A Rhetorical Question: short of killing off those who are destroying America, can the USA be saved?

[GOPerfect]

Unless you have served you have absolutely right to make this kind of judgment. Ever talk to WWII vets? Plenty of of PTSD there, Korea, Vietnam, certainly back in WWI. Not an armchair topic.

I think you may have read his post wrong. I think you two are on the same page. I think he was saying that this generation is a generation of pussies compared to the others. Basically, the people who served back in the day were tougher and stood for more. He made the comment of today's generation getting PTSD even before they leave Basic Training.

I do not think it was a shot toward Vets as a whole.

 

[Robin]

Well, I didn't read it that way. I have been around plenty of Vet's from WWII, and what is now called PTSD was a problem for them in probably the same percentage as more modern wars where these things are now monitored. Many WWII vets became alcoholics, died from mysterious car crashes, or work related 'accidents' like falling off a roof. Most, like men from Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq, and other wars, come home with their own personal bugaboo's, work things out to a degree, and drive on.
Robin

 

[Podmonkey]

No, I didn't read it wrong. The implication as I read it was that today's soldiers are not as "tough" as theybwere back in the day. A few points:
1 how tough soldiers are now or yesteryear is irrelevant to those that have not served. It is beyond civilian judgment.
2 modern forces have seen more oversees duty than at anyother time in the nations history, the military is overtasked and understaffed. In the Armybits supposed to be a year on year off rotation. I know guys that got back from Iraq, spent 90 days in country, got transferred to a unit headed back out and in less than month they are back out there. That takes a toll.
3 I don't like the notion that anyone can claim to know how they are dealing with things inside. That WWII that looks normal outside might still be waking up screaming and we'd likely never know. I think all our Veterans of any time period could be hurting, its not a basis of comparison.

 

[Robin]

Podmonkey: "That WWII that looks normal outside might still be waking up screaming and we'd likely never know. I think all our Veterans of any time period could be hurting, its not a basis of comparison."

So what's your point? We suck it up, put on a good face, and do the best you can with what you got. Nobody owes you anything.
Robin

 

[Podmonkey]

Robin If you a Vet then none of what I say applies to you, you've earned your right to an opinion. Also I want to make it clear that I never served in combat, which is why I refuse to pass judgment of any kind on those that have. I remember that story of that marine platoon in Iraq a few years ago that wiped attacked a small village an killed some of the villagers after they took some casualties in an ambush nearby. Some folks were calling them monsters and all that, but the way I figure it, it wasn't us that had to watch their buddies die violently. Such an action we can condemn on legal grounds but those of us who haven't experienced that kind of hell aren't really in a position to pass moral judgment, thats my point.
I'll give you a virtual pat on the back and a handshake for being a Veteran, send me the bill for the first round next time your at a bar.

 

[Gunright]

My father served in WWII in the Army Air Force on a B-24 bomber, the ones that primarily flew to the Ploesti oil fields from Italy. It was only later in life where he would talk much about it, and when I learned just how bad it was in terms of losses. (On one occasion their plane was so badly damaged they had to throw out everything in order to make it back, and at that barely above tree level.)

Having said that, I think that those in the armed services have it worse today. My father KNEW what he was fighting for, there was no question or doubt and the country was united. In addition, the whole nation was celebrating when the war was over and given the mass numbers of people returning, an easier return to 'normalcy'. Having a lot of others in a similar situation as you helps.

Never having been a veteran, I can only give my thanks for your service.

 

[Automan21]

Sorry to say we won't get any better if she wins.

 

[prambo]

As depressing as my answer is to admit to myself.....no I don't think it can be saved.

I think there are too many people looking for handouts and a bigger piece of their entitled pie now that they are willing to continue supporting corrupt politicians who mortgage our future to remain in power now

Even if trump is elected I only think he will slow the process down.

If hillary is elected we plow forward at flank speed.

I think the scales are irreversibly tipped against us.

^^^^^^
What he said!

Regardless of who is elected, the false economy of the whole planet is going to implode. Some seem to think if it happens on Hitlery's watch, it spells the end of the globalist scum.

IMHO, it doesn't matter - the collective "we" have wriggled too far out on a rotten branch, and it's going to break.

The global "elites" still haven't realized that, sooner, or later, there will be nothing left to steal, and no one left to control.