Ammo background checks to begin mid-September?

[Bigfoot]

I dare say that us people in WNY have more in common with the people of NW Pennsylvania or NE Ohio than we do with the people in NYC, Connecticut, or Massachusetts.

I will never purchase ammo in New York, I will not play their fucking game... YMMV
Anyone familiar with the covid thread knows how I roll when it comes to tyrannical bullshit.


Mask Denier Pure Blood logging off.
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[Deplorable Me]

'It's not working': State police ammo database sees issues, delays

The new law took effect Sept. 13.

spectrumlocalnews.com

 

[Saltwater60]

Sadly, you’re contributing to the losing side in either situation. Save your money for one more pizza.

We’re contributing to the winning side as well, just unwillingly through taxes.

 

[thisIslandEarth]

I'm going out today to Runnings to buy some 22LR. I just need to remind myself it's NOT the salesclerks fault...

It's a nope - not doing it today. The clerk is backed up. He told me it takes him 15-20 minutes just to enter all the information the state is asking for and it takes him longer if you have a variety/caliber/quantity of ammunition. He was getting about 70% delays to approvals. Delays would take from 10 minutes to 3 days!! He said it seems to be a crap shoot. I felt more sorry for him than I did for me. So anyone in that store with valid pistol permits have a 70% of getting a delay - today anyways.

 

[thughes]

A Right delayed is a Right denied......

 

[Beerman]

A Right delayed is a Right denied......

That would be true if we had any rights in NYS.

 

[FP1201]

too little too late

Another "I support the Second Amendment, but..."
I believe He's also claimed as a defendant on the alleged lawsuit being filed by the NY Firearms association... and IF it's the one that I read (and I thi

why do you think i posting his stuff .



I know ..

i'm still waiting for SCOPE to make a come back ..

SCOPE has two factions: A State Directorship, and Local Chapters.
Last Monday night I attended one for the Local Chapter, and their Guest Speaker was Tom Reynolds (Past President, and current Treasurer) and I found them worthy of membership and support... I know several of the Local Chapter Members, and believe me they're in it to restore and protect our Rights.
Given what I saw and heard, I believe SCOPE is making a comeback!

 

[FP1201]

BTW, That population is from the 2020 census. I didn't add in the new 300,000 illegals added to the liberal voting rosters recently.

NYC certainly has more voters and the replacement from across the Border will cover the number that have fled to Free States, but here's the thing: IF we could get the Gun Owners (lumping together Hunters, Target, etc.) to actually get off their defeatist, apathetic, lazy asses and actually WORK towards finding, and actively supporting Pro-gun Candidates we could take control, but they just won't, they continue with same asinine excuses every cycle and have the nerve to bitch about what happens.... given the definition of insanity being "doing the same think over and over expecting a different outcome" perhaps, the anti-gun people are right when they call us wack-jobs that shouldn't have guns.

 

[HIghlander]

 

[Vinson57]

Everyone needs to go buy ammo some where and see what happens for themselves and document what happens if it turns out bad. As simple as one box of 22 rimfire.

I got one box of 22 ammo and it took 5 minutes as no one at the ammo counter. They made me pay the 2.50 first and then then they did the check and it came back approved and then I paid for the ammo.

Do I think it will be this way every time? They will fuck it up.

They need a list of any secret things they thought of why they think a person cannot buy ammo.

 

[Bigfoot]

TL;DR - New York is done for, it's been toast for a long time at this point.
It will just get even worse from now on. The history of New York proves me correct.


Do you all see where this is going? You should, and I would expect you to.
Ho Lee Fuk! Nothing like voluntarily creating an illegal gun registry/database... Duh.

It's not going to end with the new NYSP/NICS background checks. Just like it didn't end with the NY Unsafe Act. And I'm pretty sure that all of you NYGF members know that. Next up, is the no transportation of ammo across state lines and no semi-autos too.

I respect 99% of the members here on this forum and we're going to each have our different tolerances for unconstitutional bullshit that we are willing to deal with. And I totally get that. But I have to say, that constantly playing by their rules will certainly be our doom. Look where it's gotten us thus far.

For fucks sake how could anyone not see this coming since 2013?
Why wouldn't every gun owner in New York not have an ammo fort by now?

I don't know what to say anymore. I'm not a native of New York and I can definitely see a difference in what people are willing to tolerate between a free state and a state like New York State.

I was born and raised in South Carolina and I lived in Arizona for three years before I came to New York. I have personally lived and seen that there is a big difference in an overall citizen's thought pattern between different regions of our country. And that's why, oh fuck it why do I bother anymore.

I just need to get the fuck out of commie New York.

At this point, I do not think that in general New York gun owners have a line in the sand. The term pussy whipped comes to mind. I will never ever go through a BGC to simply buy ammo, no fucking way. I'm not playing along, there are other legal options to be used, for now.



I really need to go back to where I came from. It's time, it's beyond time.
I'm not about to live the rest of my life acting like an abused wife to exercise a constitutional right.

And I don't want to pay even more of my hard-earned money that I work for every fucking day. Going toward the inevitable tax increases that are sure to come to support Kathy Hochul's illegal turd worlders.

I suppose I'm getting off-topic now so this rant is over...



But for those of you who post - "jUsT mOvE tO A fReE sTaTe" - herp derp.

Yeah, good luck with fighting the fight here in New York State that's not even really a fight if you stop and think about it for a second.

Ray Charles's butt hairs can see where New York is going and there's no stopping it.
Prove me wrong.


Mask Denier Pure Blood over and out... ... just sayin' get my drift?

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[Bigfoot]

I'm not on the side of Hochul the Horrible and her fellow Democrat gun grabbers.
It's time to pick a side. And that means LE too. How far is too far? Where is the line in the sand?

DON'T. PLAY. BY. THE. NY. COMMUNIST. RULES. FUCK. THEM.

If you are an American, act like an American.

No matter what state you're living in.




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[Acer-m14]

beyond 5th Amendment issues, participants in the affidavit/registration scheme are also in violation of the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act by participating in a federally illegal registration of firearms....

So they want us to lie on the affidavit and state that filing such is voluntary (no, we are under duress with the threat of criminal prosecution) and provide information that builds a registry.

The ( insert State Police name here ) et al are forcing us (or be criminally prosecuted) to violate the law...

If only the ##th Circuit court wasn't so busy doing other stuff....

"No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established." - 18 U.S. Code § 926

18 U.S. Code § 926 - Rules and regulations

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[Truebeliever]

Guys, what is the penalty if someone sells ammo without doing the background check? Is it like the failure to recertify a lifetime permit?

 

[Grimscale]

"No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established." - 18 U.S. Code § 926

Anyone want to tell that asshole S.C. member why "pistol permit schemes are constitutional" is just plain wrong?

 

[Deplorable Me]

beyond 5th Amendment issues, participants in the affidavit/registration scheme are also in violation of the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act by participating in a federally illegal registration of firearms....

So they want us to lie on the affidavit and state that filing such is voluntary (no, we are under duress with the threat of criminal prosecution) and provide information that builds a registry.

The ( insert State Police name here ) et al are forcing us (or be criminally prosecuted) to violate the law...

If only the ##th Circuit court wasn't so busy doing other stuff....

"No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established." - 18 U.S. Code § 926

18 U.S. Code § 926 - Rules and regulations

www.law.cornell.edu

In otherwords, NY has established an illegal gun registry. Sieg Hochul.

 

[thisIslandEarth]

TL;DR - New York is done for, it's been toast for a long time at this point.
It will just get even worse from now on. The history of New York proves me correct.


Do you all see where this is going? You should, and I would expect you to.
Ho Lee Fuk! Nothing like voluntarily creating an illegal gun registry/database... Duh.

It's not going to end with the new NYSP/NICS background checks. Just like it didn't end with the NY Unsafe Act. And I'm pretty sure that all of you NYGF members know that. Next up, is the no transportation of ammo across state lines and no semi-autos too.

I respect 99% of the members here on this forum and we're going to each have our different tolerances for unconstitutional bullshit that we are willing to deal with. And I totally get that. But I have to say, that constantly playing by their rules will certainly be our doom. Look where it's gotten us thus far.

For fucks sake how could anyone not see this coming since 2013?
Why wouldn't every gun owner in New York not have an ammo fort by now?

I don't know what to say anymore. I'm not a native of New York and I can definitely see a difference in what people are willing to tolerate between a free state and a state like New York State.

I was born and raised in South Carolina and I lived in Arizona for three years before I came to New York. I have personally lived and seen that there is a big difference in an overall citizen's thought pattern between different regions of our country. And that's why, oh fuck it why do I bother anymore.

I just need to get the fuck out of commie New York.

At this point, I do not think that in general New York gun owners have a line in the sand. The term pussy whipped comes to mind. I will never ever go through a BGC to simply buy ammo, no fucking way. I'm not playing along, there are other legal options to be used, for now.



I really need to go back to where I came from. It's time, it's beyond time.
I'm not about to live the rest of my life acting like an abused wife to exercise a constitutional right.

And I don't want to pay even more of my hard-earned money that I work for every fucking day. Going toward the inevitable tax increases that are sure to come to support Kathy Hochul's illegal turd worlders.

I suppose I'm getting off-topic now so this rant is over...



But for those of you who post - "jUsT mOvE tO A fReE sTaTe" - herp derp.

Yeah, good luck with fighting the fight here in New York State that's not even really a fight if you stop and think about it for a second.

Ray Charles's butt hairs can see where New York is going and there's no stopping it.
Prove me wrong.


Mask Denier Pure Blood over and out... ... just sayin' get my drift?

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Well said my friend. As long as NY'ers have our proverbial "bread and circuses" there will never be a line in the sand in this state. The powers-that-be in this state know that they can get exactly what they want by INCREMENTALLY taking away our freedoms little by little until we're so conditioned to accept any decree that comes down we eventually succumb.
They knew that they could not just come and take our guns because that would be too abrupt an ass fucking. So, they peck us to death.
The reality is that the only option is to leave NY if you can. Many cannot for a variety of reasons.
There is no stopping it indeed.
Sure, I'll keep voting. But, if we're honest with ourselves we are just pissin in the wind.
My 2 cents ...

 

[Hochulsucks1234]

After 2013 I invested a lot into reloading. I knew what was coming...and it did. After 2021 I got the rest of the semi autos I wanted. Again, I know what it is coming for those type of weapons, the permit requirement is the start of it, bans are next.

I am stuck here for now. Once the kids are through with school we are out. Until then I will shoot as much as I always have, just be a little more time spent in the reloading room and some out of state trips. I won't let these tyrants dampen my spirits.

 

[Bigfoot]

Aren't background checks something relatively new? No historical precedents.


# Bruen

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[Saltwater60]

Aren't background checks something relatively new? No historical precedents.


# Bruen

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Absolutely correct but no court and no judge will get rid of them. Mark my words on this one they are here to stay. The ammo ones might get tweaked or turn into an ID a check or something but gun purchase background checks will never go away, it’s political suicide.

 

[Zerex]

I just returned from Pa, on a trip................. to buy a car. Passed thru Gestapo check points; Google maps somehow told me about speed traps ahead.

EZ pass cameras caught the entire operation.

I really did buy a car.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

TL;DR - New York is done for, it's been toast for a long time at this point.
It will just get even worse from now on. The history of New York proves me correct.


Do you all see where this is going? You should, and I would expect you to.
Ho Lee Fuk! Nothing like voluntarily creating an illegal gun registry/database... Duh.

It's not going to end with the new NYSP/NICS background checks. Just like it didn't end with the NY Unsafe Act. And I'm pretty sure that all of you NYGF members know that. Next up, is the no transportation of ammo across state lines and no semi-autos too.

I respect 99% of the members here on this forum and we're going to each have our different tolerances for unconstitutional bullshit that we are willing to deal with. And I totally get that. But I have to say, that constantly playing by their rules will certainly be our doom. Look where it's gotten us thus far.

For fucks sake how could anyone not see this coming since 2013?
Why wouldn't every gun owner in New York not have an ammo fort by now?

I don't know what to say anymore. I'm not a native of New York and I can definitely see a difference in what people are willing to tolerate between a free state and a state like New York State.

I was born and raised in South Carolina and I lived in Arizona for three years before I came to New York. I have personally lived and seen that there is a big difference in an overall citizen's thought pattern between different regions of our country. And that's why, oh fuck it why do I bother anymore.

I just need to get the fuck out of commie New York.

At this point, I do not think that in general New York gun owners have a line in the sand. The term pussy whipped comes to mind. I will never ever go through a BGC to simply buy ammo, no fucking way. I'm not playing along, there are other legal options to be used, for now.



I really need to go back to where I came from. It's time, it's beyond time.
I'm not about to live the rest of my life acting like an abused wife to exercise a constitutional right.

And I don't want to pay even more of my hard-earned money that I work for every fucking day. Going toward the inevitable tax increases that are sure to come to support Kathy Hochul's illegal turd worlders.

I suppose I'm getting off-topic now so this rant is over...



But for those of you who post - "jUsT mOvE tO A fReE sTaTe" - herp derp.

Yeah, good luck with fighting the fight here in New York State that's not even really a fight if you stop and think about it for a second.

Ray Charles's butt hairs can see where New York is going and there's no stopping it.
Prove me wrong.


Mask Denier Pure Blood over and out... ... just sayin' get my drift?

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Hey @Bigfoot. I'm in agreement with you. And as an Ex-NY'er now enjoying living in SC, may I suggest you come on back? Life is good here!

 

[Deplorable Me]

 

[CaliberPlus]

I read one of the proposed bills, maybe it was in two (or more). The phrase "no gun data database".

Here is one, in Assembley and Senate:

NY A01566​

Summary​

Restricts the sale of ammunition to only individuals authorized to possess such weapon; creates the no-gun database under the division of criminal justice services.

There's lots more. If anyone thinks this is the end, well, maybe dig your head out and take a breath.

 

[Saltwater60]

I read one of the proposed bills, maybe it was in two (or more). The phrase "no gun data database".

Here is one, in Assembley and Senate:

NY A01566​

Summary​

Restricts the sale of ammunition to only individuals authorized to possess such weapon; creates the no-gun database under the division of criminal justice services.

There's lots more. If anyone thinks this is the end, well, maybe dig your head out and take a breath.

What’s the no-gun database? As in like you’re a prohibited person and you can’t own a gun? If so shouldn’t they already have that if they are so, so good as they claim?
I would imagine if you do an ammo background check and you’re a prohibited person you would get a visit from the grey shirt purple tie folks.
I’m glad you’re shouting this from the rooftops but I would hope nearly all of us on here would know this is a registry and a database of who owns and has what. The question is what will they do with this and what’s their next move? I personally think their next move is to ban semi auto rifles in 5 years or so but that’s just me. I will not get the endorsement and I will not buy ammo in NYS.

 

[ManualF150]

What’s the no-gun database? As in like you’re a prohibited person and you can’t own a gun? If so shouldn’t they already have that if they are so, so good as they claim?
I would imagine if you do an ammo background check and you’re a prohibited person you would get a visit from the grey shirt purple tie folks.
I’m glad you’re shouting this from the rooftops but I would hope nearly all of us on here would know this is a registry and a database of who owns and has what. The question is what will they do with this and what’s their next move? I personally think their next move is to ban semi auto rifles in 5 years or so but that’s just me. I will not get the endorsement and I will not buy ammo in NYS.

If I was a betting man... I agree with them banning semi auto rifles in 5 years.

 

[CaliberPlus]

I should list the crap that is in Assembly and Senate. I think there is a thread about it. I started to look at the federal crap and I just ...can't.

Today I did have one ammo check pass. The others are delayed. Gotta love it.

 

[thughes]

Ordered several thousand rounds from Aim Surplus this morning, Brown Santa is scheduled to drop it on my doorstep tomorrow by 3:00 pm.

I just cannot imagine the frustration of my friends in NY right now......sorry guys.

 

[Deplorable Me]

For the next tragic boating accident, why not invite the pricks that pass these laws?

 

[Nevar]

With respect You jerks here voted for the [ censored] or did not try to talk to liberal friends. . You get what you voted for.