for whateverTF reason?
These modern urban/suburban Rambos need to chilax a little.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Including jumping off the car in the middle of the road with a long gun to confront and/or police people for whateverTF reason?
These modern urban/suburban Rambos need to chilax a little.

Oh dude 100% agree, just stating facts that OC is legal in the state.

 

[meketrefe]

Oh dude 100% agree, just stating facts that OC is legal in the state.

I know you know. But now it doesn't matter what happened or what didn't happen because they are on video and they
look like a pair of executioners from the old "Mississippi burning" times. lets not pretend Trial by Media is not real.

 

[livingston]

 

[camper4lyfe]

I came here to post this.

 

[CaseHardened]

I "bought" the Trayvon Story for about an hour, until I realized NBC was posting a pic of Trayvon as a child, and not the actual murderous adult.

I never "bought" the Mike Brown BS, nor the much older Rodney King crap.

But this story has been out a few days, and so far it looks legit.

Still, it has been blown up WAYYYYY out of proportion by those with an Agenda.

People, of every color, get murdered by People, of every color.

Some are "Hate Crimes", some are not.

99% should be handled locally.

Very sad, but Nationally a Non-Story.

 

[CaseHardened]

Even if this guy was burglarizing homes, killing him should not be justified , he was obviously running away. Follow him ,call the police ,get some clean pics and he would be picked up later there is no hiding in this day and age.
There seems to be more than is being told .

Agreed

 

[GOPerfect]

I "bought" the Trayvon Story for about an hour, until I realized NBC was posting a pic of Trayvon as a child, and not actual the murderous adult.

I never "bought" the Mike Brown BS, nor the much older Rodney King crap.

But this story has been out a few days, and so far it looks legit.

Still, it has been blown up WAYYYYY out of proportion by those with an Agenda.

People, of every color, get murdered by People, of every color.

Some are "Hate Crimes", some are not.

99% should be handled locally.

Very sad, but Nationally a Non-Story.

The term hate crime is a joke! The criminality of it is even worse. The punishment for this made up bullshit term is even worse .

 

[GOPerfect]

Regardless of the verdict, outcome or truth behind this...

This should not be national news. People of all shades and colors kill other people different shades and colors every single day. This one is no different, nor is it special.

 

[Bob]

Regardless of the verdict, outcome or truth behind this...

This should not be national news. People of all shades and colors kill other people different shades and colors every single day. This one is no different, nor is it special.

There's one string that connects this case, the Mike Brown Case, and the Trayvon Martin case. Benjamin Lloyd Crump. Without him, we wouldn't be hearing about any of these cases.

 

[Chevusa]

All parties involved were stupid. I remember when my parents were building a house in a new subdivision we had the code to the lock boxes on all the new houses being built. Me and my friends would go in them and walk around to check them out. It was never a problem. (They weren't sold yet).

I'm not sure how it could be a felony to trespass in this case because to rise to that level the law says you not only have to be there but also have the intent to steal etc. He didn't take anything as far as I know.

Even if he had, grabbing a gun and chasing someone down in your car is really stupid. The only way this would ever be justified was if you did so to interrupt a kidnapping. Lastly the kid is an idiot for trying to fight with someone who's got him at gunpoint. I wonder what would have happened if he had complied. I'm not going to worry myself much with this, I've got my own problems to worry about. Yawn.

 

[camper4lyfe]

All parties involved were stupid. I remember when my parents were building a house in a new subdivision we had the code to the lock boxes on all the new houses being built. Me and my friends would go in them and walk around to check them out. It was never a problem. (They weren't sold yet).

I'm not sure how it could be a felony to trespass in this case because to rise to that level the law says you not only have to be there but also have the intent to steal etc. He didn't take anything as far as I know.

Even if he had, grabbing a gun and chasing someone down in your car is really stupid. The only way this would ever be justified was if you did so to interrupt a kidnapping. Lastly the kid is an idiot for trying to fight with someone who's got him at gunpoint. I wonder what would have happened if he had complied. I'm not going to worry myself much with this, I've got my own problems to worry about. Yawn.

Trespassing isn't a felony. Burglary is. Since he didn't take anything, it wasn't burglary, so no felony.

 

[Chevusa]

Trespassing isn't a felony. Burglary is. Since he didn't take anything, it wasn't burglary, so no felony.

Right. In GA law it said trespassing was a felony if done with intent to steal or commit another felony.

 

[Bob]

And there's no evidence that he even committed trespassing.

 

[Chevusa]

And there's no evidence that he even committed trespassing.

Other than the video of him inside of a structure?

 

[Edwardteach72]

Other than the video of him inside of a structure?

Doesnt meet state law for trespassing

 

[Chevusa]

Doesnt meet state law for trespassing

Maybe not criminal trespass, or felony level, but I'm sure standing inside a home or structure that is not yours with no permission is a form, perhaps a violation of trespass. I'm not taking the time to look it up. It's not my problem. But to think it doesn't exist doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Maybe not criminal trespass, or felony level, but I'm sure standing inside a home or structure that is not yours with no permission is a form, perhaps a violation of trespass. I'm not taking the time to look it up. It's not my problem. But to think it doesn't exist doesn't make a lot of sense.

Maybe go watch that video with Colion Noir (a actual lawyer) he breaks it down.. based on any available evidence that we have no forms of trespassing per GA state law or even more so burglary has been met

 

[Chevusa]

Maybe go watch that video with Colion Noir (a actual lawyer) he breaks it down.. based on any available evidence that we have no forms of trespassing per GA state law or even more so burglary has been met

Nah. Take your word for it.

 

[camper4lyfe]

Maybe not criminal trespass, or felony level, but I'm sure standing inside a home or structure that is not yours with no permission is a form, perhaps a violation of trespass. I'm not taking the time to look it up. It's not my problem. But to think it doesn't exist doesn't make a lot of sense.

It’s not trespassing if he wasn’t told not to be there.

 

[Chevusa]

It’s not trespassing if he wasn’t told not to be there.

Won't make any difference. Those guys are toast anyway. He could have had the TV in one hand and the refrigerator in the other. Still can't chase him down and shoot him.

 

[Blimey]

It’s not trespassing if he wasn’t told not to be there.

No way that is true.

I can’t just decide to go for a walk up some random stranger’s long private driveway and assume I can keep doing it until I’m told explicitly not to. Or turn an estate’s lawn into my own private park. In neither case any damage done and no intent to rob.

 

[Edwardteach72]

No way that is true.

I can’t just decide to go for a walk up some random stranger’s long private driveway and assume I can keep doing it until I’m told explicitly not to. Or turn an estate’s lawn into my own private park. In neither case any damage done and no intent to rob.

Again Georgia LAW

 

[Edwardteach72]

No way that is true.

I can’t just decide to go for a walk up some random stranger’s long private driveway and assume I can keep doing it until I’m told explicitly not to. Or turn an estate’s lawn into my own private park. In neither case any damage done and no intent to rob.

Go watch the video with the actual LAWYER who breaks it down

 

[Blimey]

Again Georgia LAW

I don’t believe it.

The link you originally posted a post afterward included more law covering whag I’m describing.

There is no assumed legality to entering a home under construction just because you haven’t specifically been told not to. Makes no sense; is inconceivable.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I don’t believe it.

The link you originally posted a post afterward included more law covering whag I’m describing.

There is no assumed legality to entering a home under construction just because you haven’t specifically been told not to. Makes no sense; is inconceivable.

Ok watch the video where the fucking lawyer goes over the whole thing