Adam Toledo, 13 year old shot
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libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
I mean if this kid is running from the police with a gun in his hands... not really sure what to say? A lot of things transpired quickly here.
Kid shouldn't have been running around with a gun. I'm sure it didn't help the way in which he turned around like that suddenly at the end either, even though he wanted to turn himself in.
Such a shame. It's hard to tell, but not sure I'm ready to blame the officer in this case.
Kid shouldn't have been running around with a gun. I'm sure it didn't help the way in which he turned around like that suddenly at the end either, even though he wanted to turn himself in.
Such a shame. It's hard to tell, but not sure I'm ready to blame the officer in this case.
Adam Toledo: Chicago police release video of officer shooting boy
Bodycam footage shows an officer shouting "drop it" before fatally shooting Adam Toledo in the chest.
www.bbc.com
I, 100%, blame the dead kid.
Videos show Adam Toledo, 13, may have dropped gun as he raised his hands when CPD officer fatally shot him
CHICAGO — A 13-year-old boy appears to have dropped a gun and raised his hands just before a Chicago police officer fatally shot him last month after a foot chase in the Little Village neighborhood…
wgntv.com
The kid shot at a passing car, eight shots at the car. He ran from the Police and when confronted, this young yut, in fact had a gun in his hand. Great situational awareness from the officer.
I don't know how the law and court of public opinion will take to this one, but fault and blame isn't what this post is about.
Some might think it's in bad taste to say something like this under the circumstances, but this forum does discuss training and skill with firearms and on those topics I thought it worth mentioning that under the circumstances this was IMO impressive shooting by this officer. With no doubt high adrenaline, and running what looked to be maybe a 100 yds or so, he barely comes to a stop (looks like he's stepping forward, then stepping backward while shooting) and places a single shot which proves completely disabling. I don't think that was at all luck; it looked like precision and confidence in training to me. How often do you see this kind of thing when an officer places just one precise shot under such circumstances ? Almost never. All I'm saying is whether or not this is considered a "good" shoot, it was skillfully controlled use of a firearm.
Also, just to be clear, I do think this is obviously a justified shoot. This, “At the time Adam was shot, he did not have a gun.”, and “That child complied. Adam complied with the officer’s request. The officer saw his hands were up and he pulled the trigger.”, stuff just pisses me off.
This still pretty much shows it all. Looks like the kid may have dropped it during his turn and probably behind his body. Can't even see it happen in the video.
Some might think it's in bad taste to say something like this under the circumstances, but this forum does discuss training and skill with firearms and on those topics I thought it worth mentioning that under the circumstances this was IMO impressive shooting by this officer. With no doubt high adrenaline, and running what looked to be maybe a 100 yds or so, he barely comes to a stop (looks like he's stepping forward, then stepping backward while shooting) and places a single shot which proves completely disabling. I don't think that was at all luck; it looked like precision and confidence in training to me. How often do you see this kind of thing when an officer places just one precise shot under such circumstances ? Almost never. All I'm saying is whether or not this is considered a "good" shoot, it was skillfully controlled use of a firearm.
Also, just to be clear, I do think this is obviously a justified shoot. This, “At the time Adam was shot, he did not have a gun.”, and “That child complied. Adam complied with the officer’s request. The officer saw his hands were up and he pulled the trigger.”, stuff just pisses me off.
This still pretty much shows it all. Looks like the kid may have dropped it during his turn and probably behind his body. Can't even see it happen in the video.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Its a shame. Where are this kids parents? That 21 year old should be charged with felony murder.
Im not sure what to make of it yet, but the kid obviously didnt want to be caught with a gun in his hand. Regardless of anything all we are going to see is a picture with the kids hands up, flashlight on him, and that the officer shot him. The context of the chase, reason for being there in the first place, and split second timing will not be looked at in the eyes of the public.
Im not sure what to make of it yet, but the kid obviously didnt want to be caught with a gun in his hand. Regardless of anything all we are going to see is a picture with the kids hands up, flashlight on him, and that the officer shot him. The context of the chase, reason for being there in the first place, and split second timing will not be looked at in the eyes of the public.
4WHLDRFTN
.308 Win
Adam Toledo: Chicago police release video of officer shooting boy
Bodycam footage shows an officer shouting "drop it" before fatally shooting Adam Toledo in the chest.
I, 100%, blame the dead kid.
yup, kid turned on the cop and pewpew ... oh well
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I don’t blame the officer but a 13 year old dead is a tragedy anyway you cut it.
Look some older piece of shit gang member gave him the gun and told him to do this and that’s who should be in the ground. The 13 year old should have had his milk and cookies and been in bed. The mom is to blame as well.
Look some older piece of shit gang member gave him the gun and told him to do this and that’s who should be in the ground. The 13 year old should have had his milk and cookies and been in bed. The mom is to blame as well.
I dont completely agree with this.
There are 13 year old kids out there that would blow your mind with the amount of violence within them.
Their age is exactly why they can be so violent. They are very impressionable and rarely think about consequences. They have no experience with the real world and their only goal in life is to be "cool". Kids under 20 kill a lot of people in this country....a shocking number of people. They are also more likely to thrill kill.....like this kid randomly shooting at passing cars. They have not been alive long enough to learn consequences.
I agree whoever gave him the gun is partly at fault but his parent hold some blame too. But, he was old enough to know he was doing wrong and for that he deserved what he got.
We also need to remember these kids have one of three types of parents.... Some at more fault than the others.
His parents could be the negligent type, who dont pay attention or even care what hes doing and maybe even participate in his hoodlum lifestyle.
Then his parents could be the type who have tried everything but chaining him to a radiator in his bedroom. They may have had him in counseling, boot camps and other programs for unruly kids.
Or, his parents may be completely shocked. This kid may have had an almost double life. He may have been a good kid around his parents but a hoodlum around his friends. I knew kids like this growing up and know that you cannot completely blame the parents for not knowing or paying attention..... some kids are very good at this.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
In the story it was the 21 year old shooting at cars, and Ill assume he gave the gun to the 13 year old when he heard sirens.
I have almost thrown up in my mouth reading all the bleeding heart bullshit in the media about how the kid was murdered. Same goes for that asshole Mayor saying the "Killings" need to stop! I know she wasn't referring to the B on B crime, and wasn't talking about the dozen or so weekly shootings in Chicago!
Also the kid was complying bullshit... If that were so, he would not have RAN from the officer. And my take is from that moment on, let alone running away while obviously ARMED, all subsequent consequences are owned by the non-compliance!
Does it suck a 13yr old was shot and died? Yes, of course. And this officer will have this on his hands, in his head, for the rest of his days!
But I don't believe that any officer has to put their own life in danger in order to take a chance that hey, maybe it's a toy gun. Maybe it's a cell phone... Like these idiots proclaiming such have NEVER had a gun pointed at them. They've never dealth with a violent felon, drug dealers, drugged up lunatic!
So here... A response to a Shots Fired call... And upon arrival 2 miscreants run and fail to comply with lawful commands to stop! One is pushed to the ground and the other who ahead continues to run and has a gun in his hand... He stops by a fence opening an turns while shielding the hand that had the gun! He motions raising his hand that had the gun!...
He ran! He failed to comply! It's all his...
And quite frankly, what choir has practice at 2:30 in the a.m.? Guess his mother never told him nothing good happens after midnight! Like WTF!
The Mayor though ... Just wow!
I'm not sure how anyone would wear a badge and subject themselves to today's ridiculous social scrutiny every single time there's an event like this... I'd be ok if the entire force called in sick and let the city to itself for a day! Maybe then the public would appreciate what the fuck the law enforcement does and provides to the city!
Again, sucks the kid is dead, RIP... But he brought it upon himself a long time before he ran from the officer, that's for sure!
Also the kid was complying bullshit... If that were so, he would not have RAN from the officer. And my take is from that moment on, let alone running away while obviously ARMED, all subsequent consequences are owned by the non-compliance!
Does it suck a 13yr old was shot and died? Yes, of course. And this officer will have this on his hands, in his head, for the rest of his days!
But I don't believe that any officer has to put their own life in danger in order to take a chance that hey, maybe it's a toy gun. Maybe it's a cell phone... Like these idiots proclaiming such have NEVER had a gun pointed at them. They've never dealth with a violent felon, drug dealers, drugged up lunatic!
So here... A response to a Shots Fired call... And upon arrival 2 miscreants run and fail to comply with lawful commands to stop! One is pushed to the ground and the other who ahead continues to run and has a gun in his hand... He stops by a fence opening an turns while shielding the hand that had the gun! He motions raising his hand that had the gun!...
He ran! He failed to comply! It's all his...
And quite frankly, what choir has practice at 2:30 in the a.m.? Guess his mother never told him nothing good happens after midnight! Like WTF!
The Mayor though ... Just wow!
I'm not sure how anyone would wear a badge and subject themselves to today's ridiculous social scrutiny every single time there's an event like this... I'd be ok if the entire force called in sick and let the city to itself for a day! Maybe then the public would appreciate what the fuck the law enforcement does and provides to the city!
Again, sucks the kid is dead, RIP... But he brought it upon himself a long time before he ran from the officer, that's for sure!
His parents/etc are to blame. Who lets a 13 yr old out that late?
Why a tragedy? This is our world.
Many years ago, a 13y/o would fight in battle.
Losing this one at 13 only saves the taxpayers money
Sorry, this is the norm. Normal, everyday Americans? This question of where are the parents would seem appropriate, but...
This, having a 13 yo out at this hour with a gun, is a normal thing in some community circles.
Very common occurance, especially in the inner city.
You are thinking normal
This 13 yo is common place.
Good people of America better wake up realize this evil is out there.
Young kids, teenages and more are out and about at all hours committing crimes against the people.
Wake up call to all... We are not living in Maybury with Andy Taylor!!
Disorienting on both ends of the gun. That's why I am not a fan.
tony
6.5 Creedmoor
Keep in mind this : 13 years old and 2:30 AM... At that age and time of night I was home in bed sleeping (in the Bronx no less).
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I get that, we are in a screwed up world and we are more isolated from alot of the evils that take place being here rather than in some 3rd world craphole. I still think its too bad when someone so young loses their life.
13 or 80...
A gun in hand represents a threat, period! And until that threat is eliminated the officer has no duty to let down his guard and not protect himself. And that doesn't mean allowing someone the first shot either! The mentality out there is ridiculous! I just don't get it ...
It's always the same! When the loser, well, loses, it's everyone else's fault! What bullshit...
So here, the kid knew exactly what he was doing, and at the last minute he thought he was going to be smarter than anyone... But he wasn't, and most criminals aren't! And this may be a clear case too why those body cams don't always help, because the after event scrutiny in frame by frame exam doesn't put you in the moment! It's easy to judge from the comfort of the armchair!
A gun in hand represents a threat, period! And until that threat is eliminated the officer has no duty to let down his guard and not protect himself. And that doesn't mean allowing someone the first shot either! The mentality out there is ridiculous! I just don't get it ...
It's always the same! When the loser, well, loses, it's everyone else's fault! What bullshit...
So here, the kid knew exactly what he was doing, and at the last minute he thought he was going to be smarter than anyone... But he wasn't, and most criminals aren't! And this may be a clear case too why those body cams don't always help, because the after event scrutiny in frame by frame exam doesn't put you in the moment! It's easy to judge from the comfort of the armchair!
I think in this case the body cam did put you in the moment. To me it proves the cop was justified in his actions. However there are people that will not see it this way no matter what the videos show.
I think the parents share a lot of blame here. Who lets their 13 year old hang around with gangbangers at all, much less at 2:30 in the morning.
I watched the videos, and the kid had a gun up until like 1 second before the cop shot him - in the last video I posted you can see him ditch it behind the fence, and on top of that the arm that had the gun was obscured from vision behind the fence and the kid spun around quick when that arm came out. Add in that they had been shooting that gun at people shortly before, and yeah I get why the cop thought the kid was going to train a gun on him.
I watched the videos, and the kid had a gun up until like 1 second before the cop shot him - in the last video I posted you can see him ditch it behind the fence, and on top of that the arm that had the gun was obscured from vision behind the fence and the kid spun around quick when that arm came out. Add in that they had been shooting that gun at people shortly before, and yeah I get why the cop thought the kid was going to train a gun on him.
This is a prime example for Americans to wake the hell up.
These types of people are everywhere, we are surrounded by this evil and violence.
Society is not your friend.
These types of people are everywhere, we are surrounded by this evil and violence.
Society is not your friend.
I'm telling you man, best decision you can make is to live where the busses don't run. Public transportation imports criminals to your neighborhood.
I do all I can to stay away from public transportation. For the majority of rides in this area, the people that ride are not my kind of person.
The last time I rode on a bus was in the 80's when I was a kid with no car.
I would be happy if they all went out of business.
It is difficult at times though, sometimes we need to shop at stores that are on direct bus lines and routes.
Good thing about bus stops, easy targets to splash with puddles of water and slush durinmg the winter.
speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
I wanna start by saying this is a tragic waste of life and talent. With better role models this kid could have been anything in life. That being said the cops training really shows here. One well placed shot stopped the threat and he almost immediately started rendering aid. I skimmed the video so I may have missed this but I don't think they checked his back for an exit wound. Meaning if there was another hole the chest seal may have not been effective. Although at that point it may not have mattered
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Ill put this case in my new book why resisting arrest is dangerous.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
CBS splices gun in Adam Toledo's hand out of police shooting video (noqreport.com)
They intentionally edited out the part of the video that shows a gun in Toledo’s hand just prior to being shot. We know it was intentional because the rest of the video edit kept Toledo in best view, but the split second in which the gun can be seen, they conveniently pulled the edit to the left to keep him hidden before panning back to show him getting shot.
They intentionally edited out the part of the video that shows a gun in Toledo’s hand just prior to being shot. We know it was intentional because the rest of the video edit kept Toledo in best view, but the split second in which the gun can be seen, they conveniently pulled the edit to the left to keep him hidden before panning back to show him getting shot.
This is typical.
The MSM should be held accountable for the protests, riots and the damage that will be caused by this disgusting vermin!