Alec Baldwin Case dismissed In Fatal ‘Rust’ Shooting

[Jmac00]

The movie John Wick, with Keanu Reeves shot thousands of rounds without incident ( that anyone knows of )

Clint Eastwood movies, again thousands of rounds fired, no one injured, ( that anyone knows of )

name any action movie, and you have tens of thousands of rounds fired and no one was injured ( that anyone knows of )

Baldwin and his armorer, should be going to jail. I suspect, Baldwin will get community service and a fine, but the armorer IS going to jail. But the state destroying evidence, thats a BIG PROBLEM

 

[zorro]

I see this getting kicked out pretty quickly when either the jury or the defence attorney ask to see the gun used

Eh, sorry, but the prosecution destroyed the main evidence your honor

 

[Acer-m14]

if the armorer was not there why should she be going to Jail .. ???

that is like someone breaks into your home and steals your gun and ammo and goes and kills someone down the street ..

but it's your fault for letting them break in and steal your gun and ammo ...

 

[kev74]

if the armorer was not there why should she be going to Jail .. ???

that is like someone breaks into your home and steals your gun and ammo and goes and kills someone down the street ..

but it's your fault for letting them break in and steal your gun and ammo ...

It was the armorers responsibility to secure the weapons. Don't know how that should translate to responsibility - did she leave them out, did someone else pull them out while she was gone?

As producer, Baldwin was the armorer's boss. So he's responsible as the person who pulled the trigger, and he's responsible for making sure the armorer did her job.

 

[Acer-m14]

??? Question .. ???

Was there even a Gun and Ammo Safe on the Set ??

if there was and the boss had the master key or combination .. he had to have had to give to the armorer ..

 

[holdover]

Live ammo is not allowed on the set , yet someone brought it, and they shot targets with live ammo . Safety protocols were violated by the studio and actors . Somebody died because of it.

 

[holdover]

This is not a who done it. Everyone knows who done it. The man holding the weapon which killed a woman in front of ten people because safety protocols were not followed . Because of his reckless and irresponsible actions .

 

[Modean]

Well, the fact is now that he is charged with INVOLUNTARY manslaughter...........................

Did not mean to do it.
Was deliberate recklessness or criminal intent involved? No--- incompetence and a stackup of acts that ultimately resulted in the tragic end..................Could Baldwin, in the act of filming that scene, deviated from the script, and shot into the wall?
No.

He is a victim, and was not drunk or high at the time.

Here is an example has has not gone to trial yet...........A truck, now Car #1...... ran a stop sign............Car#2 was driven by a 17 year old who hit the Truck at 60 mph, T-boning the truck and killing the truck driver and a passenger in the car.........

Who is to blame..2 dead................no trial yet...........

Two men die after crash near Utica

WESTMORELAND, N.Y. (WROC) – New York State Police in Marcy are investigating a fatal two-vehicle crash that took place Friday afternoon in Westmoreland. Police say the crash took place at the inter…

www.rochesterfirst.com

Read this, then tell me he’s a victim. Remember, he’s not just an actor, he’s a producer on this film.

'Rust' crew describes on-set gun safety issues and misfires days before fatal shooting

At least one of the camera operators complained last weekend to production managers about gun safety on the set.

www.latimes.com

 

[Zerex]

Again..........did he mean to shoot the victim? No...........
The case of the kid killed on the 4 wheeler is different--shooter shot at the kid............deliberately.

Involuntary manslaughter..........Jury will see it that way too, a tragic accident...........a plea bargain instead of a likely acquittal by a Jury might be predicted.

The legal definition of INVOLUNTARY manslaughter, as applied in cases, usually involved vehiclular deaths due to equipment failure AND vehicle neglect, or during street racing, or being intoxicated.......

 

[stokes]

Again..........did he mean to shoot the victim?

He pointed the gun at her for absolutely no reason, he then cocked the hammer and pulled the trigger. It was not an "accident" during a filming, it was reckless. Involuntary manslaughter is a dumbed down charge. I dont know the laws in New Mex, but in NY he could also be charged with reckless endangerment, which carries more time than some bullshit "involuntary" charge. He's getting away with mureder.

 

[Willyone]

Even on a movie set you'd have to be inept, a total idiot, to point a gun at someone and pull the trigger without first checking and making sure the gun was empty. And with todays movie making technology, ability to simulate just about anything, there's no reason to have a fully functioning firearm on the set. Firing pin should have been removed or broken/filed off. Asshole or not (and he is an asshole) Baldwin was the producer and as I understand it, the producer is responsible for everything that takes place on a movie set (please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about the responsibility part). There should be consequences for Baldwin. And the armorer is also in the wrong for not securing the gun, and for even having and leaving a functioning gun on the set. It seems she bears much of the responsibility.

To me the REAL mystery is, who put then left live ammo in the gun, and why. Seems that person is as guilty as anyone.

 

[holdover]

To me the REAL mystery is, who put then left live ammo in the gun, and why. Seems that person is as guilty as anyone.

Im all in that it was Baldwin himself. I do believe he was shooting live ammo earlier that day. And unless he had his ammo girl reload for him every six shots ,( not likely) he probably loaded the weapon himself . How easy could it have been to have a few live rounds in his pockets? We all came home from the range and found a round or two in a jacket or pocket . Who knows if she didnt just hand him the blanks against the rules? who knows if he didnt leave the blanks on a table and came back and loaded it himself?

This girl didn't have a very complicated job, what complicated it was the fact there were live rounds on set and they somehow got mixed . A mistake that would not have happened if they followed their protocols .

they are making the argument of who loaded the gun. Does'nt matter. who pointed the gun and killed a woman without checking the weapon ?

 

[Willyone]

Im all in that it was Baldwin himself. I do believe he was shooting live ammo earlier that day. And unless he had his ammo girl reload for him every six shots ,( not likely) he probably loaded the weapon himself . How easy could it have been to have a few live rounds in his pockets? We all came home from the range and found a round or two in a jacket or pocket . Who knows if she didnt just hand him the blanks against the rules? who knows if he didnt leave the blanks on a table and came back and loaded it himself?

This girl didn't have a very complicated job, what complicated it was the fact there were live rounds on set and they somehow got mixed . A mistake that would not have happened if they followed their protocols .

they are making the argument of who loaded the gun. Does'nt matter. who pointed the gun and killed a woman without checking the weapon ?

All that may or may not be true. I don't know the facts of who did what when. And all the "who knows" doesn't matter but the who and when needs to be established. All I know is what was reported on the snews a long time ago. And all I know, or think I know, is that the movie producer is responsible for what goes on, on set. And in this case Baldwin the producer shot and killed the girl, because he did not check/clear the weapon. That is on him 100%.

Still, I believe who last loaded the gun before the scene in which Baldwin pulled the trigger, and when it was loaded needs to be known. Not to remove any blame from Baldwin, but to find out who else may have contributed to the girls death. Consider this, what if someone on the set or crew wanted the girl dead, and was familiar with the upcoming scene. Might sound like a not likely, but I expect the cops are looking into that. If not they should be.

 

[stokes]

Consider this, what if someone on the set or crew wanted the girl dead, and was familiar with the upcoming scene.

Upcoming scene had nothing to do with anything, the girl that was shot dead wasnt "in the scene" and it wasnt a scene, he pointed the gun at a girl behind a camera in between takes. Maybe he wanted her dead and loaded the gun, they dont know, and have no way of knowing, bottom line, he cocked and pulled the trigger, not by accident. Like I said earlier, if I pointed a gun at you at the range and pulled the trigger the "I didnt know it was loaded" defense aint gonna save me like it is apparently saving him.

 

[Willyone]

Upcoming scene had nothing to do with anything, the girl that was shot dead wasnt "in the scene" and it wasnt a scene, he pointed the gun at a girl behind a camera in between takes. Maybe he wanted her dead and loaded the gun, they dont know, and have no way of knowing, bottom line, he cocked and pulled the trigger, not by accident. Like I said earlier, if I pointed a gun at you at the range and pulled the trigger the "I didnt know it was loaded" defense aint gonna save me like it is apparently saving him.

Welp, I wasn't there. And as I said all I know is what was in news reports soon after it happened. Reports were sketchy at the time and who knows if the reporting was accurate or honest. Guess we might find out more as time continues.

 

[kev74]

Baldwin tells us we shouldn't have guns, but wouldn't tell his staff not to play with "his" guns.

Baldwin is a commie who simps for the dem platform, but wouldn't treat his staff fairly, and hired scabs to take their place when they walked off.

I have very little tolerance for hypocrite pieces of shit.

 

[Zerex]

The jury will hear all the above..................juries tend to get it right.

I suspect a plea bargain instituted by the prosecutor, to get some justice instead of facing an acquittal.

 

[subsonic]

The jury will hear all the above..................juries tend to get it right.

You sure are full of dumb takes. Juries are a group of the dumbest people that get past two rounds of slimeball attorneys, hear what they're allowed to hear, and can come to agreement on when all of them mostly want to leave.

Almost as dumb as your take that Alec isn't responsible for his own actions.

 

[stokes]

Almost as dumb as your take that Alec isn't responsible for his own actions.

Seems to have a creepy bromance going on with Alec

 

[Zerex]

"Just the facts mam", just the facts"

Jury will decide...............not me.

I have served on several juries..............all human beings.................juries pick a forepeson but a logical person can dominate the deliberations and do jury nullification.

One case--- a guy was charged with killing a drug dealer in Utica near his home............no gun was ever found.................but they picked him to prosecute, because he had warned the drug dealer to stay away..........with witnesses....................................so I hung the jury to the point we finally acquitted him...............right is right. Guy was protecting his kids in Cornhill...and words are just words..not glocks.

Another burglar case..................guy was charged with no proof whatsoever................turned out a defective search warrant lost the proof...................but we said WTF is going on???? No proof.......so we let him go...............he then joined the Marines...............

Another case where it was clear that there was a very weak case..jury body language must have convinced the prosecutor to offer a plea deal............ juries can get it right.

Another case where a jilted woman killed her former boyfriend, "by mistake", with a big kitchen knife while they were walking on the street talking/arguing.
Prosecutor strangely said she was a abused woman.......... thinking we might let her go on manslaughter.........45 minutes later she was convicted of 2nd degree murder.

It is a hoot sitting in judgement. Try it.

 

[subsonic]

I have served on several juries..............

Thanks for proving my point. I am completely unsurprised that you've managed to get picked for several juries. See my above comment on the composition of juries.

 

[Zerex]

I go out of my way to avoid jury duty...............but when compelled, I do my citizens duty.

I have never been called for a Federal, or local Grand jury.......but I understand that I have been part of an inquest, among others...........

Juries are now about obsolete in NYS, as the appearance ticket that minorities get for all crimes, never get anywhere, in this CCP controlled state.

 

[Robin]

Course, there is the possibility that the DA found out Alecs' a closet conservative.
robin

 

[Dr. Evil]

Armorer on Alec Baldwin Movie ‘Rust’ Found Guilty of Involuntary Manslaughter

The decision came after less than three hours of deliberation.

www.theepochtimes.com

 

[Jmac00]

Armorer on Alec Baldwin Movie ‘Rust’ Found Guilty of Involuntary Manslaughter

The decision came after less than three hours of deliberation.

www.theepochtimes.com

because someone has to take the fall for Baldwin killing someone

 

[Cooolone]

If she's found guilty, he doesn't stand a chance of getting off because he's the one who actually pulled the trigger!

Bet he's in spin mode right now...

 

[masterswimmer]

If she's found guilty, he doesn't stand a chance of getting off because he's the one who actually pulled the trigger!

Bet he's in spin mode right now...

You'd think that would be the case, right?
However, after Mar-A-Lago was raided for our fearless leader DJT possessing unsecured confidential documents pertaining to national security in his high security locked dwelling, and being charged with those crimes, you'd think President Peanut Brains would be charged with the same crime for keeping confidential national security risk documents in his unsecure garage. But in all fairness, those documents were hidden behind his corvette.

So no @Cooolone, I don't think Baldwin is in spin mode right now. Nor do I believe he has to worry about the verdict. We are living in bizarro world.

 

[Jmac00]

Baldwin has been acquitted twice??? Unless something weird happens, like someone gets common sense, I think baldwin will walk again.

The real pisser is, if it was anyone else, like a normal person, we'd already be in jail

 

[fresch]

If you die in the hospital because you were given the wrong meds. but the doctor ordered the correct meds., is the doctor responsible?
Should he have stopped, gone to the lab and tested the drug first?
It is the fault of the armorer AND the fault of the person in charge; Baldwin.
Baldwin is in charge and knew live fire was happening with his gun.
Baldwin as an actor is just that an actor, dumb as a box of rocks, a fool.
Baldwin as director is responsible as is the armorer.

 

[stokes]

Baldwin as director is responsible as is the armorer.

And he's responsible because he pulled the fuckin trigger when it wasnt even being filmed, there was no reason to do it.