holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
OK my mistake
Active Shooter Mandalay Bay
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Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Just wondering: Were less people actually hit as a result of the use of bump fire stocks that made shooting more inaccurate by causing more rounds to fly way over the intended target?
If he missed more as a result of the bump fire stocks, but landed more hits just because of his rate of fire, doesn't that pretty much negate the bump fire stock as a real issue since any benefit gained by rate of fire is lost by a drop in accuracy?
If he missed more as a result of the bump fire stocks, but landed more hits just because of his rate of fire, doesn't that pretty much negate the bump fire stock as a real issue since any benefit gained by rate of fire is lost by a drop in accuracy?
Accuracy doesn't matter as much when you are shooting at a baseball field verses an 8 inch target. His casualty count was enhanced by the rate of fire. The military does the same thing when it comes to ambushes or a covered retreat. Put the maximum number of rounds on the target area, if there is something there you are likely to hit it. The difference in this situation was there were 22,000 people in the target area a blind man could have hit someone. He hit people by luck of the draw not deliberate action. Shotgun vs a flock of birds same theory.
SNORTHRUP1
.40 S&W
Just got done watching a 10 minute video on YouTube of a latino girl saying "One of the officers was firing his side arm into the crowd" when all it was was the officer using his flashlight. Don't know how someone can confuse the light from a flashlight for "Muzzle flash".
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
I Posted a video of the Bellagio,A woman claimed that bullets went through the front glass and into the lobby, the front of the building was secured and your left wondering if this woman is over reacting to something she thinks happened or was there really shots fired there. with out pics of the windows and doors there is no way to tell if shes telling the truth or if shes just an idiot.
freddy
.308 Win
freddy
.308 Win
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Extra missing windows.
freddy
.308 Win
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Las Vegas gunman shot security guard a full six minutes before opening fire on concertgoers, police reveal
olice have dramatically changed their account of how the Las Vegas massacre began on Oct. 1, revealing Monday that the gunman shot a hotel security guard six minutes before opening fire on a country-music concert — raising new questions about why police weren’t able to pinpoint the gunman’s location sooner.
Officials had previously said that gunman Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nev., shot Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos after Paddock had unleashed his deadly volley at the Route 91 Harvest country music festival, an assault that began at 10:05 p.m.
Officials had previously credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault on the concert crowd by turning the gunman’s attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest’s room.
But Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said Monday that Paddock shot Campos before his mass shooting — at 9:59 p.m. — and they now don’t know why Paddock stopped his attack on the crowd.
Paddock, who had placed security cameras outside his room, shot Campos through the door of his suite, which was outfitted with a camera to survey the hallway, as was a room service cart parked outside. Police have said that Paddock fired 200 rounds into the hallway.
Investigators previously said that the security guard was shot after Paddock had already spent 10 minutes firing into the crowd of concertgoers gathered below the hotel.
In a timeline released last week, investigators said Paddock had stopped firing at the concert across the street at 10:15 p.m., and the first police officers arrived on the floor at 10:17 p.m. and encountered the wounded Campos at 10:18 p.m., who directed the officers to Paddock’s suite.
Police were not in a hurry to enter Paddock’s suite because the security guard’s arrival had halted the shooting, police said in previously describing the timeline.
Las Vegas gunman shot security guard a full six minutes before opening fire on concertgoers, police reveal
olice have dramatically changed their account of how the Las Vegas massacre began on Oct. 1, revealing Monday that the gunman shot a hotel security guard six minutes before opening fire on a country-music concert — raising new questions about why police weren’t able to pinpoint the gunman’s location sooner.
Officials had previously said that gunman Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nev., shot Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos after Paddock had unleashed his deadly volley at the Route 91 Harvest country music festival, an assault that began at 10:05 p.m.
Officials had previously credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault on the concert crowd by turning the gunman’s attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest’s room.
But Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said Monday that Paddock shot Campos before his mass shooting — at 9:59 p.m. — and they now don’t know why Paddock stopped his attack on the crowd.
Paddock, who had placed security cameras outside his room, shot Campos through the door of his suite, which was outfitted with a camera to survey the hallway, as was a room service cart parked outside. Police have said that Paddock fired 200 rounds into the hallway.
Investigators previously said that the security guard was shot after Paddock had already spent 10 minutes firing into the crowd of concertgoers gathered below the hotel.
In a timeline released last week, investigators said Paddock had stopped firing at the concert across the street at 10:15 p.m., and the first police officers arrived on the floor at 10:17 p.m. and encountered the wounded Campos at 10:18 p.m., who directed the officers to Paddock’s suite.
Police were not in a hurry to enter Paddock’s suite because the security guard’s arrival had halted the shooting, police said in previously describing the timeline.
Las Vegas gunman shot security guard a full six minutes before opening fire on concertgoers, police reveal
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Holy Cow – The Official Mandalay Bay Massacre Narrative Just Completely Changed – Latest Presser Video…
The Official Mandalay Bay Massacre Narrative Just Completely Changed – Latest Presser Video…
the entire previous weeks claims about the timeline and structure of Stephen Paddock and how he carried out the Mandalay Bay Massacre just changed a full 180 degrees today when Sheriff Joseph Lombardo dropped a statement that Paddock did not begin shooting until his advanced preparation was interrupted by Mandalay Bay security officer Jesus “Jose'” Campos.
According to the latest stunning revelation by Sheriff Lombardo, security guard Campos was responding to a door alarm notification, presumably from a fire exit door being opened by suspect Paddock on the 32nd floor. Upon reaching the floor, Campos noticed the hotel room suite door was ajar, and heard the sound of drilling (he didn’t knock).
Paddock was drilling a hole in a door (“adjacent room”) when Campos walked in at 9:59pm. That’s when Paddock opened fire on Campos wounding him in the leg. Immediately thereafter is when Stephen Paddock broke out the windows and opened fire on the crowd below.
This latest revelation is explosive because it shows Paddock was interrupted in the act of preparing for the attack, and not during the commission of the attack itself.
This explains a great deal about the event and why so many advanced preparations appeared not to have been utilized. Unused ammunition, body armor, weapons etc.
Holy Cow – The Official Mandalay Bay Massacre Narrative Just Completely Changed – Latest Presser Video…
The Official Mandalay Bay Massacre Narrative Just Completely Changed – Latest Presser Video…
the entire previous weeks claims about the timeline and structure of Stephen Paddock and how he carried out the Mandalay Bay Massacre just changed a full 180 degrees today when Sheriff Joseph Lombardo dropped a statement that Paddock did not begin shooting until his advanced preparation was interrupted by Mandalay Bay security officer Jesus “Jose'” Campos.
According to the latest stunning revelation by Sheriff Lombardo, security guard Campos was responding to a door alarm notification, presumably from a fire exit door being opened by suspect Paddock on the 32nd floor. Upon reaching the floor, Campos noticed the hotel room suite door was ajar, and heard the sound of drilling (he didn’t knock).
Paddock was drilling a hole in a door (“adjacent room”) when Campos walked in at 9:59pm. That’s when Paddock opened fire on Campos wounding him in the leg. Immediately thereafter is when Stephen Paddock broke out the windows and opened fire on the crowd below.
This latest revelation is explosive because it shows Paddock was interrupted in the act of preparing for the attack, and not during the commission of the attack itself.
This explains a great deal about the event and why so many advanced preparations appeared not to have been utilized. Unused ammunition, body armor, weapons etc.
Holy Cow – The Official Mandalay Bay Massacre Narrative Just Completely Changed – Latest Presser Video…
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
Funny... the sheriff and undersheriff seemed so sure when they were feeding us the previous narrative for a week. I find it hard to believe the security guard didn't give a description of events until today.
I wonder if getting lied to for a week has anything to do with the diminishing respect given to law enforcement.
I wonder if getting lied to for a week has anything to do with the diminishing respect given to law enforcement.
freddy
.308 Win
Case closed!
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
I am not a conspiracy guy. For example there was no shooter on the 4th floor. The flashing light is visible before the shooting begins. Yet the shooter is a complete mystery. A guy who is a law abiding citizen for 63 years decides he is going to go for the gold medal in his first outing. Strange work history. Then he somehow becomes a rich investor and a "professional " gambler.
Now we find out the time line is quite different than originally reported. Exactly what the Hell was going on in that room? There is something off about the whole thing.
Now we find out the time line is quite different than originally reported. Exactly what the Hell was going on in that room? There is something off about the whole thing.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
This is an interesting video on the acoustics of the shots , This is beyond my pay grade , but worth a listen.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Oh hell,I don't if there is a second shooter, I cant say if the input data is correct at all, Garbage in, garbage out, His methods may be 100% foolproof but if the input data is incorrect his case falls apart, But like I said, that stuff is above my pay grade.
My great conspiracy is that he belonged to a group, and that fact is being covered up for political reasons ,Im open to the idea that because he may have operated in a group its possible there could have been more than one shooter,
We were taught the flash to bang method of locating a shooter in the Army which is similar, only not as complex .
Flash-to-Bang method.
This method only works if you can observe your target firing their weapon.
In this method, range is determined by counting the seconds between the time that you see the flash and when you hear the sound of the gun firing. You can count the seconds by counting one-thousand-one, one-thousand-two, and etc., with each count being one second. Since sound travels through the air at a speed of about 330 meters per second, each second you counted equals 330 meters.
Sound delay (“crack-bang”): The enemy’s supersonic bullets produce a sonic boom, creating a “crack” sound as they pass by. If the enemy’s bullet speed is known, his range can be estimated by measuring the delay between the bullet’s passing and the sound of the rifle shot, then comparing it to a table of values. This is only effective at distances of up to 450 meters; beyond this, the delay continues to increase, but at a rate too small for humans to distinguish accurately. Also, in urban areas, the sound can give inaccurate results because the buildings in the area can relay false sound directions.
My great conspiracy is that he belonged to a group, and that fact is being covered up for political reasons ,Im open to the idea that because he may have operated in a group its possible there could have been more than one shooter,
We were taught the flash to bang method of locating a shooter in the Army which is similar, only not as complex .
Flash-to-Bang method.
This method only works if you can observe your target firing their weapon.
In this method, range is determined by counting the seconds between the time that you see the flash and when you hear the sound of the gun firing. You can count the seconds by counting one-thousand-one, one-thousand-two, and etc., with each count being one second. Since sound travels through the air at a speed of about 330 meters per second, each second you counted equals 330 meters.
Sound delay (“crack-bang”): The enemy’s supersonic bullets produce a sonic boom, creating a “crack” sound as they pass by. If the enemy’s bullet speed is known, his range can be estimated by measuring the delay between the bullet’s passing and the sound of the rifle shot, then comparing it to a table of values. This is only effective at distances of up to 450 meters; beyond this, the delay continues to increase, but at a rate too small for humans to distinguish accurately. Also, in urban areas, the sound can give inaccurate results because the buildings in the area can relay false sound directions.
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livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
ORIGINAL TIMELINE
This is the original timeline of events given out by police on Wednesday.
10:05pm: Paddock fires his first shots on the crowd, as seen on CCTV.
10:12pm: First two officers arrive on the 31st floor and announce gunfire is coming from directly above them.
10:14pm: Guard Jesus Campos approaches Paddock’s room and is shot, but only injured.
10:15pm: The last shots are fired from the suspect, per bodycam, due to Campos’ intervention.
10:17pm: The first two officers arrive on the 32nd floor from the 31st.
10:18pm: Campos tells the cops he was shot and gives them the exact location of the suspect’s room.
10:26-10:30pm: With Paddock quiet, eight additional cops arrive and they decide to evacuate the rooms on the floor.
10:55pm: Eight officers arrive in the stairwell next to the suspect’s room and find the door tampered with and a camera on a room service cart outside; they decide to hold off.
11:20pm: Paddock’s room is breached and police enter the room to find him dead.
NEW TIMELINE
This is the new timeline given out on Monday.
9:59pm: Campos approaches Paddock’s room looking for an alarm going off at a door nearby – likely from the stairwell. He is shot at and injured. He immediately notifies hotel security.
10:05pm: First shots fired by the suspect.
10:12pm: First two officers arrive on the 31st floor.
10:15pm: The last shots are fired from the suspect for reasons unknown.
10:17pm: The first two officers arrive on the 32nd floor from the 31st.
10:18pm: Campos, who has been stricken for almost 20 minutes, tells police about Paddock’s room.
10:26-10:30pm: With Paddock quiet, eight additional cops arrive and they decide to evacuate the rooms on the floor.
10:55pm: Eight officers arrive in the stairwell next to the suspect’s room and find the door tampered with and a camera on a room service cart outside; they decide to hold off.
11:20pm: Paddock’s room is breached and police enter the room to find him dead.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4964652/amp/Las-Vegas-killer-timeline-chaos-new-revelations.html
This is the original timeline of events given out by police on Wednesday.
10:05pm: Paddock fires his first shots on the crowd, as seen on CCTV.
10:12pm: First two officers arrive on the 31st floor and announce gunfire is coming from directly above them.
10:14pm: Guard Jesus Campos approaches Paddock’s room and is shot, but only injured.
10:15pm: The last shots are fired from the suspect, per bodycam, due to Campos’ intervention.
10:17pm: The first two officers arrive on the 32nd floor from the 31st.
10:18pm: Campos tells the cops he was shot and gives them the exact location of the suspect’s room.
10:26-10:30pm: With Paddock quiet, eight additional cops arrive and they decide to evacuate the rooms on the floor.
10:55pm: Eight officers arrive in the stairwell next to the suspect’s room and find the door tampered with and a camera on a room service cart outside; they decide to hold off.
11:20pm: Paddock’s room is breached and police enter the room to find him dead.
NEW TIMELINE
This is the new timeline given out on Monday.
9:59pm: Campos approaches Paddock’s room looking for an alarm going off at a door nearby – likely from the stairwell. He is shot at and injured. He immediately notifies hotel security.
10:05pm: First shots fired by the suspect.
10:12pm: First two officers arrive on the 31st floor.
10:15pm: The last shots are fired from the suspect for reasons unknown.
10:17pm: The first two officers arrive on the 32nd floor from the 31st.
10:18pm: Campos, who has been stricken for almost 20 minutes, tells police about Paddock’s room.
10:26-10:30pm: With Paddock quiet, eight additional cops arrive and they decide to evacuate the rooms on the floor.
10:55pm: Eight officers arrive in the stairwell next to the suspect’s room and find the door tampered with and a camera on a room service cart outside; they decide to hold off.
11:20pm: Paddock’s room is breached and police enter the room to find him dead.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4964652/amp/Las-Vegas-killer-timeline-chaos-new-revelations.html
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Ummm....where's the part about "200 shots being fired through the door" at the SWAT team?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Is it me or does that Sheriff look like he's under duress at every press conference.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
He looks like an honest man that's forced to be dishonest.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
It doesn't help that he's got FBI standing over his shoulder stopping him mid statement.