Ammo background checks to begin mid-September?

[Beerman]

7-20-23, 0905EDT. I received a phone call from Senator Dan Stec’s legal aid regarding the ammo BGC, and other parts of the CCIA. I e was politely and respectfully told (over and over again) that I was asking questions that cannot be answered. Questions like, “Will the BGCs actually begin on Sept 13th,” “Will online ammo purchases still be lawful if the BGC occurs at the local FFL, or are out of state retailers expected to conduct the NYS BGC,” etc. The new regs say nothing about ammunition transfers, only purchases in NYS, so we’re once again in a conundrum of ambiguity, lack of foresight and intentional vagueness. All of which I politely, resp3ctfully conveyed to the aid. He understood, agreed with me, and professed to being a concealed carrier, active target shooter and avid hunter. He spoke the language, and even cast some ethically professional derision upon the anti-gun crowd. But we have no new answers, as he said. I’ll try contacting the NYSP.

 

[CaliberPlus]

If you are a dealer, the info 855-LAW-GUNS is the phone number. At least it was. I have not called. The last time I called the pistol permit division, fall last year, I spoke with a civilian, reading from a cheat sheet.

7-20-23, 0905EDT. I received a phone call from Senator Dan Stec’s legal aid regarding the ammo BGC, and other parts of the CCIA. I e was politely and respectfully told (over and over again) that I was asking questions that cannot be answered. Questions like, “Will the BGCs actually begin on Sept 13th,” “Will online ammo purchases still be lawful if the BGC occurs at the local FFL, or are out of state retailers expected to conduct the NYS BGC,” etc. The new regs say nothing about ammunition transfers, only purchases in NYS, so we’re once again in a conundrum of ambiguity, lack of foresight and intentional vagueness. All of which I politely, resp3ctfully conveyed to the aid. He understood, agreed with me, and professed to being a concealed carrier, active target shooter and avid hunter. He spoke the language, and even cast some ethically professional derision upon the anti-gun crowd. But we have no new answers, as he said. I’ll try contacting the NYSP.

The last I knew, the SP have no answers. About 9/12 I expect Hochul to "clarify", like she tried to on 8/31/22 on the CCIA and the regs taking effect 9/4/22.

 

[Vapor]

Where the hell are you guys getting the idea you need a PA pistol permit to buy ammo? Total nonsense. Step one: go to pa. Step 2. Buy ammo. The end.

You don't even need a pa permit to buy a pistol if you are a pa resident. They never ask for a permit for pistol ammo.


If the store is asking for your ID, they are just harassing you. There is no legal issue buying ammo in pa.

 

[Acer-m14]

I bet Leo is exempt .... correct ??

 

[Acer-m14]

background checks and a fee will be charged for voting at the next election .

 

[Acer-m14]

19:45 min start there .. wait for the drop at 20 mins and on ..

buy a gun . 4473 call nicks .. buy ammo in NYS .. call NYS and they Call NICS ..

didn't they already say no on using them back in the unsafe act ..

WTF ..

 

[Bustedknees]

7-20-23, 0905EDT. I received a phone call from Senator Dan Stec’s legal aid regarding the ammo BGC, and other parts of the CCIA. I e was politely and respectfully told (over and over again) that I was asking questions that cannot be answered. Questions like, “Will the BGCs actually begin on Sept 13th,” “Will online ammo purchases still be lawful if the BGC occurs at the local FFL, or are out of state retailers expected to conduct the NYS BGC,” etc. The new regs say nothing about ammunition transfers, only purchases in NYS, so we’re once again in a conundrum of ambiguity, lack of foresight and intentional vagueness. All of which I politely, resp3ctfully conveyed to the aid. He understood, agreed with me, and professed to being a concealed carrier, active target shooter and avid hunter. He spoke the language, and even cast some ethically professional derision upon the anti-gun crowd. But we have no new answers, as he said. I’ll try contacting the NYSP.

You should've called Kathy. She has the answers you don't want.

 

[That_FNG]

Well golly gee wilickers what could this store in PA be? I better go investigate!

 

[Bigfoot]

There was a time in my life. That if someone told me that there will come a time that people will have to have to go through a criminal background check just to purchase ammunition. I would not have believed them, even for New York.

I think that we battered and bruised New York gun owners just get numb to it all after a while.
But just stop and think just how stupid that sounds, going through a criminal background check to buy ammo.

Ho Lee Fuk, that's fucking ridiculous, it really is, what's next?



New York is the village idiot of the country.

 

[spat]

Not to worry. The federal government is busy trying to push FFLs out of business. No FFLs, no gun or ammo sales! Easy peasy.

You can't put them out of business.

You can only force them underground.

Once that happens, then they are completely unregulated.

Just like the undocumented pharmacies you can find in every city.

 

[Saltwater60]

I bet Leo is exempt .... correct ??

They are. My brother is a cop and told me he’s still getting it shipped to his door. I said don’t forget about me but I got no love.

 

[That_FNG]

They are. My brother is a cop and told me he’s still getting it shipped to his door. I said don’t forget about me but I got no love.

Imagine if all the FFL’s and ammo retailers made all LEO’s and retired LEO’s follow the rules and restrictions as the other civilians in NYS.

 

[Acer-m14]

Imagine if all the FFL’s and ammo retailers made all LEO’s and retired LEO’s follow the rules and restrictions as the other civilians in NYS.

my store my rules

 

[CaliberPlus]

They are. My brother is a cop and told me he’s still getting it shipped to his door. I said don’t forget about me but I got no love.

I think it may be the company that he deals with. Some just thumb their nose at NY. I have found no exceptions for LE in the most recent laws. I have sold ammo to LE and they go thru the same process an anybody else. It has been discussed several times in the shop about how there is no exception to the CCIA and the other crap for LE.

I could be wrong but I just have not found the exception.

 

[Robin]

So much for equal protection under law. More like unequal persecution under the unconstitutional law.
Robin

 

[Rocpo]

background checks and a fee will be charged for voting at the next election .

I wouldn't mind this. Infringe all rights equally.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

They are. My brother is a cop and told me he’s still getting it shipped to his door. I said don’t forget about me but I got no love.

If he won't even order your ammo now, wait until he gets the order to start rounding people up.

 

[thughes]

QQ (may have already been addressed): What about sales of ammo between private individuals? Is that illegal now too?

 

[FrankenCub]

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Well golly gee wilickers what could this store in PA be? I better go investigate!

Isn't that one of the first places to cave and refuse to ship most stuff to NY? There was a time I ordered all sorts of standard capacity mags and 75rd drums for my AK from them. But that was many years ago.

 

[Saltwater60]

I think it may be the company that he deals with. Some just thumb their nose at NY. I have found no exceptions for LE in the most recent laws. I have sold ammo to LE and they go thru the same process an anybody else. It has been discussed several times in the shop about how there is no exception to the CCIA and the other crap for LE.

I could be wrong but I just have not found the exception.

The on line retailer could be wrong or it could be that the fact that the background check didn’t actually come into effect. I don’t know since I’m not an LEO so I have not looked into it. I was complaining that TSUSA wasn’t shipping to NYS anymore and he said I just got ammo shipped to me from them. I asked clarifying questions and he confirmed it was after we peons were told no. This could have changed since this was some time ago.

 

[Vapor]

I've seen police is guns stores ranting and raving they didn't need to do a 4473. They have no idea.

 

[Acer-m14]

QQ (may have already been addressed): What about sales of ammo between private individuals? Is that illegal now too?

rule #1 on selling ammo .. don't talk about selling ammo LOL ..

Ammunition Registration

gunsafety.ny.gov

 

[ManualF150]

rule #1 on selling ammo .. don't talk about selling ammo LOL ..

Ammunition Registration

gunsafety.ny.gov

I feel the same applies for reloading now too.

The queen will come up with some stupid law to ban primers, powder, and bullets... and shit even brass.

 

[Robin]

Me and the Bud's headed home after a Penn ammo run.
Robin

 

[FP1201]

background checks and a fee will be charged for voting at the next election .

Actually, I'm all for that; in fact, unless you own property and or pay income taxes you should not have a say in where Our Money is spent.... this is how it was, and the reason it changed was because unscrupulous politicians figured out they could get more votes and gain more power if they promised free shit to those ineligible, and once a few got in, it was easier to change the Laws and before long took control all by promising to "help" those willing to suck uncle sam's dick for free shit.

 

[Willyone]

Actually, I'm all for that; in fact, unless you own property and or pay income taxes you should not have a say in where Our Money is spent.... this is how it was, and the reason it changed was because unscrupulous politicians figured out they could get more votes and gain more power if they promised free shit to those ineligible, and once a few got in, it was easier to change the Laws and before long took control all by promising to "help" those willing to suck uncle sam's dick for free shit.

Agree. A person should have some skin in the game in order to vote for who and how our tax $$ is spent.

 

[Beerman]

Agree. A person should have some skin in the game in order to vote for who and how our tax $$ is spent.

And, thereby, we return full circle to taxation without representation.

 

[Acer-m14]

Agree. A person should have some skin in the game in order to vote for who and how our tax $$ is spent.

the state and fed budget should be up to the people to vote on .. after they publish it

not them slimy sleeze balls that get into office adding there pork to it .. .. they should not be allowed to vote and pass there own budget ..


should be just like a town voting on the school budget ..

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[subsonic]

And, thereby, we return full circle to taxation without representation.

Wrong, the property owners are by and large the ones paying the taxes. What we have now, is a large mass of non-taxpayers, most with no historic connection to America, voting in their own benefits on the backs of the taxpayers.

Also, only male heads of households voted. Changing that was a disaster.