A Rhetorical Question: short of killing off those who are destroying America, can the USA be saved?

[VietnamEraVet]

So, just to be absolutely clear from the start, this thread IS NOT advocating violence, lawbreaking, or vigilantism against anyone.

The purpose of this thread to is further a rational discussion about the future of the USA in the face of apparent widespread corruption. Clear enough?

As something of a news hound and political junkie, - I have always felt that there was a certain amount of corruption prevalent in our society. I sure as hell have never approved of any of it, but until more recent times, I felt as though our society overall was dealing with it,- at least somewhat.

Now? It is now out there for all to see that the level of corruption and full blown criminal behavior is out of control. Worse yet, is that by and large, the institutions that we have in place to deal with it have themselves become corrupted to the point that I fear our republic is spinning out of control, - if not already lost.

We have a press that not only tolerates it, - but is actively supporting corruption and criminal behavior that they happen to agree with, or that they themselves will benefit from.

The DOJ? The FBI? The IRS? The White House under Obama? Both major political parties? Governors like Cuomo, McAulliffe, and others? The NY Assembly and Senate? Mid level beauracrats in countless government agencies? The list is damn near endless, and yet, nothing is done to remove the cancer that is destroying our society from within. Laws put in place to control it are now routinely ignored by those in power.

Look at just a few corrupt examples that skate off free and clear when their actions demand their removal and incarceration at the least: IRS Commissioner John Koskinen. IRS's Louis Lerner. Cuomo as HUD Secretary. The Clinton's and their entire RICO following (a huge list by itself). The list goes on and on, - and yet, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is done about it.

There is another thing about it that comes to mind. Think about all of these fuckers, and realize this: is it just my imagination, or are the vast majority of them located in places with massive gun control laws, and almost always protected from the masses by armed escorts and massive privacy and protected spaces? It strikes me that most are not being protected against the odd random nutjob off their meds, but rather against those that they are actively screwing over and would have good reason to fear.

You generally won't find them living in "free states", or being accessible to interaction with members of the public. Rather, they are walled off from the public and protected with their heavily armed security, - whether public or private. And they live in places like NYC, Washington, DC, Chicago, San Francisco, Massachusetts, NJ, MD. It is no coincidence.

It all begs the question: when the institutions that are in place to police it are themselves corrupted and useless, is it time for the people to take action into their own hands to put a stop to it?

When justice can no longer be obtained at the ballot box, or the jury box, or from the institutions put in place to serve and protect the citizens of this country, what comes next?

 

[spat]

Get rid of the warning labels and welfare state and those who keep them in power will kill themselves off.

 

[Celt]

These people don't do their own laundry or go to the supermarket, they don't sit down every month and budget to pay their bills. They are the elites and they are corrupt.

Anyone that is using their position of power for personal gain needs to be eradicated and removed from the system. System that enables them needs to be gutted.

Today we drain the swamp!

 

[Catskillkid]

Athens lasted about 200 years. The Pax Romana about the same before the Empire took over. Even the best republics/democracies don't last.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

As depressing as my answer is to admit to myself.....no I don't think it can be saved.

I think there are too many people looking for handouts and a bigger piece of their entitled pie now that they are willing to continue supporting corrupt politicians who mortgage our future to remain in power now

Even if trump is elected I only think he will slow the process down.

If hillary is elected we plow forward at flank speed.

I think the scales are irreversibly tipped against us.

 

[Phazer]

Americans have long been reactionary instead of proactive. Americans weren't concerned about addressing terrorism until we were attacked at home. America wasn't serious about dealing with scandalous home financing and investment practices until after the 2008 crash. Similarly, I do not believe that the current iteration of Americans will address a totalitarian tyrannical centralized government until living conditions become unbearable after fiscal collapse (due to Progressive plans on taxation, social planning, business regulations, and unfettered immigration).

As the old saying goes: It has to get much worse before it can ever get better. Until the majority of our citizens see our nation (read: their personal finances) hit rock bottom, we will do nothing to right our ship of state.

What will arise from the ashes of the first American experiment? I do not know. I fear that regaining the society that the Left has hurried to surrender will take generations, and much suffering, to ever restore.

 

[DavidJ]

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson"

 

[DavidJ]

As the old saying goes: It has to get much worse before it can ever get better. Until the majority of our citizens see our nation (read: their personal finances) hit rock bottom, we will do nothing to right our ship of state.

Todays generation are lazy and babied. You look at PTSD right over IRAQ and Afganistain. Odd after WWII which there were no drone strikes, no satellites, with all the killings and horrific acts that had to be done there wasn't a group of people going nuts ? Today you have people that go to boot camp and cry PTSD lol.

 

[Celt]

As depressing as my answer is to admit to myself.....no I don't think it can be saved.

I think there are too many people looking for handouts and a bigger piece of their entitled pie now that they are willing to continue supporting corrupt politicians who mortgage our future to remain in power now

Even if trump is elected I only think he will slow the process down.

If hillary is elected we plow forward at flank speed.

I think the scales are irreversibly tipped against us.

In a Trump presidency, i think we can right the ship. People are waking up.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Hypothetically speaking of course.

 

[Criticalt]

I just heard that in multiple studies where random people were asked about the issues plaguing our country, 90%-96% agree with Trumps and Conservative plans for the country.
These peoples political leanings were not brought into the questions and no politicians were mentioned.
This mix of Dems, Repubs, and Independents were simply asked which direction they agree with more. 90%-96% agree with Trumps plan without even knowing it!!

THIS is the problem, ignorant, uneducated voters choosing politicians on emotion, not their actual beliefs.
So, our country will most likely be run by a woman that even 90% of Liberals dont agree with........but they dont even know they dont agree!!
Meanwhile, us deplorables, who know the facts, get screwed.

 

[Arjuna]

With Trump possibly,

With Hillary never

 

[livingston]

In a Trump presidency, i think we can right the ship. People are waking up.

This election cycle certainly brought out how corrupt this system is . That said generations have been taught how glorious socialism is .( Feel the Bern ).... Corruption and socialism seem to go hand in hand .

 

[Celt]

I thought the thread title said sort of not short of. I was getting all excited for a minute.

 

[Robin]

Athens was no longer Athenians, Rome was no longer Romans, the progressives are seeing to it that America no longer has Americans.
Robin

 

[Deplorable Me]

If you don't work, you don't eat. It motivated the Pilgrims in Jamestown in the early years. (John Smith).

Democrats, progressives, liberals all want us to believe in evolution, so stop interfering with Darwin then.

 

[soylentBlue]

I think that the US will go the way of England with increased surveillance and decreased liberty - all in the name of the public good. Those who prefer freedom will be increasingly marginalized and ridiculed.

 

[Phazer]

I think that the US will go the way of England with increased surveillance and decreased liberty - all in the name of the public good. Those who prefer freedom will be increasingly marginalized and ridiculed.

Agreed.

 

[spat]

I think that the US will go the way of England with increased surveillance and decreased liberty - all in the name of the public good. Those who prefer freedom will be increasingly marginalized and ridiculed.

Too many of the people who actually recognize the problem believe that following the rules is more important than avoiding destruction. They don't seem to understand that once the rules have been corrupted, following them *is* the path to destruction.
"They said turn in all your guns, and I don't agree, but it isn't my call, so I handed them over and hopped into the cattle car"

 

[MoMan]

Unfortunately I think the only way to right this ship is with a "total recall"!!

 

[tirwin1]

I think we are too far gone for the nation to survive in its existing format. I think the trends in terms of population, education and govt intrusion into our lives cannot be overcome. I have come to the conclusion the country is likely to be split into two or more nations. Whether this is done peacefully or violently is unknown. I don't expect this to happen for at least 40 years but the underlying fundamentals exist now and will become stronger over time. When it happens, it will happen rather quickly like the fall of the Berlin wall. The rot within the soviet empire grew for 50 years but the facade of a strong superpower was maintained right up until the end. It took everyone by surprise. The same thing will happen here. The saddest part for me is the uncertain future my children (and their children) will face.

 

[eagleridge357]

The entire discussion rests on one major point....the internet is the most important and powerful tool we as citizens have to battle the corruption and lies that are working to take our country from us. Our next major battle will be the fight for our first amendment through the free internet. We lose the free internet, say goodbye to our freedoms and our country. Our Bill of Rights is our battle cry. Lose that and lose everything.

 

[Phauxtoe]

Yes by prosecuting people break the freaking law

 

[swilliams]

Americans have long been reactionary instead of proactive. Americans weren't concerned about addressing terrorism until we were attacked at home. America wasn't serious about dealing with scandalous home financing and investment practices until after the 2008 crash. Similarly, I do not believe that the current iteration of Americans will address a totalitarian tyrannical centralized government until living conditions become unbearable after fiscal collapse (due to Progressive plans on taxation, social planning, business regulations, and unfettered immigration).

As the old saying goes: It has to get much worse before it can ever get better. Until the majority of our citizens see our nation (read: their personal finances) hit rock bottom, we will do nothing to right our ship of state.

What will arise from the ashes of the first American experiment? I do not know. I fear that regaining the society that the Left has hurried to surrender will take generations, and much suffering, to ever restore.

Bleak, but I agree with you completely.

 

[Celt]

The entire discussion rests on one major point....the internet is the most important and powerful tool we as citizens have to battle the corruption and lies that are working to take our country from us. Our next major battle will be the fight for our first amendment through the free internet. We lose the free internet, say goodbye to our freedoms and our country. Our Bill of Rights is our battle cry. Lose that and lose everything.

And that is exactly why Obama is trying to give control of it away. You hit the nail on the head, and the political Elite know this , that is why they will be attacking it and our 2nd Amendment.

 

[Foxtrapper]

This situation has been the plan for over 100 years. This agenda has been carefully thought out and executed with precision. We haven't been brought to the edge for nothing, the one thing standing in the way of NWO is our Constitution, which needs to be disemboweled to make way for the NWO. Had it not been for our 2nd Amendment, we would already be enslaved.

There really is no way out of this fight, except to accept the fact that if we want our freedom, we will have to fight for it. Our wealth, our nation's wealth is gone. Robbed by the elites while we were distracted with the shiny toys, or electronic devices provided to us. Hell, most americians would glady slip on the chains of their own slavery for a new iPhone or other must have device. IMHO, it is too late to save our country, hell, it might be to late to save ourselves..

Bring on the zombie apocalypse..

 

[GOPerfect]

We are walking into a dark cave that has no lights and no exit. If she does win, we will lose ourselves. We will continue down this path of identity lose.

I like who we are as a people. We are Americans; unlike any other people before us. We are not better, just different. We are a breed of people that I like being part of.

I do not like to sound like a downer, but if The Hildabitch does win, we are screwed.

I have begun a plan to change a few things in life. These changes will not take if all goes well today. We'll see.

 

[Catskillkid]

This situation has been the plan for over 100 years. This agenda has been carefully thought out and executed with precision. We haven't been brought to the edge for nothing, the one thing standing in the way of NWO is our Constitution, which needs to be disemboweled to make way for the NWO. Had it not been for our 2nd Amendment, we would already be enslaved.

There really is no way out of this fight, except to accept the fact that if we want our freedom, we will have to fight for it. Our wealth, our nation's wealth is gone. Robbed by the elites while we were distracted with the shiny toys, or electronic devices provided to us. Hell, most americians would glady slip on the chains of their own slavery for a new iPhone or other must have device. IMHO, it is too late to save our country, hell, it might be to late to save ourselves..

Bring on the zombie apocalypse..

And yet none dare call it conspiracy.

The signs are all there. Hell, there are literally billboards proclaiming the glorious New World Order (Bush the Elder even spoke about...look it up on Youtube) and virtually every President since Woodrow Wilson has been a part of it in some way shape or form. Some say we're on the road to serfdom. No my friends, we're on the super highway towards slavery and the masses and sheep are begging to have their chains installed and tightened. Little do they know they are nothing more than sheep to the slaughter. When the Bilderbergs, the Trilateral Commission, and Council on Foreign Relations types get their way Brave New World, 1984 and Fahrenheit 451 will look like Disney Land.

Maybe not next year, maybe not 10 or even 20 years from now, but mark my words, we won't be saying "Make America Great Again." We'll be saying "Molon Labe" assuming we haven't been disarmed.

 

[Phazer]

Maybe not next year, maybe not 10 or even 20 years from now, but mark my words, we won't be saying "Make America Great Again." We'll be saying "Molon Labe" assuming we haven't been disarmed.

I think that it's safe to assume that they will try to disarm us.

 

[Podmonkey]

Todays generation are lazy and babied. You look at PTSD right over IRAQ and Afganistain. Odd after WWII which there were no drone strikes, no satellites, with all the killings and horrific acts that had to be done there wasn't a group of people going nuts ? Today you have people that go to boot camp and cry PTSD lol.

Unless you have served you have absolutely right to make this kind of judgment. Ever talk to WWII vets? Plenty of of PTSD there, Korea, Vietnam, certainly back in WWI. Not an armchair topic.