Ammo background checks to begin mid-September?

[Bigfoot]

In the near future, I figure that we will be reading about people getting a denial even though they have never had a problem before when going through NICS and only NICS.

Over the years going through any NICS background checks I have never had so much as a delay much less a denial. When going through the background check I never have any concerns about it not working out. With that being said, when the NYSP gets involved in the process that will no longer be the case. Even though I have never ever had a problem with getting through background checks before... I. Don't. Won't. Trust. The. New. System.

I will not be playing their game anyways, I'll be out of NY in a couple of years at the most and I will just make do with what I have in the meantime. That's not the point, I get it, I'm just saying.

 

[Bustedknees]

So what is the penalty for giving another person ammo ? .. You are at deer camp for the week... Buddy shot through his 5 rounds and he needs a few more rounds to see him through the week.... Comes up to you and says ... Hey buddy ol pal ... can you spare a few ,,, I have that doe permit yet.... ? Will we become a felon ... ? You know this will come up.

I laugh at many of my friends when can't find ammo or buy a semi-auto rifle now. I'll help my kids because they have bigger things to do but not my beer drinking friends who only use their guns during hunting season.

 

[Saltwater60]

Hey, what happens if I decide to drive from Florida up to NY to visit friends and family and I find a good deal on ammo while I'm there.

Will the NYS background check allow me to purchase ammo without being a resident?

Yes you can buy it but you’ll need to do the background check.

 

[Saltwater60]

So what is the penalty for giving another person ammo ? .. You are at deer camp for the week... Buddy shot through his 5 rounds and he needs a few more rounds to see him through the week.... Comes up to you and says ... Hey buddy ol pal ... can you spare a few ,,, I have that doe permit yet.... ? Will we become a felon ... ? You know this will come up.

You need to be a registered seller of ammo to sell it so technically not a sale so I think you’re fine. If not it could get very complicated fast. Would you need to do a background check if you hand your buddy a gun to shoot the rounds in the magazine you bought?

 

[Saltwater60]

I laugh at many of my friends when can't find ammo or buy a semi-auto rifle now. I'll help my kids because they have bigger things to do but not my beer drinking friends who only use their guns during hunting season.

Kids don’t always know or aren’t always in a position to buy a lot of guns and ammo. I’m thinking of buying a spare 365xl to have and when my kid gets his permit in a few years give it to him then or have it on his permit. Who knew a $9.00 fee would make me buy a pistol three years in advance. Actually this one will be for me and he can have my old one since the new ones retain the rear sight when you put an optics on it.

 

[Cavalry]

Shop near me, a legit place not a one man band, is not participating in the ammo BGC bullshit. I have no clue what their thought process is on this, it seems like they have everything to lose and very little to gain.

 

[2WheelGnnr]

OH so that shop is "opting Out"....nice....but Im sure they will get some heat at some point for it....

 

[Beerman]

Guidelines

 

[CaliberPlus]

Well, well, I got the "letter" No date on the letter. It came via email from the NICS. The state could not even get their shit together well enough to mail out 30 day ahead of the change. Starts 9/13.

I am so pissed right now I better just walk away.

 

[pshift]

I asked my local FFL about the bacground check stuff this week. They all shrugged their shoulders and stated that they have no information from Albany yet about the process. My FFL is overly cautious about everything and by the way, has very iittle ammo in stock like so many others. It may be a moot point after a while if you cannot get your ammo delivered out of state or bought back when you go on vacation.

 

[CaliberPlus]

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nicsliason@fbi.gov​

The NICS Section has been asked to send out this notice from NY to the FFLs we have on file.





All New York federal firearms licenses (FFL),



On September 13, 2023, the FBI NICS E-Check service and FBI NICS call center will no longer be available for NY FFLs to initiate new firearm background checks. All FFLs are required to register with the NY State Police to begin processing firearm background checks.



Please see the attached information for instructions and contact information should you have any questions.





Eric Moore

NICS BRT





Eric Moore

NICS BRT



This came at 6:44 AM today.

I have not registered yet.

So for all the ones saying "that won't happen" here it is. Cluster.

 

[Beerman]

So for all the ones saying "that won't happen" here it is. Cluster.​

I appreciate your info. I’d say Thank You, but it seems like “No, thanks,” is more appropriate. For the regular shooters: Buckle up, stock up (lots more) NOW, and hold on tight.

 

[CaliberPlus]

I cannot tell you how many times I have had people say that this won't happen and go off on a tirade about the Safe Act. This is not 2013.


In looking at the registration, I believe this is tied in to the current NYS tax system and I have had trouble with their site. I cannot shake this awful gut feeling I have. My gut is one of the best guides I have and I always regret going against it.

 

[Beerman]

I cannot tell you how many times I have had people say that this won't happen and go off on a tirade about the Safe Act. This is not 2013.


In looking at the registration, I believe this is tied in to the current NYS tax system and I have had trouble with their site. I cannot shake this awful gut feeling I have. My gut is one of the best guides I have and I always regret going against it.

Agreed. I’ve known this was going to happen for quite a while, which is why I started this thread. Hopefully it helps people prepare for the future delays in buying ammo. Buy early, buy often!

 

[Bustedknees]

State law overrides Federal law. Another first for NY. Where the fuck is the Judicial Branch?

 

[Willyone]

It'll be fun to buy ammo, fill out the paperwork, then get put on the NYS 30 day merry-go-round.

 

[S&W Fan]

NYS “ we’re open for and support entrepreneurial businesses “ that is , as long as you jump through these.

Socialist POS’s

 

[Defilade]

Hey, what happens if I decide to drive from Florida up to NY to visit friends and family and I find a good deal on ammo while I'm there.

Will the NYS background check allow me to purchase ammo without being a resident?

You are a resident of the United States! Fuck off is the correct response. Does the State own you? Are you property of NYS? Fuck no! Do you have a contract with the State? Nope! All this shit is illegal as hell. They have no business creating Sub-laws/guidelines/mandates to the Constitution.

 

[Defilade]

Guidelines

Yeah..."guidelines"

 

[Beerman]

You are a resident of the United States! Fuck off is the correct response. Does the State own you? Are you property of NYS? Fuck no! Do you have a contract with the State? Nope! All this shit is illegal as hell. They have no business creating Sub-laws/guidelines/mandates to the Constitution.

The 10th Amendment of the United States Constitution will likely nullify your fallacious diatribe. Wink, wink, have a nice day.

 

[CaliberPlus]

Maybe I should start a new thread but I just found this on the NY site

• As of 2022, the definitions of both "rifles" and "shotguns" have been amended to include muzzle loading, flintlock, and black powder rifles and shotguns. Therefore, NYS law now requires a background check be performed prior to the transfer of the above-mentioned guns.
• Muzzle loading ammunition components are not considered ammunition.

 

[Hochulsucks1234]

Maybe I should start a new thread but I just found this on the NY site

• As of 2022, the definitions of both "rifles" and "shotguns" have been amended to include muzzle loading, flintlock, and black powder rifles and shotguns. Therefore, NYS law now requires a background check be performed prior to the transfer of the above-mentioned guns.
• Muzzle loading ammunition components are not considered ammunition.

Those of us that reload sit back and say "ahh I reload, this doesn't affect me". Until it does. They will eventually reclassify ammo to include individual components just like Massachussets has. I see sites that say they won't ship brass or bullets to MA.

 

[REF]

But , but, but, the Supreme Court will save us!!?!?? Bruen said……………..!!!!!

 

[Robin]

Maybe I should start a new thread but I just found this on the NY site

• As of 2022, the definitions of both "rifles" and "shotguns" have been amended to include muzzle loading, flintlock, and black powder rifles and shotguns. Therefore, NYS law now requires a background check be performed prior to the transfer of the above-mentioned guns.
• Muzzle loading ammunition components are not considered ammunition.

Fuck them, I'm Done! Your hear that asshole monitoring this site, I'm done and will live as a free American! Fuck you!

Robin

 

[CaliberPlus]

Fuck them, I'm Done! Your hear that asshole monitoring this site, I'm done and will live as a free American! Fuck you!

Robin

Today I feel the same way. I have had to stop looking at the crap on the site. I found two or three other items, my blood pressure needs to come down. I honestly have no answers.

 

[Defilade]

The 10th Amendment of the United States Constitution will likely nullify your fallacious diatribe. Wink, wink, have a nice day.

Nope!

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[Acer-m14]

Maybe I should start a new thread but I just found this on the NY site

• As of 2022, the definitions of both "rifles" and "shotguns" have been amended to include muzzle loading, flintlock, and black powder rifles and shotguns. Therefore, NYS law now requires a background check be performed prior to the transfer of the above-mentioned guns.
• Muzzle loading ammunition components are not considered ammunition.

SHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! no background checks

 

[Acer-m14]

you gotta watch this .. omg she is awesome ripping on NYS

New York is a point of contact state starting September 13rd - expect HUCE NICS delays and ammo tracking.

watch for it in the letter .. www . not https .. non secure site LMAO .

 

[Acer-m14]

The Firing Pin, LLC​

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In a huge surprise to absolutely no one, we will be waiting a little while to see if the State will even answer our FOIL request.
Your thoughts on this?

"Based on the foregoing, an agency must grant access to records, deny access in writing, or acknowledge the receipt of a request within five business days of receipt of a request. When an acknowledgement is given, it must include an approximate date within twenty business days indicating when it can be anticipated that a request will be granted or denied. However, if it is known that circumstances prevent the agency from granting access within twenty business days, or if the agency cannot grant access by the approximate date given and needs more than twenty business days to grant access, it must provide a written explanation of its inability to do so and a specific date by which it will grant access. That date must be reasonable in consideration of the circumstances of the request."

Explanation of Time Limits for Response

opengovernment.ny.gov

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Sorry to shit in everyone's Wheaties.

I'm probably going to pickup a private sale glock this weekend.

I also hear there is a local Facebook group similar to Craigslist, but for guns. I don't use FB, but guy I know will tell me what's for sale.

Get out of NY.