7th Circuit: AR-15s Not Protected by Second Amendment 4 Nov 2023

[livingston]

On Friday, a three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit overturned an injunction against Illinois’ “assault weapons” ban, deciding that AR-15s are not protected by the Second Amendment.

Easterbrook and Wood then focused on similarities they found between AR-15s and M16s, the latter of which can be fired in full-auto or three-round burst modes. They wrote:

The similarity between the AR-15 and the M16 only increases when we take into account how easy it is to modify the AR-15 by adding a “bump stock” (as the shooter in the 2017 Las Vegas event had done) or auto-sear to it, thereby making it, in essence, a fully automatic weapon. In a decision addressing a ban on bump stocks enacted by the Maryland legislature, another federal court found that bump-stock devices enable “rates of fire between 400 to 800 rounds per minute.”

They also noted that both guns use the same ammunition and “deliver the same kinetic energy.”

7th Circuit: AR-15s Not Protected by Second Amendment

On Friday, a three-judge panel of the Seventh Circuit decided AR-15s are not protected by the Second Amendment.

www.breitbart.com

 

[Jezman]

Blaaaa blaaaa blllaa lies lie.

 

[spat]

On Friday, a three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit overturned an injunction against Illinois’ “assault weapons” ban, deciding that AR-15s are not protected by the Second Amendment.

Easterbrook and Wood then focused on similarities they found between AR-15s and M16s, the latter of which can be fired in full-auto or three-round burst modes. They wrote:


They also noted that both guns use the same ammunition and “deliver the same kinetic energy.”

7th Circuit: AR-15s Not Protected by Second Amendment

On Friday, a three-judge panel of the Seventh Circuit decided AR-15s are not protected by the Second Amendment.

www.breitbart.com

Since an auto-sear and (currently) a bump stock are considered machine guns on their own, they are complaining that adding a machinegun to an AR15 turns it into a machinegun.

By that logic, a ham sandwich is a machinegun, because if you add a machinegun to it it will become a machinegun.

 

[RedBreast21]

"Notably, the majority was composed of conservative judge Frank Easterbook and liberal judge Diane P. Wood. Conservative judge Michael P. Brennan dissented."

"While gun rights advocates have stressed the similarities with other clearly protected weapons, Easterbrook and Wood stressed the similarities between AR-15s and M16s:

The similarity between the AR-15 and the M16 only increases when we take into account how easy it is to modify the AR-15 by adding a “bump stock” (as the shooter in the 2017 Las Vegas event had done) or auto-sear to it, thereby making it, in essence, a fully automatic weapon. In a decision addressing a ban on bump stocks enacted by the Maryland legislature, another federal court found that bump-stock devices enable “rates of fire between 400 to 800 rounds per minute.”

Well there you have it. Three judge panel with 2-1 conservative to liberal. A conservative judge the deciding vote.

Either he is a traitor to his values or a genius in setting up the case for SCOTUS with the 9th circuit decision.

 

[FP1201]

On Friday, a three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit overturned an injunction against Illinois’ “assault weapons” ban, deciding that AR-15s are not protected by the Second Amendment.

Easterbrook and Wood then focused on similarities they found between AR-15s and M16s, the latter of which can be fired in full-auto or three-round burst modes. They wrote:


They also noted that both guns use the same ammunition and “deliver the same kinetic energy.”

7th Circuit: AR-15s Not Protected by Second Amendment

On Friday, a three-judge panel of the Seventh Circuit decided AR-15s are not protected by the Second Amendment.

www.breitbart.com

I wonder IF the people reading rates of fire understand its a speed versus an actual discharge? Typical Car Engine can turn 6,000 revolutions per minute, but only runs around 2K. Sure you can "bump fire" at a rate of a few hundred rounds a minute, but even with a Drum magazine, you can only discharge the capacity and possibly number of magazine changes you can facilitate in the given time. I wonder how many articulate, knowledgeable, true "experts" in the field of Firearms testified to the Judges who likely don't know jack-shit about AR-15's and M-16's.

 

[spat]

I wonder IF the people reading rates of fire understand its a speed versus an actual discharge? Typical Car Engine can turn 6,000 revolutions per minute, but only runs around 2K. Sure you can "bump fire" at a rate of a few hundred rounds a minute, but even with a Drum magazine, you can only discharge the capacity and possibly number of magazine changes you can facilitate in the given time. I wonder how many articulate, knowledgeable, true "experts" in the field of Firearms testified to the Judges who likely don't know jack-shit about AR-15's and M-16's.

Looking for the exception in the 2A for full auto or "weapons of war" or "full auto".

I thought the whole point of the 2A was to protect "weapons of war". Wasn't that what SCOTUS ruled in miller ?

 

[FP1201]

Looking for the exception in the 2A for full auto or "weapons of war" or "full auto".

I thought the whole point of the 2A was to protect "weapons of war". Wasn't that what SCOTUS ruled in miller ?

Yes, but you have to remember that these liberal/democrat Judges don't give a fuck about the Constitution/BOR and it's too simple to be applied language. They have to protect the status quo as they know eventually it'll come to the point of where people are willing and if still armed, able to effect drastic change upon those in control, and we all know the Democrats desires to gain and remain in power and control.
Once you've been labeled a "criminal" without due process, well then it's time to become a criminal....Patriot or Terrorist depends on it you win or loose.

the whole purpose of the Second Amendment was to prohibit Congress (our Government) from "infringing" upon OUR RIGHT to have Guns and ostensibly the ammunition for them.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I thought the whole point of the 2A was to protect "weapons of war". Wasn't that what SCOTUS ruled in miller ?

Right. I thought Miller established that arms suitable for military/militia use were protected.

 

[RedBreast21]

Then just what exactly is protected by the 2A? muskets? At the time of its creation the protected civilian class of weapon was exactly the same as in military use. BS

Cambridge dictionary

Meaning of arms in English

arms​

phrase [ plural ]

weapons and equipment used to kill and injure people:

They have been charged with supplying arms to the guerrillas.
An arms cache was discovered in South Wales.
They were sanctioned for be selling arms to rogue nations.

 

[spat]

Right. I thought Miller established that arms suitable for military/militia use were protected.

According to Miller, *only* arms suitable for military use are protected.

 

[Acer-m14]

its a damn good thing my AR is a 91/30 and my other AR is a M44 ..

they do not vaporize deer like a real AR15 does ..

 

[Deplorable Me]

Since an auto-sear and (currently) a bump stock are considered machine guns on their own, they are complaining that adding a machinegun to an AR15 turns it into a machinegun.

By that logic, a ham sandwich is a machinegun, because if you add a machinegun to it it will become a machinegun.

Are you a ghost writer for the Babylon Bee?

 

[Phazer]

On Friday, a three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit overturned an injunction against Illinois’ “assault weapons” ban, deciding that AR-15s are not protected by the Second Amendment.

Easterbrook and Wood then focused on similarities they found between AR-15s and M16s, the latter of which can be fired in full-auto or three-round burst modes. They wrote:


They also noted that both guns use the same ammunition and “deliver the same kinetic energy.”

7th Circuit: AR-15s Not Protected by Second Amendment

On Friday, a three-judge panel of the Seventh Circuit decided AR-15s are not protected by the Second Amendment.

www.breitbart.com

HISTORY, TEXT, and TRADITION....assholes! Read the SCOTUS Bruen decision.

SCOTUS, please, please, show just a modicum of consistency and uphold your own precedent.

 

[Hillbilly77]

AR-15s aren’t specifically protected by the Second Amendment.
The Second Amendment doesn’t apply to any specific gun.

The Second Amendment restricts the government. “Shall not be infringed.” Pretty cut and dry.

 

[livingston]

 

[REF]

Guess I’ll just buy or build another one then

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Guess I’ll just buy or build another one then

Yup

 

[Vinson57]

The state is being disarmed so the federal forces have a midwest safe area started between the two coasts.

 

[Dr. Evil]

 

[Saltwater60]

Don’t worry the courts will sort it out and the Supreme Court will save us. Sarcasm

 

[Acer-m14]

So what guns are the 7Th protected with ??

we should have the same then .. Correct

 

[pshift]

Just build more....

 

[Robin]

Nothing is protected under the Bill of Rights anymore.
Robin

 

[Rocpo]

Nothing is protected under the Bill of Rights anymore.
Robin

Except for abortion and healthcare.

 

[livingston]

Nothing is protected under the Bill of Rights anymore.
Robin

 

[FP1201]

The lack of uniformity coupled with the ability to completely change directions, meanings, and historical facts IS the set-up for the destruction of a unified Government...You can invariably find one Judge to hang and one to Dismiss from the exact same case.
Young people are always demanding change based on the somewhat ignorant consequences of their desires for a utopia of their own design' Beatnik's of the 50's, Hippies' of the 60's Hedonist of the 70's, Yuppies of the 80's it's always a new beat to the same old song.

 

[Hochulsucks1234]

I hate to always be the bearer of bad news, but eventually ARs, and most likely semi-automatics in general will be banned federally. Everytime there is a (staged) "mass shooting", they inch closer to their goal. I will say what I said 10 years ago before the SAFE act and then just a couple years ago before Hoechuls new laws....get em while you still can!

 

[livingston]

I hate to always be the bearer of bad news, but eventually ARs, and most likely semi-automatics in general will be banned federally. Everytime there is a (staged) "mass shooting", they inch closer to their goal. I will say what I said 10 years ago before the SAFE act and then just a couple years ago before Hoechuls new laws....get em while you still can!

And as I have said .... often ... Goal is total disarmament .. And everyone should have at least one revolver that one can carry concealed. .. My main reason is they will try to ban all auto loading firearms ... IF they do everyone will clamor for a revolver thus a severe shortage .. Next is a push to bankrupt all gun mfg's ... So a selection might be slim

 

[Grimscale]

get em while you still can!

You can always get them.
Police "lose" them all the time, or leave them unattended.
Military, too.

 

[spat]

You can always get them.
Police "lose" them all the time, or leave them unattended.
Military, too.

By the time it gets that bad, don't wait for them to lose them. Just take them.