Cavalry
.338 Win Mag
At least the media is still hot on the trails of the inconsistencies. Hopefully the eventual clarification is not as much of a shit show as the original release.
Active Shooter Mandalay Bay
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I can't read anything highlighted in yellow.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
LAS VEGAS — The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department’s responded Thursday to a request filed on Monday by the Baltimore Post-Examiner for an explanation of the locked adjoining room, 32-134 to gunman Stephen Paddock’s suite at the Mandalay Bay Hotel.
On January 10 the Baltimore Post-Examiner published, Neither the police or the FBI have explained the locked door in Stephen Paddock’s suite.
In that story, I referred to a Nov. 2 interview with Clark County Sheriff, Joe Lombardo who runs the LVMPD, that was being conducted by Las Vegas station KLAS-TV’s investigative reporter, George Knapp.
During that interview, Lombardo said that the door inside Paddock’s suite that led to the bedroom area that had the broken-out window that was facing the fuel tanks at the airport was locked and secured and had to be explosively breached by the entry team
last Friday the LVMPD released the preliminary investigative report on the Las Vegas massacre. For the purposes of this story, I am referring to excerpts from that report that only concern room 32-134.
Excerpts as follows
Page 7: A team of officers including a Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) Operator reached the 32nd floor via the stairwell in the 100-wing. Officers did not hear gunfire coming from room 32-135.
A second explosive breach was utilized to gain access to room 32-134 through the connecting doors. Officers cleared room 32-134 finding several rifles in the room.
The details listed below were gathered from several different sources. [Lock interrogation documents are listed as one of those sources].
Page 8: Paddock booked the connecting room (32-134) for Sept. 29 through Oct. 2. Paddock was set to check out of both rooms on Oct. 2.
Page 11: Oct. 1. At approximately 1337 hours, the room service ticket [#51592684] was closed out for room 32-134 in Danley’s name. The check totaled $67.60 and included two entrees. [Danley was in the Philippines so she could not have been in the room. Two entrees could have meant two people were in the room, however, from prior experience in the industry it would not be uncommon for one person to order two meals].
From 1423 to 1940 hours, the doors for rooms 32-134 and 32-135 were manipulated multiple times. For example, the doors were opened, closed and the deadbolt locks were engaged and disengaged several times.
At approximately 2136 hours, the deadbolt to room 32-135 was engaged.
At approximately 2146 hours, the deadbolt to room 32-134 was engaged.
Page 12: Approximately 2206 hours. Security Officer Campos began walking down the 100-wing toward Center Core. Paddock fired rounds down the hallway at Security Officer Campos. Campos was struck in the left calf with a bullet fragment. He took cover in the alcove between 32-134 and 32-122.
Page 13: Approximately 2214 hours. Engineer Schuck arrived at the Center Core of the 32nd floor and walked up to the 100-wing toward room 32-135. Engineer Schuck quickly realized it was automatic gunfire. After the gunshots stopped, Security Officer Campos yelled at Engineer Schuck to take cover.
Engineer Schuck turned and took cover in the alcove between rooms 32-119 and 32-117. Paddock fired rounds down the hallway at Engineer Schuck. He was not struck by gunfire.
Page 14: Approximately 2215 hours. Paddock fired two separate volleys of an unknown number of rounds into the Las Vegas Village area.
Approximately 2216 hours. LVMPD Officers Varsin and Hendrex along with Mandalay Bay security officers made entry into the stairwell on the 31st floor.
Approximately 2257 hours. K-9 Sergeant Bitsko and SWAT Officer Hancock manually breached the door [Fire stairwell door adjacent to Paddock’s suite] barricaded with the “L” bracket.
Page 15: Approximately 2326 hours. The Strike Team made a second explosive breach from inside of room 32-135 into 32-134 through the connecting doors.
Page 27: Below on the 31st floor, LVMPD Officers Varsin and Hendrix along with Security Managers Oelke and Umstott walked up the 100-wing when they heard gunfire coming from the 32nd floor. They moved to the stairwell at the end of the hall. As they got closer to the stairwell, the gunfire continued, and they smelled gunpowder. They entered the 100-wing stairwell and proceeded up to the door of the 32nd floor. They posted up to block any possible escape by the shooter.
Page 30: Team 2 continued through the living area to the right and encountered a closed, locked connecting door leading to the adjoining room 32-134. SWAT Officer Hancock and Officer Walford attempted to kick the door open but determined it was a solid wood door inside a metal frame. It was decided a second explosive breach was needed to gain entry into the adjoining room.
The media request to the LVMPD from the Baltimore Post-Examiner
Question: If the main entry door was dead bolted to Room 32-134, that had to be done from inside that room. Expended cartridges would be from firing inside 32-134 that had the broken window that faced McCarran International Airport. If the connecting door was closed and locked that led to Room 32-134, that had to be done from inside Room 32-134. So, if the main door to that room was dead bolted then how did Paddock get out of that room. Again, the door had to be locked from inside that room, so how did he get out? What am I missing here?
LVMPD response to the Baltimore Post-Examiner
I spoke with LVMPD spokesman Larry Hadfield via telephone. I explained again what was contained in my media request. Hadfield responded that he couldn’t provide anything that specific, that he couldn’t dissect the preliminary report, it was part of the investigation and as the sheriff said there will be a comprehensive report later. Referring to the preliminary report he said, “Take it for what it’s worth.”
The preliminary investigative report states the deadbolt to room 32-134 was engaged at 2146 hours. There is no further mention whether the lock interrogations for either room 32-134 or 32-135 showed any activity once the deadbolts were engaged.
To go one step further and the civil attorneys for the victims take note of this.
The preliminary report states several times that Paddock was in and out of the hotel. I would want to check the lock interrogation reports for Paddock’s entire stay at the Mandalay Bay. Check to see if a guest key card, or any key for that matter, was used at any time while Paddock was away from the hotel, i.e. in Mesquite, NV and or his vehicle was gone from the parking area.
As a former criminal investigator, I would never have signed off on the preliminary report without explaining the mystery of room 32-134. Investigators are not mystery writers, there is always an answer and on this, they blew it.
The Mandalay Bay video surveillance footage that is in the possession of both the LVMPD and MGM Resorts International that is referenced in the LVMPD report as one of the sources used to reach their conclusions, should be released.
The families of the victims and the survivors deserve no less.
Police respond to Baltimore Post-Examiner’s questions on Stephen Paddock’s locked adjoining room
Author: Doug Poppa is a US Army Military Police Veteran, former law enforcement officer, criminal investigator and private sector security and investigations management professional with 40 years of experience. In 1986 Mr. Poppa was awarded “Criminal Investigator of the Year” by the Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office in Virginia for his undercover work in narcotics enforcement. He was also re-assigned to the Northern Virginia Regional Narcotics Enforcement Task Force for 18 months. In 1991 and again in 1992 Mr. Poppa’s testimony under oath in court led to the discovery that exculpatory evidence was withheld from the defense by the prosecutor and sheriff’s office officials during the 1988 trial of a man accused of attempted murder of his wife that led to his conviction. As a result of his testimony the man was ordered released from prison, given a new trial in 1992 and found not guilty. Mr. Poppa became the subject of local and national news media attention as a result of his testimony which led to the demise of his 12-year police career. After losing his job, at the request of the FBI, Mr. Poppa infiltrated in an undercover capacity a group of men who were plotting the kidnapping of a Dupont Chemical fortune heir and his wife in 1992. His stories have been featured on Inside Edition, A Current Affair, and CBS News’ Street Stories with Ed Bradley. Contact the author[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Here ya go Will,
A second explosive breach was utilized to gain access to room 32-134 through the connecting doors. Officers cleared room 32-134 finding several rifles in the room.
Page 8: Paddock booked the connecting room (32-134) for Sept. 29 through Oct. 2. Paddock was set to check out of both rooms on Oct. 2.
Page 11: Oct. 1. At approximately 1337 hours, the room service ticket [#51592684] was closed out for room 32-134 in Danley’s name.
From 1423 to 1940 hours, the doors for rooms 32-134 and 32-135 were manipulated multiple times. For example, the doors were opened, closed and the deadbolt locks were engaged and disengaged several times.
At approximately 2136 hours, the deadbolt to room 32-135 was engaged.
Page 15: Approximately 2326 hours. The Strike Team made a second explosive breach from inside of room 32-135 into 32-134 through the connecting doors.
Page 30: Team 2 continued through the living area to the right and encountered a closed, locked connecting door leading to the adjoining room 32-134. SWAT Officer Hancock and Officer Walford attempted to kick the door open but determined it was a solid wood door inside a metal frame. It was decided a second explosive breach was needed to gain entry into the adjoining room.
Police confirm that the doors between the adjoining rooms were locked.
A second explosive breach was utilized to gain access to room 32-134 through the connecting doors. Officers cleared room 32-134 finding several rifles in the room.
Page 8: Paddock booked the connecting room (32-134) for Sept. 29 through Oct. 2. Paddock was set to check out of both rooms on Oct. 2.
Page 11: Oct. 1. At approximately 1337 hours, the room service ticket [#51592684] was closed out for room 32-134 in Danley’s name.
From 1423 to 1940 hours, the doors for rooms 32-134 and 32-135 were manipulated multiple times. For example, the doors were opened, closed and the deadbolt locks were engaged and disengaged several times.
At approximately 2136 hours, the deadbolt to room 32-135 was engaged.
Page 15: Approximately 2326 hours. The Strike Team made a second explosive breach from inside of room 32-135 into 32-134 through the connecting doors.
Page 30: Team 2 continued through the living area to the right and encountered a closed, locked connecting door leading to the adjoining room 32-134. SWAT Officer Hancock and Officer Walford attempted to kick the door open but determined it was a solid wood door inside a metal frame. It was decided a second explosive breach was needed to gain entry into the adjoining room.
Police confirm that the doors between the adjoining rooms were locked.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It's just that not everyone uses a dark background. Yellow blends in with a white background. Perhaps Red or blue would be better.
This is what I see. It's okay on a cpu but on a phone it all blends in together because the screen is much smaller.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Sherriff confirms inner door was locked.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I put the curser on it and drag it across, it highlights in light blue, like I'm making an edit. That shows up the yellow.
Robin
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Document shows police ID’d 2nd ‘person of interest’ in days after Las Vegas shooting
Updated January 30, 2018 - 11:34 am
<img class="media-content media-img" alt="Scene&#039;s from day after the Route 91 Harvest shooting in Las Vegas October 2, 2017. Richard Brian Las Vegas Review-Journal" src="https://www.reviewjournal.com/wp-co...82_web1_route91_oct2_10022017_139_3315223.jpg" />
Scene's from day after the Route 91 Harvest shooting in Las Vegas October 2, 2017. Richard Brian Las Vegas Review-Journal
A judge on Tuesday unsealed nearly 300 pages of search warrant records, including one document that publicly identified for the first time an additional “person of interest” in the Oct. 1 massacre on the Las Vegas Strip.
“Until the investigation can rule otherwise, Marilou Danley and Douglas Haig have become persons of interest who may have conspired with Stephen Paddock to commit Murder with a Deadly Weapon,” according to the Metropolitan Police Department document, which was prepared in October.
Danley was Paddock’s girlfriend and initially was named as a person of interest in the investigation. Haig, whose name had not been previously released, could not be reached for immediate comment Tuesday.
When contacted by phone Tuesday about the newly released name, Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said only, “If you’ve got it, publish it.” He said he could not comment on a federal case.
An FBI spokeswoman said she could not immediately comment Tuesday.
During a Jan. 20 update on the shooting investigation, Lombardo noted that the FBI has an open investigation into an unnamed person of interest, though he repeatedly said Stephen Paddock was the only shooter.
Lombardo also said he did not anticipate Danley facing any criminal charges.
“I know and believe there was only one suspect who killed 58 people and injured hundreds more,” Lombardo said. “All the evidence recovered in this case supports that theory. There was one shooter in the 1 October massacre. There was only one person responsible, and that was Stephen Paddock.”
More at ...Document shows police ID’d 2nd ‘person of interest’ in days after Las Vegas shooting
Updated January 30, 2018 - 11:34 am
Scene's from day after the Route 91 Harvest shooting in Las Vegas October 2, 2017. Richard Brian Las Vegas Review-Journal
A judge on Tuesday unsealed nearly 300 pages of search warrant records, including one document that publicly identified for the first time an additional “person of interest” in the Oct. 1 massacre on the Las Vegas Strip.
“Until the investigation can rule otherwise, Marilou Danley and Douglas Haig have become persons of interest who may have conspired with Stephen Paddock to commit Murder with a Deadly Weapon,” according to the Metropolitan Police Department document, which was prepared in October.
Danley was Paddock’s girlfriend and initially was named as a person of interest in the investigation. Haig, whose name had not been previously released, could not be reached for immediate comment Tuesday.
When contacted by phone Tuesday about the newly released name, Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said only, “If you’ve got it, publish it.” He said he could not comment on a federal case.
An FBI spokeswoman said she could not immediately comment Tuesday.
During a Jan. 20 update on the shooting investigation, Lombardo noted that the FBI has an open investigation into an unnamed person of interest, though he repeatedly said Stephen Paddock was the only shooter.
Lombardo also said he did not anticipate Danley facing any criminal charges.
“I know and believe there was only one suspect who killed 58 people and injured hundreds more,” Lombardo said. “All the evidence recovered in this case supports that theory. There was one shooter in the 1 October massacre. There was only one person responsible, and that was Stephen Paddock.”
More at ...Document shows police ID’d 2nd ‘person of interest’ in days after Las Vegas shooting
prambo
.475 A&M Magnum
This is a joke. Might have been a real event twisted to a political end. Can't trust anything the FBI has had their fingers in.
freddy
.308 Win
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
Ok, so what anti-anxiety med was he prescribed? Many of them are also used to treat depression and have bad side effects if you stop taking them, like making you want to do crazy shit. All doctors want to do is pump everyone up on these drugs knowing damn well the risks.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Judge orders Las Vegas Review-Journal to destroy autopsy report
Updated February 9, 2018 - 9:18 pm
A judge on Friday ordered the Las Vegas Review-Journal and The Associated Press to destroy their copies of an autopsy report for an Oct. 1 mass shooting victim, siding with the privacy concerns of the victim’s widow.
The report was one of 58 that a different judge ordered the Clark County coroner’s office to release last week in the wake of another lawsuit, which argued that the autopsies of the Las Vegas mass shooting victims should be public. That judge also ordered the coroner’s office to release gunman Stephen Paddock’s autopsy report, which was handed over Friday afternoon.
Friday’s ruling pertained only to the autopsy report for Charleston Hartfield, an off-duty Las Vegas police officer who was killed during the shooting. He was the husband of the plaintiff, Veronica Hartfield.
The ruling by District Judge Richard Scotti also barred the newspaper and the AP from further reporting on Hartfield’s autopsy details.
Review-Journal Editor-in-Chief Keith Moyer said the newspaper would file an emergency appeal of Scotti’s decision to the Nevada Supreme Court.
“These reports are important public records. Previous rulings have held that these records must be accessible to the public,” Moyer said.
The newspaper’s attorney, Maggie McLetchie, confirmed she filed the emergency appeal Friday.
Scotti’s decision came after more than two hours of arguments, during which attorney Anthony Sgro contended that the widow’s privacy concerns far outweighed the public’s right to know. He also said the Review-Journal only sought the records in the first place “to sell newspapers.”
“They can report all they want on the happenings of the event so long as they don’t trample on the privacy rights of individuals,” Sgro said.
McLetchie called Sgro’s comments about newspaper sales “strange criticism.” She argued that despite the anguish Hartfield’s widow and other victims’ families have experienced, the First Amendment still applied.
“In the wake of a tragedy, transparency is more — not less — important,”
More at ...
Judge orders Las Vegas Review-Journal to destroy autopsy report
Updated February 9, 2018 - 9:18 pm
A judge on Friday ordered the Las Vegas Review-Journal and The Associated Press to destroy their copies of an autopsy report for an Oct. 1 mass shooting victim, siding with the privacy concerns of the victim’s widow.
The report was one of 58 that a different judge ordered the Clark County coroner’s office to release last week in the wake of another lawsuit, which argued that the autopsies of the Las Vegas mass shooting victims should be public. That judge also ordered the coroner’s office to release gunman Stephen Paddock’s autopsy report, which was handed over Friday afternoon.
Friday’s ruling pertained only to the autopsy report for Charleston Hartfield, an off-duty Las Vegas police officer who was killed during the shooting. He was the husband of the plaintiff, Veronica Hartfield.
The ruling by District Judge Richard Scotti also barred the newspaper and the AP from further reporting on Hartfield’s autopsy details.
Review-Journal Editor-in-Chief Keith Moyer said the newspaper would file an emergency appeal of Scotti’s decision to the Nevada Supreme Court.
“These reports are important public records. Previous rulings have held that these records must be accessible to the public,” Moyer said.
The newspaper’s attorney, Maggie McLetchie, confirmed she filed the emergency appeal Friday.
Scotti’s decision came after more than two hours of arguments, during which attorney Anthony Sgro contended that the widow’s privacy concerns far outweighed the public’s right to know. He also said the Review-Journal only sought the records in the first place “to sell newspapers.”
“They can report all they want on the happenings of the event so long as they don’t trample on the privacy rights of individuals,” Sgro said.
McLetchie called Sgro’s comments about newspaper sales “strange criticism.” She argued that despite the anguish Hartfield’s widow and other victims’ families have experienced, the First Amendment still applied.
“In the wake of a tragedy, transparency is more — not less — important,”
More at ...
Judge orders Las Vegas Review-Journal to destroy autopsy report
freddy
.308 Win
New video just released...
Finally, this is the evidence we have all been looking for. It undeniably proves massive coverup, massive conspiracy - beyond any shadow of a doubt, obviously.
Obvious, that is, to any true American with half a brain at least!
Finally, this is the evidence we have all been looking for. It undeniably proves massive coverup, massive conspiracy - beyond any shadow of a doubt, obviously.
Obvious, that is, to any true American with half a brain at least!
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freddy
.308 Win
So......
KEEP YER POWDER DRY!
KEEP YER POWDER DRY!
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
It proves he was in the hotel. That's about it. What did you see?
It would seem to explain how he managed to move all the weapons and ammo into his room. I am not an AR owner so I don't know if it is reasonable to disassemble the weapons in the later photographs (after he shot himself) into smaller components that would fit in the luggage on the videos.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
CGI. Not buying it.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
This right here just shows that when you are dead set on a conspiracy nothing can change your mind. Would video of him doing the actual shooting and waving to the camera before he blew his brains out be enough or would it then be some kind of fake video production. Jeesh.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
What you just wrote has nothing to do with what he said. He said that all it proves is that he was in the hotel. That's it. They could have shown video footage of any guest staying there.
freddy
.308 Win
It will never EVER be enough. No amount of physical evidence, footage, testimony, reports, etc would be enough to dispel the possibility of conspiracy . Never. There is always the possibility of something hidden, something not disclosed, something covered up. That, and the near magic of technology means we can never be truly certain what has happened. All you are left with, at some point, is a matter of trust. Trust is not popular with the regulars here - understandably, because there have been numerous cases of coverup. Now, if there is admission of coverup by a top level official or there is clear, irrefutable evidence proving conspiracy - then and only then do we truly know we got shafted. Otherwise, the doubt never ends. Such is the world we live in.
Magnus
6.5 Creedmoor
Until they release that video, I’ll always be skeptical. Who vouched for this video’s authenticity? The FBI?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Freddy. If you were staying at the hotel. And for whatever reason, they said that you did it. And they showed you in an elevator, playing slots, bringing a hooker to your room, jerking off in one of the bathrooms, ect.... Does that prove that you did it?
I know you are smarter than that. If they caught him alive and showed that video as proof to a jury, would that stand for a conviction?
Please!
What you don't understand is that we aren't saying he did it or didn't do it. He very well may have. What we are saying is that the narrative as told to us is bogus based on the evidence presented. It could very well have been him along with others. It could have not been him and instead someone else or a trio totally unrelated to him. It could have been his weapons to sell and someone else could have killed him along with doing the shooting out the window. We don't know and based on the wishy washy evidence presented that contradicts itself you don't know either. Hell, Campos could have done it.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
No, your wrong, If you never heard of Steven Paddock in your life. If you knew nothing about the shooting in Las Vegas. If you viewed this video objectively with no agenda in mind , what does it tell you? What proof of a crime does this edited video show you? Do you see a crime on the video? Do you see anything relevant to the crime other than that he was, at some point in the hotel? All you can convict him of is being in the hotel. There is nothing here.
Does it clarify if there where others with him? Does it clarify if he was selling guns? Does it clarify if he was set up? Absolutely not. All it shows is that paddock was in the hotel . We knew that already. The video clarifies nothing.
Saying that because he was there, proves he did it . is nonsense. We know he was there, nobody contested that. the video demonstrates what we already know.
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
Until there’s video of the hallway during the shooting, and immediately after, these videos show nothing other than him carrying bags into the hotel.
freddy
.308 Win
Hmmmm..... So are you saying it is possible that he acted alone?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Possible. Also possible he didn't do it. Also possible he and others did it. I already told you that.
He has never heard of a patsy before. They don't exist.
freddy
.308 Win
False dichotomy.
Yet again.