I agree gun permits should be free if not extremely cheap, but as SCOTUS has ruled that permits to possess a gun are Constitutional, I would imagine they would also rule a fee to pay for such permit is within reason as long as the fee directly corrolates to the cost of the permit. Which is probably no more than $20. Fingerprints should be free.
2A Lawsuits and their progress we have here in NY
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spat
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That's not how they ruled on voting.
And we know the cost is largely used to discourage gun ownership by the poor, which is exactly the reason they ruled poll taxes were unconstitutional.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Yeah many are hung up on the amount rather than the fee itself due to deep conditioning. It wouldn't matter if it were $1 to get a permit(license). There should be NO fee. And ultimately NO permit but one step at a time. The only way to make one understand is to keep repeating the comparison of paying to vote. Even if just $1. But I suppose there are some that would be ok with even that and missing the whole point. So maybe this is moot
byron
.308 Win
can you point me to that ruling As far as I know the actual permitting has not been in front of them and they only rule on what's in front of them
Acer-m14
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Yeah many are hung up on the amount rather than the fee itself due to deep conditioning. It wouldn't matter if it were $1 to get a permit(license). There should be NO fee. And ultimately NO permit but one step at a time. The only way to make one understand is to keep repeating the comparison of paying to vote. Even if just $1. But I suppose there are some that would be ok with even that and missing the whole point. So maybe this is moot
i look at it this way .. the armed robber didn't get a permit and nics check .. got caught , did 1/2 yrs .. released .. and did it all over again ..
so why even bother with all the gun control BS and waisted $$$$
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
How many threads are you going to post this on?
masterswimmer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Hopefully as many as necessary to continually call out the troll.
Ah yes, Nygunforum, where having a different opinion other than those from Newsmax means you are a troll. Keep on keepin' on.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Well... so far the score is NYGF 2 Trolls 0.
Saltwater60
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In the Bruen decision they said permits and training for guns are allowed. They then followed up saying they can’t be too expensive, too difficult, or take too long or they could violate the 2a. Since Bruen was all about NYD pistol permitting process I’m not sure what your question is? Was this a direct case of are permit constitutional no, but it was all about permits and how shall issue states handled them with you needing a justification for a concealed carry permit.
maverick52
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And that’s exactly what happens here. The fact that Suffolk in such utter defiance and the judge chose to do nothing shows what we are dealing with.
Saltwater60
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I don’t think that’s the case and if you look at his post history it’s all in the laws and politics threads and nothing on guns or the 2a for the most part. He comes here to post liberal ideas and get a rise out of people just like the last one that was banned. That’s what makes him a troll.
As I’ve said in the past you seem liberal, but you back up your ideas and you participate in the firearms section of a firearms thread. He should join a politics forum if that’s what he wants to discuss. If you’re not bringing gun insight to a gun forum then you shouldn’t be here. he also doesn’t respond or back up his ideas when his thoughts are replied to or asked questions on why he feels that way.
Saltwater60
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No standing? Doesn’t every citizen of Suffolk county have standing that’s legally allowed to possess a firearm? I hate this no standing bullshit.
If you read the Motions in this case (as I did), and now read this utter bullshit Decision by this judge, you will, at a minimum want to throw up and hurl chunks. No standing? What a crock of shit. Suffolk County (as well as other entities within, and part of NYS government) are throwing a mountain of contrived shit in the way of citizens trying to exercise their 2A rights.
Sadly, this will continue to be used to deny rights and delay things getting fixed by SCOTUS in their hope that they can turn SCOTUS before these cases get there.
Words cannot adequately describe my level of disgust.
JRtraderny
.308 Win
Maybe they need to read their law books some more .
Acer-m14
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who said that ?? in another case they also said some RIGHTS are not unlimited .. really ..
it only took how many yrs to say Roe v Wade was wrong and its up to the States ..
there not perfect
the main thing from Bruen .. is to go back to 1791 and the GOVT has to show what law was there on permits back then .. there are none ..
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Acer-m14
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watch this Felon interview and buckle up .. i bet he will go get his permit and training now that he is back out ..
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Acer-m14
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18 usc 241 and 242
18 U.S. Code § 241 - Conspiracy against rights
18 U.S. Code § 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law
Saltwater60
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I believe it was kavanuagh who forced this into there or he wouldn’t sign onto it. I agree there were no permits back then but since the NYSPRA v Bruen was about NYS pistol permits if the Supreme Court struck them down how come we still have them and there’s no lawsuit challenging permits. Wouldn’t that be an easy one then?
They specifically allow for permits and safety training in the Bruen decision. You don’t have to like it but that’s what was said during the ruling.
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
Yes. It was in Kavanagh’s concurrence. That doesn’t mean things can’t be challenged in the future, but for now they’re allowed.
I do believe He DID say that (paraphrasing) they shouldn’t be overly burdensome. So he didn’t completely say they’re ok no matter what. He left it open ended a bit.
nortatoga
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Some may not like all of what History, Text and Tradition says or what they think it says.
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It has to be a national tradition, not a state or area or territory here or there with said laws or prohibitions. So unless it's a historical tradition on a wide scale it can't stand. Random laws don't pass the test. They have tried that already in various courts and their attempts have been rejected.Some may not like all of what History, Text and Tradition says or what they think it says.
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JRtraderny
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That says NY has no protections but NYS Bill of Rights has it in it.Some may not like all of what History, Text and Tradition says or what they think it says.
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nortatoga
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Wrong, look at the number of states that restricted concealed weopons. Scalia mentions it in Heller.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
No reread it, it is in NYS Civil rights law not the State Constitution there is a difference.
I'm talking about the post Bruen cases. I also called in and listened to one of the trials live on conference call where the judge said exactly that. The state tried to make a case of a handful of regulations and it was stated that while the judge wouldn't say exactly how many would need to be there for it to constitute a national tradition, he said it would certainly have to be more than a few and more than the state could find.
Saltwater60
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Correct and I’ve talked about that in other posts how they can’t be too expensive, too difficult to get, or take too long to receive.
I don’t know how it works but if they said they are ok here I doubt any challenge to permits for handguns would be ruled unconstitutional. I agree we didn’t have them in the early days. I could maybe see long gun permits being overturned but I do t see concealable handgun permits being overturned. Just my thoughts and I’m certainly not and expert.
Saltwater60
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This means nothing. Alaska wasn’t even a state when history, text, and tradition was around and established by the Supreme Court, in fact most state were not. This is just saying what the state’s constitution says currently and means nothing in the context of Bruen unless that was the rules between ratification of the US constitution of 1791 and many think up until the 14th amendment was ratified in 1868.Some may not like all of what History, Text and Tradition says or what they think it says.
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Second Amendment Foundation
The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) is dedicated to promoting a better understanding about our Constitutional heritage to privately own and possess firearms. To that end, we carry on many educational and legal action programs designed to better inform the public about the gun control debate.
Saltwater60
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Bruen expanded our rights and it has to be based in history, text, and tradition from certain timeframes. When we’re these state constitutions rarified? If it wasn’t between 1791 and 1868 it’s meaningless. Also one or two outliers do not make it a tradition or the rule of the land per Bruen. The rule between Heller and Bruen have drastically changed in our favor.