Active Shooter Mandalay Bay

[CaseHardened]

What Happens in Vegas Doesn't Stay in Reno

I predicted this more than a week ago.

(I'm no genius - it was obvious to anyone)

The truth will only embarrass the DEEP STATE and the ALT-LEFT.

SO THE STORY IS DEAD.

 

[tirwin1]

Some of the facts of the case are:

Shooter has no history of mental illness
Number expended brass in the room doesn't match the volume of fire.
recordings of strings uninterrupted fire doesn't match the magazines he was using
Shooter had unneeded sniper solutions, with no calculations written On a piece of paper to hit a target 1/4 mile wide.@400 yards, shooting solutions require time and experience to aquire, Inexperienced people would not know to use shooting solutions, experienced shooters know none was required to hit target.
receipt from hotel showing shooters name on it was for two people.
Police suspect he may have had help.
weapons were strewn about the whole hotel that did not make any sense, and Not near the windows where he did the shooting while magazines were neatly stacked .
shooter has no known motive
Target was a heavily conservative group

Just to play devils's advocate:
Mental illness - I thought he was taking a prescription for diazepam/valium - by defintion for mental illness
# of brass - where have you seen any news regarding brass counts - I have seen nothing to date
Strings of fire don't match magazines - where is the official count of magazines or are you simply going by some pictures?
Unneeded sniper solutions - according to whom? How do you know he was inexperienced - is there a record of his shooting activity?
Receipt - Is it impossible to order room service for 2 if you are really hungry? Who says it was for 2?
Police "suspect" he had help - suspicion isn't proof. Police have demonstrated more incompetence than competence in the past week so their "suspicions" are dubious.
Weapons strewn that did not make sense - are mass murderers required to "make sense?" And who's definition of "sense" are we using?
No motive - that is not a "fact." The motive is unknown at the moment to the police. I suspect he had a motive even if we don't know what it is.
Target was conservative group - yet there are stories he was present for other concerts with non conservative fan bases - which indicates he was looking for the right opportunity regardless of the political composition of the audience.

Be careful what you consider to be "facts." They may not be as concrete as you think.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Just to play devils's advocate:
Mental illness - I thought he was taking a prescription for diazepam/valium - by defintion for mental illness
# of brass - where have you seen any news regarding brass counts - I have seen nothing to date
Strings of fire don't match magazines - where is the official count of magazines or are you simply going by some pictures?
Unneeded sniper solutions - according to whom? How do you know he was inexperienced - is there a record of his shooting activity?
Receipt - Is it impossible to order room service for 2 if you are really hungry? Who says it was for 2?
Police "suspect" he had help - suspicion isn't proof. Police have demonstrated more incompetence than competence in the past week so their "suspicions" are dubious.
Weapons strewn that did not make sense - are mass murderers required to "make sense?" And who's definition of "sense" are we using?
No motive - that is not a "fact." The motive is unknown at the moment to the police. I suspect he had a motive even if we don't know what it is.
Target was conservative group - yet there are stories he was present for other concerts with non conservative fan bases - which indicates he was looking for the right opportunity regardless of the political composition of the audience.

Be careful what you consider to be "facts." They may not be as concrete as you think.

I'd just like to add to this. Was 556 the only caliber used? Wouldn't having as many guns as possible actually be a good idea to remove reloading out of the equation? Would it also not be a good idea for possible malfunctions? Seems to me having as many guns as possible is a great idea if you want to shoot as many rounds as possible as quickly as possible. If the video footage ever gets out I think it will explain a whole lot. But until then armchair detective work is just a waste of energy. Eh whatever. I guess this will just go down as another huge coverup no matter how much actual evidence is released.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

I'd just like to add to this. Was 556 the only caliber used? Wouldn't having as many guns as possible actually be a good idea to remove reloading out of the equation? Would it also not be a good idea for possible malfunctions? Seems to me having as many guns as possible is a great idea if you want to shoot as many rounds as possible as quickly as possible. If the video footage ever gets out I think it will explain a whole lot. But until then armchair detective work is just a waste of energy. Eh whatever. I guess this will just go down as another huge coverup no matter how much actual evidence is released.

So, by your reasoning re the number of guns in his room, - when you go to the range to practice, you would bring a dozen AR's, each with one mag, rather than bring one (or perhaps 2) AR's and a bunch of mags?

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

So, by your reasoning re the number of guns in his room, - when you go to the range to practice, you would bring a dozen AR's, each with one mag, rather than bring one (or perhaps 2) AR's and a bunch of mags?

No. Only if I was planning a mass shooting and mentally ill.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

No. Only if I was planning a mass shooting and mentally ill.

There is just too much unanswered shit surrounding the incident at this point for me to believe that he acted alone, and that he hauled 23 rifles up to his suite for his exclusive use.

 

[holdover]

OK, good post, I don't agree with everything but at least your thinking about the evidence .

Just to play devils's advocate:
Mental illness - I thought he was taking a prescription for diazepam/valium - by defintion for mental illness

He was taking valium, pretty common anti anxiety drug , It doesn't mean he was mentally ill . That's really stretching the purpose of the drug ,He had some issues but nothing documented so far as mental illness

# of brass - where have you seen any news regarding brass counts - I have seen nothing to date

several crime scene photos , where there are a few dozen brass casings., You are correct there haven't been complete crime scene pics or official counts released. Police claimed he fired at least 200 rounds were fired through the door at the security guard , and we know from the automatic fire that he fired several hundred rounds into the crowd . We know from audio recording of the event that some of the fireing was nonstop non interrupted for up to 14 seconds , and we know that a 30 round mag will empty in 2 seconds on full auto 4 seconds for a 60 round mag .10 seconds for a 100 round drum . We know he fired off an on for 9 minutes , at those rates of fire we can expect to find piles of brass on the floor . maybe there is and the police didn't show it. In any case there should be far more brass on the floor according to sounds of the gunfire.


Strings of fire don't match magazines - where is the official count of magazines or are you simply going by some pictures?

Correct again , No official count of mags or types ,

Unneeded sniper solutions - according to whom?

the Police.

How do you know he was inexperienced ?


We were told he was not into guns , and not a gun guy by people who knew him like his brother and girlfriends That has been the official narrative from he police. Most of the guns he used were recently purchased according to police.


- is there a record of his shooting activity?

Not that we know of
Receipt - Is it impossible to order room service for 2 if you are really hungry? Who says it was for 2?

I don't believe It wasn't room service he was at a table and left a tip, ( not 100% clear on that)

Police "suspect" he had help - suspicion isn't proof.

that's correct, But it is also based on factual material that supports it,

Police have demonstrated more incompetence than competence in the past week so their "suspicions" are dubious.

That's a valid point but the police have reasons to support their claim


Weapons strewn that did not make sense

It makes perfect sense

- are mass murderers required to "make sense?"

No but that's totally irrelevant to the point. The point is if he was fireing from the 32 floor window , whether he was totally mad or not you would not expect to find guns in the first floor bathroom. Correct? It would be out of place, to the scene Correct? If he were firing 556 rounds you would not expect to see 06 brass laying around correct? whether he was crazy or not it wouldn't fit the crime scene. if he shot himself in the head you wouldn't expect to find the gun in the next room correct? If they found six boxes of dog treats on the table , that wouldn't fit the scene correct? Weapons laying all over the floor and furniture doesn't fit somebody firing from a window for ten minutes. Crazy or not, they would be where he was using them near his firing positions . the point was, the weapons appear to be out of place from his firing positions . This is only an observation , Im not saying it proves anything , but if your looking at the scence , you should be aware of it. If you see a weapon on the otherside of the room by itself , you don't just say"" ""hell I dont know"" and walk away. Its telling you something. what its saying may or may not be important, but we should try to understand that. Maybe after he fired he threw the weapon across the room. I don't know. the point is it didn't look right in relation to what was happening. which is an observable fact.





And who's definition of "sense" are we using?

The shooters. he demonstrated common sense throughout the whole crime.


No motive - that is not a "fact." The motive is unknown at the moment to the police. I suspect he had a motive even if we don't know what it is.

that would make it a fact that we have no motive.

Target was conservative group - yet there are stories he was present for other concerts with non conservative fan bases - which indicates he was looking for the right opportunity regardless of the political composition of the audience.

That could be true, and the target may or may not have been politically motivated, but it needs to be considered .The fact remains , he did shoot into a crowd of conservatives. That fact doesn't get thrown away .

Be careful what you consider to be "facts." They may not be as concrete as you think.[/QUOTE]

Well that was a good post , I don't agree with everything you said, but At least your looking at it from the perspective of the evidence.

 

[holdover]

CBS News’s “60 Minutes” also obtained the information from officers who were on the scene first, information that will air in full on Sunday night at 7 p.m. EST.


Officer Dave Newton of the Las Vegas Police Department’s K-9 unit said that he “could see on it he had written the distance, the elevation he was on, the drop of what his bullet was gonna be for the crowd.”

“So he had that written down and figured out so he would know where to shoot to hit his targets from there,” Newton added, illustrating just how pre-meditated Paddock’s assault truly was.


If the shooter was inexperienced he would not have known enough to even use calculations . If he was experienced he would have known they were completely unnecessary to hit a crowd at 400 yards. This type of thing makes me suspicious that the police are covering up what was on the note,

I speculate! If this was something that implicated that he FBI was involved in a gun running operation or if this note was in total support for an antifa revolution SHIT IS GOING TO HIT THE FAN in Washington. There are strong political motivations to bury any political connections to this guy , if that was case. The shooting solutions are absolutely worthless.

 

[Doc8404]

Everyone repeats Valium is this and that and taken for mental illness and anxiety. True.

But VERY commonly used for back pain and other spasms. More effective than most.

Or is there something concrete that says it was for his treatment of nutbagness?

 

[kev74]

Everyone repeats Valium is this and that and taken for mental illness and anxiety. True.

But VERY commonly used for back pain and other spasms. More effective than most.

Or is there something concrete that says it was for his treatment of nutbagness?

During his testimony when he sued the hotel a few years ago, he stated he was taking it for anxiety.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I still don't know what to think there are many unanswered questions, weird circumstances and coincidences

Why did the security guard campos cancel his news conference with no notice and now has 24/7 armed security around him?


Did the wounded Mandalay Bay security guard witness other suspect or suspects make their escape from the 32nd-floor?

Las Vegas Massacre Survivor Abruptly Dies Just Days After Posting Eyewitness Account Of Multiple Shooters And Subsequent Cover-Up


Did a survivor who insisted there were multiple gunmen just mysteriously die? I imagine it's probably a logical explanation but it's unusual to say the least



So many questions I would like to know

Why no photos or video released of paddock bringing all his gear into the hotel? Vegas has cameras EVETYWHERE.

why were so many rifles in his room? Was he planning to use 20 himself? Was he selling them as an arms store out of his room? Was he supposed to have accomplices?

If he really was planning a seige like authorities now say, why did he kill himself when he had so much un used guns and ammo? He had so much more destructive potential still go realise it seems unlikely he just offs himself before he is done and police weren't even storming his room

How is it possible his house was burglarized? That's so far fetched

What about the alleged ISIS ties where are they?


What about his far left political activism? Why was the google and YouTube actively purging his digital trace?

 

[Marine Cpl]

If he installed bump fire stocks on these rifles along with scopes and loaded the magazines, he knew how to load them where one would have been enough. Let's stop with the grasping at straws here.

 

[holdover]

waddaya mean?

 

[holdover]

According to Judge Andrew Napolitano, in the past 10 years, there’ve been 20 Terrorist plots against the US. Three of those plots were real but were discovered and stopped by private Americans. The other 17 were created–and then stopped–by the FBI.

Here’s an article from the New York Times: Terrorist Plots Hatched by the FBI

It explains that the FBI is not finding terrorists, so much as creating and grooming people who are upset with government to become “terrorists” in “sting operations”. This article claims that “Of the 22 most frightening plans for attacks since 9/11 on American soil, 14 were developed in [FBI] sting operations.

Judge Andrew Napolitano speaks about how the American government and the FBI create scenarios to cause people to become "terrorists". The reason is, to create a false situation and then enact more security measures to "protect" the public. In essence, the government wants more control.

This is one reason that I am critical of what Im told, Honestly it has nothing to do with my invisible friends, or My magic bag.

 

[holdover]

 

[holdover]

Las Vegas hotel owners dispute police timeline, say there was no gap between report of gunshots and massacre

In a statement released Thursday, MGM Resorts said the specific time reported by Lombardo was incorrect and that Jesus Campos, the hotel guard, called in that shots had been fired within a minute of the gunman firing out his window. MGM also said Las Vegas officers were with hotel security when Campos’s call came, suggesting there was no lag in alerting police.

We know that shots were being fired at the festival lot at the same time as, or within 40 seconds after, the time Jesus Campos first reported that shots were fired over the radio,” MGM said in the statement, released by a public relations firm. “Metro officers were together with armed Mandalay Bay security officers in the building when Campos first reported that shots were fired over the radio.”

MGM said that the 9:59 p.m. time offered by Lombardo was incorrect and “derived from a Mandalay Bay report manually created after the fact without the benefit of information we now have.”

However, the MGM statement raises further questions about what happened in the hotel that night. The statement said that police and security officers “immediately responded to the 32nd floor,” although Lombardo had said that police did not get there until 10:17 p.m., which was 12 minutes after the gunfire began.

Mandalay Bay, had said this revised police timeline “may not be accurate” but they and police declined to answer repeated questions about what happened during the critical minutes before and during the shooting.

 

[eagleridge357]

So after 35 pages of discussion have you sleuths come to a determination as to motive?

 

[Magnus]

Some of the facts of the case are:

Shooter has no known motive
Shooter bought and brought brand new weapons.
Shooter brought more weapons than he could use.
Shooter wore gloves
Shooter has no history of mental illness
Shooter was a very successful man,was a pilot and owned 2 airplanes
Number expended brass in the room doesn't match the volume of fire.
recordings of strings uninterrupted fire doesn't match the magazines he was using
Shooter fired for nine minutes before going silent
Shooter had unneeded sniper solutions, with no calculations written On a piece of paper to hit a target 1/4 mile wide.@400 yards, shooting solutions require time and experience to aquire, Inexperienced people would not know to use shooting solutions, experienced shooters know none was required to hit target. nor really used for those weapons with bump stocks
Shooter used high end scopes on a bump fire rifle.
receipt from hotel showing shooters name on it was for two people.
Police suspect he may have had help.
weapons were strewn about the whole hotel that did not make any sense, and Not near the windows where he did the shooting while magazines were neatly stacked .
A phone charger not belonging to him was found in his room (Later recanted by police)
Police claim security guard saved lives by distracting the shooter (later recanted by police)
Police say somebody used his hotel card key to enter his room several time while his car was gone.
Shooter had a car full of Tannerite that was not placed in his arc of of fire.
Shooter flew from Las Vegas to phoenix and rented a car and drove back returning car on Sept 28th
Police said he checked into hotel room and receipts prove he was there two days earlier.
After spending at least four days in the hotel Police will not release hotel surveillance video
Shooter does not fit profile of mass shooter
shooter has no known motive
Target was a heavily conservative group


None of the above is made up bullshit , and none of the above have any reasonable explanation at this point . It doesn't prove anything , but the sheer number of things that don't add up builds suspicion .

For instance, he brought an unreasonable amount of weapons and ammunition into his room which he likely did for several days based on the amount of weapons, his duration of stay , and record of him leaving and arriving at the hotel.
Some of the weapons had bump fire stocks and high end scopes. he also wore gloves . He also had a pilots license and two airplanes , he had worked for the government and defense contractors he supposedly won millions in the casino and had millions of dollars in the bank . casinos are the number one place to launder dirty money , claim it on your taxes and purchase real estate with it.

Now lets speculate for minute , How in the world does this not scream gun runner to you? Gloves to keep his prints off of weapons hes selling? airplanes to move them? millions of dollars of untraceable funds in the bank, connections to government contractors?stupid amount of weapons and ammo in the room, most brand new, a rental car from Phoenix to las vegas? How do you know this guy wasn't an undercover FBI agent ? or even CIA? VS hes was just a crazy dude, ?? How do you know he wasn't selling arms to ANTFA who openly said they are looking to arm themselves and use violence ?or any other group ?

How do you just ignore the possibility ?How do you know this guy wasn't a patsy or victim? Only a small amount of information has come out , and despite the facts listed above ,you have come to a conclusion that he absolutely acted alone and he was just a mentally ill person who snapped? He never showed any signs of mental illness to support that in the first place .

I cant draw any conclusions about the case. but given the facts that were released by the police I am suspicious .

I don't need need tin foil to question what Im told , just inconsistency in the story. Most of its common sense

I believe they are trying to cover this one up, but there are just too many witnesses. Too many cameras. They can't get their story straight.

 

[holdover]

So after 35 pages of discussion have you sleuths come to a determination as to motive?

Officially he did it because he was insane, end of story. Nothing to see here, move along.

 

[holdover]

Separately, Eric Paddock told CBS News his brother was "not an avid gun guy at all". He added: "The fact that he had those kinds of weapons is just... where the hell did he get automatic weapons? He has no military background or anything like that.

"He's a guy who lived in a house in Mesquite and drove down and gambled in Las Vegas."

 

[ProgSpear]

So after 35 pages of discussion have you sleuths come to a determination as to motive?

Fast and Furious and Sandy Hook didn't work.

 

[Robin]

So after 35 pages of discussion have you sleuths come to a determination as to motive?

I am not a sleuth, just skeptical, and so far I don't believe a word they have said.
Robin

 

[livingston]

Ann Coulter: Las Vegas Massacre—The Story Is Coming Apart
Ann Coulter
October 11, 2017, 5:25 pm




See, earlier, Ann Coulter: Media Find Las Vegas Shooter’s Motive–He’s White!

Now the media are just taunting us with their tall tales about Stephen Paddock, the alleged Las Vegas shooter. Reputedly serious news organizations are claiming that he made a living playing video poker. That’s like claiming someone made a living smoking crack.

The media are either doing PR for the gambling industry or they don’t want anyone considering the possibility that Paddock was using gambling to launder money.

NBC News reports, with a straight face: “Las Vegas gunman earned millions as a gambler.“ A Los Angeles Times article is headlined, “In the solitary world of video poker, Stephen Paddock knew how to win.” The story says that Paddock’s gambling “was at least a steady income over a period of years.”

I don’t know all the ins and outs of Paddock’s life, but that’s a lie.

How do reporters imagine casino owners make a living? Any ideas on how all those glorious lobbies, lights, pools and fountains are paid for? How do they think Sheldon Adelson and Steve Wynn became billionaires if gambling is a winning proposition for people like Paddock–and therefore, by definition, a losing proposition for the casinos?
more at
Ann Coulter: Las Vegas Massacre—The Story Is Coming Apart | VDARE - premier news outlet for patriotic immigration reform

 

[livingston]

The Less We Believe Them about Las Vegas, the More They Want Our Guns
Once again, there has been a mass shooting in the United States and the usual script is in play. America’s ‘gun culture’ is to blame! Before the blood was dry gun control advocates had trotted out their standard list of remedial measures, none of which would have prevented what had just taken place.

Since the Las Vegas massacre we have been regaled about evil guns by factually ignorant buffoons like Bill Maher, Colin Jost, Michael Che, Jimmy Kimmel, Stephen Colbert, Trevor Noah, and John Oliver – the last two not even Americans. Anyone who disagrees is just wrong and callous about the loss of innocent life. We now import foreigners to insult us and our institutions and pay them outrageous salaries to do it.

Las Vegas was a bit different from previous mass shooting in at least two glaring respects. First, the inability of law enforcement to discover a motive remains the biggest mystery. Admittedly, these same authorities in the US – and even worse in Europe – typically find themselves scratching their collective head in puzzlement after a murderer shouting “Allahu Akbar” kills a bunch of people. (What did he mean by that? Maybe that’s Arabic for “Merry Christmas”! We’re still trying to figure out why he did it, but we’re sure it had nothing to do with Islam. And anyone who says it did is a racist.) At this point, the actions of the person identified as the Las Vegas killer (whose name will not be mentioned here to deny whatever immortality he may have sought) are attributed to mental instability. That’s not good enough. Subjectively, even maniacs think they are doing something. Even a total lunatic who believes he is, say, fighting Martians or chopping potatoes, intends that outcome. But here, supposedly, someone stockpiles weapons for months, meticulously plans a murderous onslaught – and maybe had contingencies for attacks elsewhere – and there’s not a hint of what he thought he was up to. That’s simply not plausible. (Repeated claims by Daesh that the Las Vegas killer was one of their “soldiers” have not yet been substantiated but authorities were lightning-quick to dismiss the possibility. Meanwhile, despite a total lack of evidence, multiple “RussiaGate” investigations of the Trump Administration roll on and on. Let’s not be hasty, some connection to the Kremlin might eventually turn up . . . )

Second, there’s the money.
more at
The Less We Believe Them about Las Vegas, the More They Want Our Guns

 

[holdover]

""Paddock was using gambling to launder money.""

Thank you Ann Coulter! at least I don't feel like the only nut in the house.

 

[Robin]

When the authorities were so lost, so at dead ends, so mystified by the inability to find out 'anything' about this guy, that is assuming he actually did this despicable act in the first place, that they put ad's in the paper begging anyone that knows anything to help them out, well the stink factor went beyond a fresh road killed skunk for me!!! Yeah, right.
The have several murderers from the mideast, all dead, all pulverized, and within two days they know from what kind of hair oil they use to their favorite brand of toe nail clippers and everything in between.
God bless the dead, wounded and their loved ones that care. The way it is looking, they will never know the real truth. Not that it isn't out there.
Robin

 

[holdover]

Unconfirmed reports of Jesus Campos , smuggling arms in back door of Mandalay Bay .

 

[prambo]

Raconteur Report: Las Vegas Still Makes No Sense

 

[Robin]

Unconfirmed reports of Jesus Campos , smuggling arms in back door of Mandalay Bay .

Man, I'm getting cynical, first thing I thought is, yeah thats what they threatened him with if he talks. Scheduled to be on a bunch of talk shows including Hannity, cancelled all of them at the last minute and is in the wind.
Robin

 

[Darth]

Side note, don't have time to read, but:

Not believing the "theories" != So you believe everything the government tells you SHEEP! BAA BAA!!!


Because I still doubt Sandy Hook.

Something about objectivity and viewing each event separately.

Maybe in a shill!

(That's exactly what a shill would say!)