holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
ON Tuesday New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio told reporters he would not bring in the National Guard to protect the people and businesses of New York City.
82nd Airborne Division Arrives to DC Metro Area with Black Hawks and Chinooks
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Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
DC is not a state ..
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
The insurrection act was unconstitutional in 1807 and it is unconstitutional today. Its up to the people to protect themselves and their property. Love how government carves out exemptions to the rules when ever the hell it suits them.
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Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
so gun laws are too .. whooot ..
spat
.950 JDJ
Military for policing, no.
For defending federal military facilities, yes.
Try looting at the pentagon, don't expect them to call DC's finest for backup.
The white house is a military facility
spat
.950 JDJ
How is it unconstitutional ?
Posse comitatus is just a law, it's not part of the constitution.
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
Does everyone forget what the second amendment says?
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Framer wanted the military to be controlled by the people. Volunteers called to service, the misuse of standing armies was a concern to the framers. Standing army should never be armed on US soil. Hence state militias under governors (the peoples) direction. You can read the federalist and anti federalist papers its well documented.
To have Posse Comitatus and then the insurrection act of 1807 goes to show how fast politicians started tossing the constitution aside. its not a complex document and if applied as intended makes allot of sense.
It suppose to take an act of congress not the whim of a president.
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Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
and NY moved it from the NY Constitutions to the Civil Rights Law . and how has that worked ..
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
Is this directed at me? It hasn't worked, none of the bastardized laws work. They subvert what the framers intended. To protect the people. And your seeing the result now. The people get pissed and tear shit apart. The French where famous for their uprising. Shit Liberte is strait up French.
Its funny how they could always take out their own corruption but let other countries walk right in.
Its funny how they could always take out their own corruption but let other countries walk right in.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yep. We weren’t supposed to have standing armies at all. No National Guard either. It was always supposed to be state militias. Volunteers made up of the people themselves.
And to go even further as far as law enforcement goes, police weren’t even supposed to exist state according to many state constitutions. It was supposed to be an Elected Sheriff and his deputies so that the people themselves can elect and control law enforcement.
The sad thing is that over years the government got to big, threw the constitution aside and did what they wanted anyway . Now people just accept it because it’s always been like that for them.
Now they accept federal police and federal armies, National Guards, and all unconstitutional laws that are currently enforced.
We should really apologize to Great Britain. We created a government that started out good and turned it worse than Great Britain themselves.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
in a way ,, NY has fked us .. where is the NY militia ??? heaven forbid we make one .. but that isisburger is a-okay ..
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
in a way ,, NY has fked us .. where is the NY militia ??? heaven forbid we make one .. but that isisburger is a-okay ..
You could start one you just have to call it a gun club.
spat
.950 JDJ
The 2A guarantees the rights of the Militia, but the constitution specifically also authorizes an Army and Navy and makes clear that they are separate and distinct from the militia.
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
Exactly the people where suppose to police and protect themselves ... I've been saying it for years. But then again i think im in the minority of people who have actually read the entire constitution once through and then read the federalist and anti federalist papers to try to get a grasp of what they where trying to accomplish.
And it wasn't an all powerful government and standing army called the police.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
The Congress shall have Power To ...raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years....
This was in case of wars abroad or if needed for when under attack. Not as a permanent solution to keep waging war abroad. After the war, it was supposed to be disbanded and the militias were for home defense.
spat
.950 JDJ
That was the intention.
But there was no prohibition on a standing army, only that it had to be funded 2 years at a time.
And the Navy was expected to be permanent.
Hopefully they brought all the 240Bs and lots of freedom seeds with the helicopters.
Our constitution will not exist as it is in 20 years.....maybe less.
I recently saw a poll where the results were that 60% of 18-25 year olds believe the constitution should be adjusted to reflect current times.
And 48% think that it could be completely rewritten.
I know poll numbers suck but it does show that many of the younger generation are willing to change or abolish our constitution.
Our rights are more in danger now than ever.
In a few years we may not have it at all.
And before I get smacked around.....I do know that a majority vote cannot change the constitution but if the majority agree, the constitution can be amended.
I recently saw a poll where the results were that 60% of 18-25 year olds believe the constitution should be adjusted to reflect current times.
And 48% think that it could be completely rewritten.
I know poll numbers suck but it does show that many of the younger generation are willing to change or abolish our constitution.
Our rights are more in danger now than ever.
In a few years we may not have it at all.
And before I get smacked around.....I do know that a majority vote cannot change the constitution but if the majority agree, the constitution can be amended.
speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
A real American President, who deployed the real American Army, on American soil. Sounds pretty un-American to me
spat
.950 JDJ
Better to let the cities burn actually. At least until the mayors or governors beg for help.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
If that’s the case that’s fine. I had no idea their mission plan/statement was to protect Washington DC. I thought all military was foreign except the guard.
I also know there was a bomb scare outside the whitehouse that they hushed up pretty bad.
only Fox and CNN at about 10:?? pm Tuesday night. MSNBC came in 5x5
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
It happened for about a half an hour, I just didnt know if it was happening all over. The other night, DC lost all cell phone service , just checking with you guys .
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Absolutely agree Spat!!
This, end thread.
The Insurrection Act gives the "President" broad authority to use military for domestic law enforcement action, and if you read the scope, if there is a lack of confidence in local authorities to handle any threat to the establishment, lol.
The Posse Comitatus Act came after and limits some of that broad authority in the Insurrection Act ...
My take is this... Trump has positioned a response team made up of no bullshit fuckers who answer directly to him. I believe they're there to protect him and the WH and or Federal Gov't there in D.C., should Rioters get some crazy idea that they want to venture a little close to those sensitive assets. Don't forget, with all the surveillance he has access to, he may know something we all don't. And that's ok.
I'm not worried about it, because I'm not marching in anything! I think this, like the fucking Covid-19 bullshit is all just blown out of proportion, by a mile! Fuck it all, because I don't have any more fucks to give! Just don't fuck with me, because I'm not in the mood! So I stay home, chill, do things around the house, keep my eye on all corners, up and down, ready to go if needed, but still chilling out. Best thing can happen is some fuckers feel emboldened enough to make a go of it and think they'll accomplish something down there, but provide a fine example of what happens to lawless assholes who wanna play stupid fucking games!
Ok, gotta get back to stripping my deck so I can make it nice nice!
The Posse Comitatus Act came after and limits some of that broad authority in the Insurrection Act ...
My take is this... Trump has positioned a response team made up of no bullshit fuckers who answer directly to him. I believe they're there to protect him and the WH and or Federal Gov't there in D.C., should Rioters get some crazy idea that they want to venture a little close to those sensitive assets. Don't forget, with all the surveillance he has access to, he may know something we all don't. And that's ok.
I'm not worried about it, because I'm not marching in anything! I think this, like the fucking Covid-19 bullshit is all just blown out of proportion, by a mile! Fuck it all, because I don't have any more fucks to give! Just don't fuck with me, because I'm not in the mood! So I stay home, chill, do things around the house, keep my eye on all corners, up and down, ready to go if needed, but still chilling out. Best thing can happen is some fuckers feel emboldened enough to make a go of it and think they'll accomplish something down there, but provide a fine example of what happens to lawless assholes who wanna play stupid fucking games!
Ok, gotta get back to stripping my deck so I can make it nice nice!
It is funny how none of these groups threaten any well armed areas.
I haven't heard of a violent protest in Texas.
I haven't heard of a violent protest in Texas.
Toecutter
.308 Win
Its happening in Texas too.
Man who appeared to defend Dallas store brutally beaten by rioters
A machete-wielding man in Dallas was brutally beaten by rioters on Saturday night after police said he was allegedly trying to "protect his neighborhood from protesters."
www.foxbusiness.com
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
Doesn't the fact we have to use, or potentially use, military weapons to protect people give more reason for why citizens should have them? It's one thing for politicians to say "no one needs an AR-15" when things are quiet. It's not a valid argument, but it holds more weight.
But when people are burning down cars and homes and businesses, and the police can't be everywhere at once (just a fact), it's hard to make the case people shouldn't be able to defend themselves against this sort of garbage.
Maybe people change their minds a little on 2A after all this.
But when people are burning down cars and homes and businesses, and the police can't be everywhere at once (just a fact), it's hard to make the case people shouldn't be able to defend themselves against this sort of garbage.
Maybe people change their minds a little on 2A after all this.