Ammo background checks to begin mid-September?

[FP1201]

Knowing what's coming, both Dealers and consumers have to make a choice: Stay in Business and Conform to the demands of the State, or close up Shop. Closing in protest denies them the information, Tax revenue, and Citizens their Right to procure, as well as any profit from the investment of time and effort; Honestly, the State doesn't give fat flying fuck about how much they loose, only they get what they think they're entitled to collect, and the down-state fucktards that implemented all this get to gloat about shutting down gun dealers and the sale of guns & ammunition. (The Chinese will be happy about this)
The Consumer can either Pay & support the FFL's that choose to remain open and ostensibly in compliance, sure some will venture out or have ammunition shipped in, but that only goes so far, then there's transfers: who's going to receive that new gun you bought at a deal on-line? Will their Charges still make it a bargain? How about the freight on it? Some will "do without" or just not buy anything, which again will make the NYC coalitions happy at the expense of YOUR happiness (remember that thing about "... Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."?

There are plenty that'll say I'm a conspiracy theorist, or nut-job, that it's baseless hyperbole, but it is still my opinion: Economic collapse is coming, the Democrats, RINO's and DINO's know it and have sold us out to the Chinese the way the Vichi sold out the French People... They can't take us without a fight, and fighting requires guns and ammo, and what they can't outright take, they'll ban, outlaw, regulate, and demand registration of... Registration, even if DeFacto, knowing that YOU bought something and where you live will make you a target for confiscation and re-education if not death... Say, isn't Sam's running a special on Aluminum Foil?

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Knowing what's coming, both Dealers and consumers have to make a choice: Stay in Business and Conform to the demands of the State, or close up Shop. Closing in protest denies them the information, Tax revenue, and Citizens their Right to procure, as well as any profit from the investment of time and effort; Honestly, the State doesn't give fat flying fuck about how much they loose, only they get what they think they're entitled to collect, and the down-state fucktards that implemented all this get to gloat about shutting down gun dealers and the sale of guns & ammunition. (The Chinese will be happy about this)
The Consumer can either Pay & support the FFL's that choose to remain open and ostensibly in compliance, sure some will venture out or have ammunition shipped in, but that only goes so far, then there's transfers: who's going to receive that new gun you bought at a deal on-line? Will their Charges still make it a bargain? How about the freight on it? Some will "do without" or just not buy anything, which again will make the NYC coalitions happy at the expense of YOUR happiness (remember that thing about "... Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."?

There are plenty that'll say I'm a conspiracy theorist, or nut-job, that it's baseless hyperbole, but it is still my opinion: Economic collapse is coming, the Democrats, RINO's and DINO's know it and have sold us out to the Chinese the way the Vichi sold out the French People... They can't take us without a fight, and fighting requires guns and ammo, and what they can't outright take, they'll ban, outlaw, regulate, and demand registration of... Registration, even if DeFacto, knowing that YOU bought something and where you live will make you a target for confiscation and re-education if not death... Say, isn't Sam's running a special on Aluminum Foil?

For those of you left in NYS, the end game is obvious, - and downright criminal. I am grateful that I still live in free America (at the moment at least).

Motherfuckers!

 

[CaliberPlus]

Runnings (Brockport), manager said Sept 16 is their go date...$2.50 for each check for ammo (no limit on ammo amount), additonal $9.00 for firearm purchases. Gotta love the Dem One-Party-States like NY...

Gotta love how the big box stores seem to know this and I am still waiting for the damn letter. I was really hoping to get hunting season done before this crap started. I have a fair amount of ammo ahead. I really hate this state.

I see a red line which I am quickly being pushed against. I have hated every P12 I have filled out and I truly believe the handgun regs are illegal. I am not willing to give a helping hand to the long gun registry and ammunition. Along with the fact there are a whole lot of other things in the "regs"....I am so sick of hearing the line "they can't do that". Heard it again Sat.

This is a crappy situation and the legislators will be back in session soon. I can hardly wait to see what is next and there will be a next. It is a lot like watching what you care for die.

 

[Hochulsucks1234]

Scouring through this thread I find some conflicting information. What is this about firearm purchase background checks handled by state in September? I asked my FFL and he was not aware of that. I see nothing on the states website about this either. Am I reading this wrong? Please tell me I am lol

 

[FP1201]

Scouring through this thread I find some conflicting information. What is this about firearm purchase background checks handled by state in September? I asked my FFL and he was not aware of that. I see nothing on the states website about this either. Am I reading this wrong? Please tell me I am lol

Not being an ass, but you are way behind the curve: 13 September, the NYSP are slated to become "intermediaries" between NY FFL's and the NICS system administered by the FBI, at that time "dealers" in NY will no longer be able to access the NICS system by Phone or Internet, instead they will call the Branch of the NYSP tasked with the 4473 information and they will conduct the check and give a determination, likewise for ammunition except (unless Congress changed what they're allowed to do) will have to be run through the State accessed database.
The cost for a NICS/4473 will be $9.00 (hey, did anyone forget that maximum transfer fee imposed by the State for private transfers?) and $2.50 for Ammunition... I wonder if there are sales tax implications to the charge for checks?

 

[Hochulsucks1234]

Not being an ass, but you are way behind the curve: 13 September, the NYSP are slated to become "intermediaries" between NY FFL's and the NICS system administered by the FBI, at that time "dealers" in NY will no longer be able to access the NICS system by Phone or Internet, instead they will call the Branch of the NYSP tasked with the 4473 information and they will conduct the check and give a determination, likewise for ammunition except (unless Congress changed what they're allowed to do) will have to be run through the State accessed database.
The cost for a NICS/4473 will be $9.00 (hey, did anyone forget that maximum transfer fee imposed by the State for private transfers?) and $2.50 for Ammunition... I wonder if there are sales tax implications to the charge for checks?

Nope I am definately behind the curve. Thought it was ammo only...better order a couple more guns before then I guess

 

[FP1201]

Nope I am definately behind the curve. Thought it was ammo only...better order a couple more guns before then I guess

We really don't know what to expect in terms of the speed and efficiency of the process, what to do about "delays" or anything else other than the State has a habit of royally fucking things up with the "too damn bad, sucks to be you" attitude when they do... system is supposed to go live in 30 days, and so far the best we can come up with is the Dealer Training .pdf

https://troopers.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2023/01/2022-nys-dealer-training.pdf

 

[Saltwater60]

We really don't know what to expect in terms of the speed and efficiency of the process, what to do about "delays" or anything else other than the State has a habit of royally fucking things up with the "too damn bad, sucks to be you" attitude when they do... system is supposed to go live in 30 days, and so far the best we can come up with is the Dealer Training .pdf

https://troopers.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2023/01/2022-nys-dealer-training.pdf

I expect nothing good.

 

[Beerman]

These are the last of the tail end of the good ol’ days, which have mostly never been here in the first place.

 

[maverick52]

I’m wondering what ranges will do. What if you want to go to the range and buy a box of ammo? This is gonna put a lot of FFLs and ranges out of business. I have enough ammo for now but when the time comes I will make a trio over to CT and make my purchase. Heck I may even drive to Targetsports. This state sucks.

 

[CaliberPlus]

If anyone needs ammo, get it now. I cannot tell you how much it chaps my rear that the state will be collecting money for every ammo sale. It seems we will have to set up an account and pay them at the time. Great. It is just one more level of a way to screw things up.

 

[Deplorable Me]

This will only encourage people to buy larger batches of ammo. It backfires ok the 2A abolitionist.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Consolidate orders with your friends.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Go out of your way to subvert the system.

 

[Saltwater60]

This will only encourage people to buy larger batches of ammo. It backfires ok the 2A abolitionist.

Large batches of ammo might get you in trouble and the cops may show up. I’m sure many will say that will never happen, or they can’t do that but….

 

[1075tech]

I haven't bought a handgun here in SC yet, so not certain about it in SC, but in NC, if you have an NC CCW permit, you can walk in, buy a handgun, and walk out with it without a background check being required.

Yes. NC CCW let's you walk into a store and buy without a NICS. 4473 is still required but not submitted.

Private party? Agree on terms/price. Make the purchase. Go about your business.

I travel a lot to NEPA.

 

[thughes]

Private party? Agree on terms/price. Make the purchase. Go about your business.

Yep, it's similar in most of free America: guns for sale at flea markets, garage sales, classifieds, etc. People trade firearms for services, vehicles, you name it. No big deal, nobody thinks twice about it.

 

[tirwin1]

www.ammosupplywarehouse.com

 

[Acer-m14]

i'm not spending bucks on a hunting license this year ..

fuck this state ..

 

[S&W Fan]

Looks like we’ll all need to start engaging in the barter system.
Oh, and if you don’t already , ya better start investing in rolling your own. FNY

smoke em if ya got em

 

[Hochulsucks1234]

So to follow-up from my statement the other day...I have reached out to a 2nd FFL who is not aware of NY taking over NICS checks for gun purchases. The training link posted above says nothing about it either other than a 4473 has to be filled out. Has anyone here confirmed with an FFL that has been told otherwise?

Thiscis a royal cluster fuck...shocker!

 

[Cavalry]

Going back and looking at the way the NY laws about NICS are written, one has to wonder if this part of the plan even years ago. "NICS (or its successor)"
Its going to be the standard NY mess though, there are some segments of law that do not state "or successor" How would a FFL be able to be compliant if the law states that they need to do a NICS, but the only avenue is a NYSP check?

 

[Robin]

NY, shit hole state.
Robin

 

[Acer-m14]

does anyone know how this is done on a 4473 form ???

https://troopers.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2023/01/2022-nys-dealer-training.pdf

page 5


ATF Form 4473 must be completed when you:

 Sell or trade a firearm, rifle or shotgun;

 Return a consignment or pawned firearm, rifle or shotgun;

 Loan or rent a firearm, rifle or shotgun for use away from your licensed premises; or,

 Transfer or dispose of a firearm, rifle or shotgun to a non-licensed person.

 

[CaliberPlus]

So to follow-up from my statement the other day...I have reached out to a 2nd FFL who is not aware of NY taking over NICS checks for gun purchases. The training link posted above says nothing about it either other than a 4473 has to be filled out. Has anyone here confirmed with an FFL that has been told otherwise?

Thiscis a royal cluster fuck...shocker!

Yes, yes yes, it is a done deal. The dealers need to go and read the freakin laws that were passed last May. I spoke with my ATF agent yesterday, NY will be the POC. Done. If I have time I can repost the summary of the cluster NY passed, much of what affected FFL's. The crap is burdensome and we have spent a bunch of $$ to be in compliance, maybe. I still do not think I can contribute to their registry, though. And yes, the registry is part of the law.
There is supposed to be a letter sent out 8/14 frm the state as I posted earlier. This came from a NYS Trooper in Albany at the Pistol Permit Division. It is to register to do the checks. I will upudate when I get the letter. Your FFL Dealers better get to reading as inspections have started from the state.

 

[CaliberPlus]

Going back and looking at the way the NY laws about NICS are written, one has to wonder if this part of the plan even years ago. "NICS (or its successor)"
Its going to be the standard NY mess though, there are some segments of law that do not state "or successor" How would a FFL be able to be compliant if the law states that they need to do a NICS, but the only avenue is a NYSP check?

NYS will be joining ten (eleven?) other states where the state will be the Point of Contact for the background checks. I agree, the plan has been in the making for some time.

 

[Acer-m14]

so your ATF agent friend does not believe in the constitution .. specially the 2A part ..

got it ..

If I have time I can repost the summary of the cluster NY passed

your under pressure for time ..

you should have posted that 5 mins ago when you had time ..

 

[Acer-m14]

breaking news .. you can be a pot smoker and have guns ..

 

[FP1201]

so your ATF agent friend does not believe in the constitution .. specially the 2A part ..

got it ..





your under pressure for time ..

you should have posted that 5 mins ago when you had time ..

Easy sport, she's doing the best she can, and the ATF Agent isn't exactly a "Friend" only the local ATF Agent that's POC for their FFL.
Constitution and BOR are essentially meaningless to an out of control Government, and the employees tasked with enforcing Laws/Regulations.

 

[PA Guns & Ammo]

does anyone know how this is done on a 4473 form ???

https://troopers.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2023/01/2022-nys-dealer-training.pdf

page 5


ATF Form 4473 must be completed when you:

 Sell or trade a firearm, rifle or shotgun;

 Return a consignment or pawned firearm, rifle or shotgun;

 Loan or rent a firearm, rifle or shotgun for use away from your licensed premises; or,

 Transfer or dispose of a firearm, rifle or shotgun to a non-licensed person.

Simple, anytime a gun leaves your inventory, it needs to go through a 4473 or to another dealer, that is all it is saying. You want to rent or loan a gun to a customer? They need to fill out a 4473. It seems NY State really has no clue in how background checks are done. From what I read they are just repeating themselves.