Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
For a gun or a bullet?
Ammo background checks to begin mid-September?
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Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Ok so its just a different Sticker now ... nothing more or less ..
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
A gun, a replica of the first revolver Colt converted to cartridges using a 1860 Army cap and ball, and probably the last gun this old man will ever buy. The shop owner says after thirty days he has to resubmit, and if after three days if there is no answer he can complete the purchase and give me the gun that I have already paid for a month ago. This is all done through the state, his access to the federal NICS is blocked by the state and he has to use the state system.
It is not right right but what can a man do. I was going to call my district Rep., but it seems there has been some sort of turmoil unknown to me and she has resigned. Probably wouldn't have helped but at least I had someone to represent me.
If I were a younger man and not so embedded here, I would move, no question, even though I truly love where I live.
Robin
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
That’s crazy. I’m surprised they are allowed to proceed after the resubmissions and only three days. That’s been a question or grey area in the past. I hope you get it and it’s crazy about the delay. I’m assuming you have no clue why and have you bought a gun since the NYSP took over the background checks?
Vinson57
.475 A&M Magnum
The ammo background system should deny ammo for pistol caliber ammo when you do not have a license or that caliber registered. This would end the straw purchasers. Owners of pistol caliber rifles can just register them with the state to clear the problem.
Ammo should be denied to any person who address is also coincides with the address of a known felon.
Ammo should be denied to anyone who signs up for medical marijuana.
Denials should be looked at for arrest when its proven they are prohibited but too stupid to know or thought they would get away with it.
Ammo denials also should be used to initiate search warrants as it implies ownership of an illegal weapon.
Ammo denial appeals should have a requirement to disclose the weapon type and serial number the ammo was required for.
Otherwise get rid of this bullshit system. Not doing stuff like I listed means its just to fuck with the law abiding. Also doing these things will help when court cases reach the Supreme Court and they need examples of pure tyranny.
So are they doing this in secret?
Ammo should be denied to any person who address is also coincides with the address of a known felon.
Ammo should be denied to anyone who signs up for medical marijuana.
Denials should be looked at for arrest when its proven they are prohibited but too stupid to know or thought they would get away with it.
Ammo denials also should be used to initiate search warrants as it implies ownership of an illegal weapon.
Ammo denial appeals should have a requirement to disclose the weapon type and serial number the ammo was required for.
Otherwise get rid of this bullshit system. Not doing stuff like I listed means its just to fuck with the law abiding. Also doing these things will help when court cases reach the Supreme Court and they need examples of pure tyranny.
So are they doing this in secret?
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
The only "clue" I have come up with is that I am a member here, though I have always believed they monitor this sight, Doc confirmed that they not only monitor the site, but can find out who you are.
First gun since the unlawful takeover of the system.
Robin
The gun store I frequent does the same. They just told me an ex LEO with a CCL was “under review “ for 30 days, resubmitted, “under review” for another 3 days so they let him complete the transaction. They tell me that it satisfies “the state”.
CaliberPlus
.45 acp
Really?? How many rifles shoot "pistol caliber"? There should be NO, NONE, NOTTA any checks on ammo. Yah, register pistol caliber rifles, another registry, are you for real??? That is what this is all about, a database, aka registry.
Many years ago I went to purchase 9mm for hubs. I was at a big box and was denied because I did not have a "license". Another illegal registry in this damned state. I think we are immune to the registry for handguns and now we have this bs.
For a lot of reasons I won't go into, I have not closed, yet. Closing out things, though. I have a repeat customer that has always passed, now has gone:
Pending
Delayed
Under Review where it currently sits.
I tried calling, if I talk to a human they cannot give me any info. I could swear like a sailor right now. This is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. And we get to pay for the shit.
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Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Well, one half hour after my last post at 9:42 I got a call from the gun shop to pick up my pistol. 30 days, and what was gained by anyone in this travesty to our constitution, I'll answer, nothing. Just another way for the state to fuck with the honest law abiding citizen who chooses to partake in our second amendment God given rights.
Robin
Robin
Vinson57
.475 A&M Magnum
We went from three men in a room government to three cunts in a room. They are outlawing being male and more.
They will counter all Supreme Court decisions with any new law needed to invalidate
If the BCS was determined to be unconstitutional, they just move to require a license to purchase ammo. They can make it law that you can one buy ammo for registered weapons of any type.
The only thing left to end the madness is - All State Gun Laws unconstitutional as 2A proceeds 10A and removes them from the umbrella of states rights. The get nixed in every state - all bans, BCS, permits gone in every state. The people running this shit are fired and records destroyed. I'm tired of rights vary state by state and hearing move to a free state.
In the mean time, the BCS needs to be applied in a Gestapo methodology to extract giant lists of suspected straw buyers and locations of illegal weapons. The data geeks know what to do along with the feds who can compromise all data systems also know what needs to be done.
Goodman Street address in Rochester, a SBF (only person with no record) goes to buy 1000 rounds of 9mm versus Country boy pistol permit holder with back yard shooting range. I used Goodman Street as in the news today with a double homicide. They get a search warrant to see the 9mm ammo at the high crime area. This all looks racist so the only fix here is to deny pistol ammo to non-permit holders and problem gone.
We all heard of gun buy backs but has anyone though of ammo buy backs? Lets get the drug addicted to turn in all the ammo for money. Drain the areas of ammo once we do something to scare off the straw buyers. The geeks running the BCS, they got to justify their existence are probable to have ideas of what's next. Unleash these little leftists and let them create some real unconstitutional harm that will be good to use against them later on.
Ammo is also destined to be the barter commodity when cash is ended for simple transactions. Study CBDC if you are not aware.
Lets say the BCS geeks have taken a pile of databases and from them, they hashed these to give you a credit score, sort of a threat level kind of thing and its all secret but they are using it to spit out denials and best of all, a subjective 30 day delay. They are doing anything they want. There should of been a dashboard website where we see all metrics of the system.
They will counter all Supreme Court decisions with any new law needed to invalidate
If the BCS was determined to be unconstitutional, they just move to require a license to purchase ammo. They can make it law that you can one buy ammo for registered weapons of any type.
The only thing left to end the madness is - All State Gun Laws unconstitutional as 2A proceeds 10A and removes them from the umbrella of states rights. The get nixed in every state - all bans, BCS, permits gone in every state. The people running this shit are fired and records destroyed. I'm tired of rights vary state by state and hearing move to a free state.
In the mean time, the BCS needs to be applied in a Gestapo methodology to extract giant lists of suspected straw buyers and locations of illegal weapons. The data geeks know what to do along with the feds who can compromise all data systems also know what needs to be done.
Goodman Street address in Rochester, a SBF (only person with no record) goes to buy 1000 rounds of 9mm versus Country boy pistol permit holder with back yard shooting range. I used Goodman Street as in the news today with a double homicide. They get a search warrant to see the 9mm ammo at the high crime area. This all looks racist so the only fix here is to deny pistol ammo to non-permit holders and problem gone.
We all heard of gun buy backs but has anyone though of ammo buy backs? Lets get the drug addicted to turn in all the ammo for money. Drain the areas of ammo once we do something to scare off the straw buyers. The geeks running the BCS, they got to justify their existence are probable to have ideas of what's next. Unleash these little leftists and let them create some real unconstitutional harm that will be good to use against them later on.
Ammo is also destined to be the barter commodity when cash is ended for simple transactions. Study CBDC if you are not aware.
Lets say the BCS geeks have taken a pile of databases and from them, they hashed these to give you a credit score, sort of a threat level kind of thing and its all secret but they are using it to spit out denials and best of all, a subjective 30 day delay. They are doing anything they want. There should of been a dashboard website where we see all metrics of the system.
ManualF150
.308 Win
Go call Tyler Technologies and ask them what the malfunction was... after all, they are the geeks that are providing all this support.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I'm not calling anyfuckingbody! I already know the source of this shit, past shit, and shit to come, and it's not some nerd turd outfit, probably owned by an assemblyman or state senator, sucking my tax dollars into oblivion.
Fuck this shit hole!
Robin
Fuck this shit hole!
Robin
Uninformed and Compliant
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Next time, just write "ILLEGAL FROM VENEZUELA" on the form and submit it as-is.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
LOL, I went to a gun show in Quartzite, Just a little shit show with over priced everything. One guy was selling nothing but ammo. He was a very busy guy. Bought a brick (500 rounds) of 22call for 30 bucks, and 20 rounds of 45-7 for 40 bucks. In and out in 15 minutes, Paid cash, no one even asked for my name.
aaaahhhh, FREEEEEDOOOOOMMMMM
aaaahhhh, FREEEEEDOOOOOMMMMM
same here (UPIN) except I only bought one since 9/13 and that took a couple days; at that point it wasn't a big deal because it was at Caliber Plus and I was in and out of there every other day. (took two business days to be approved)
Where this really sucks is Gun Shows where both Dealers and Patrons often travel from hours away...someone from Courtland isn't going to be happy about traveling three hours up to Watertown to pick up their gun because the system is fucked up.
Willyone
6.5 Creedmoor
No secret... "Inconvenience" by design. Done to discourage folks from buying firearms and ammo, fucking with people just because they can. Many or most retired peeps have the time to deal with the NYS shit. But folks that are still have full time jobs, TAX PAYERS, who help fund the shitbags who make the rules for the game, can have a tough time finding the time to play the game.
or taking the time to vote for candidates reflecting their values.
Yea, yea, yea I know: "vote harder"...well the truth is a LOT of elections are decided a very small percentage, sometimes less than ten votes change everything, and while voting the Party Line is pretty simple minded, you have to resign yourself to the fact that Democrats invariably vote along the party line irrespective the candidate or their qualifications; voting Republican/Conservative across the same race cancels those (D) votes.
We're on the Soap Box, the Jury Box is working here and there, the Ballot Box is coming fast, God help us all if we get into the cartridge box.
Willyone
6.5 Creedmoor
Good points. When you don't vote you get what you deserve, one more up the ass here in NYS. Some people don't bother to vote because they assume nothing will change whether they vote or not. Admittedly I have been guilty of that in the past. Now I always make it a point to vote local and state, realizing my vote is likely just symbolizing, more of a protest vote than anything else. But if everyone, or more folks did a "protest" vote, it might actually = a win now and then.
Be like a Democrat.... cum election time, vote early & vote often
I cannot stand when people say “ I’m not voting , it won’t change a thing here in NY.” And although , most of the time this is the case in this particular super majority fucking cesspool, I often wonder what is the actual number of the people who don’t vote because of this mentality, who are like - minded, and if it would make some difference in certain elections no matter how small and incidental they may be? Anyways, my take is …. If you you don’t vote , I do not want to listen to you bitch.Good points. When you don't vote you get what you deserve, one more up the ass here in NYS. Some people don't bother to vote because they assume nothing will change whether they vote or not. Admittedly I have been guilty of that in the past. Now I always make it a point to vote local and state, realizing my vote is likely just symbolizing, more of a protest vote than anything else. But if everyone, or more folks did a "protest" vote, it might actually = a win now and then.
Be like a Democrat.... cum election time, vote early & vote often
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
i just hope i can still vote from the grave like all the democrats do ..
Bigfoot
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Republicans might have a chance to win if they would only learn how to harvest fraudulent votes just like the Democrats do.
Democrats laugh at fair elections.
But I always vote anyway, I figure at least make those bastards work for it.
Democrats laugh at fair elections.
But I always vote anyway, I figure at least make those bastards work for it.
jimc
.223 Rem
"Republicans might have a chance to win if they would only learn how to harvest fraudulent votes just like the Democrats do.
Democrats laugh at fair elections.
But I always vote anyway, I figure at least make those bastards work for it."
When I got my Citizenship merit badge in Boy Scouts, my Scoutmaster said, "If you don't vote, you don't have the right to bitch." I truly believe this statement.
Democrats laugh at fair elections.
But I always vote anyway, I figure at least make those bastards work for it."
When I got my Citizenship merit badge in Boy Scouts, my Scoutmaster said, "If you don't vote, you don't have the right to bitch." I truly believe this statement.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I'm going to vote! As a newly-reregistered Democrat, I'm going to vote in the Democrat primary in June. I want to support the communist leftist over the incumbent communist leftist alarm-pulling squad-adjacent antisemite.
Then... I'll vote against all of the leftist communists in the general election.
thisIslandEarth
.44 mag
Status Report:
Location: NY - Inside enemy lines. 20 mi. Outside hood. Runnings Store.
Operation: Buy Ammo.
Reason: Assessment.
I have not purchased a single round of ammo in NY since September 13, 2023. But today, someone at the gun club asked me "Well, I know the NY background check is a cluster-fuck setup as another deterrent to keep law abiding citizens from purchasing ammo, but in fact haven't those NY fuckers just won another battle? This is EXACTLY what they wanted! Do you think they give a shit that your gave them the finger and said , F' them - I'll buy my ammo in ---- fill in blank ---- ?"
I thought about this for awhile - and even though the guy was shooting a fuckin Glock he still made a good point.
Aren't we really just caving in and letting them win another battle as they move towards winning the war? I'm really conflicted here...
I bought some ammo today. The paperwork sucked but went fast and besides they already have all the same info from my pistol permit application. The store clerk entered my info into the NY system and my status went from PENDING - to - DELAYED in <5 seconds! ( WTF did it even check???. I told them I did NOT push my mother-in-law off that dock in Halifax - she slipped ). I was delayed for 1 HOUR and 57 minutes.
What's worse is the abuse the poor store clerks take from people in the store waiting for approvals and literally yelling at them - "What do you mean I'm delayed - f-off!!" or "What do you mean I need a background check" ( FUD alert ). One asshole was hurling f-bombs at the poor clerk.
Anyways, finally got my ammo. I was pretty pissed off for all the shit. Not sure I felt any better for buying today. Just felt maybe it was worth a fight...
Location: NY - Inside enemy lines. 20 mi. Outside hood. Runnings Store.
Operation: Buy Ammo.
Reason: Assessment.
I have not purchased a single round of ammo in NY since September 13, 2023. But today, someone at the gun club asked me "Well, I know the NY background check is a cluster-fuck setup as another deterrent to keep law abiding citizens from purchasing ammo, but in fact haven't those NY fuckers just won another battle? This is EXACTLY what they wanted! Do you think they give a shit that your gave them the finger and said , F' them - I'll buy my ammo in ---- fill in blank ---- ?"
I thought about this for awhile - and even though the guy was shooting a fuckin Glock he still made a good point.
Aren't we really just caving in and letting them win another battle as they move towards winning the war? I'm really conflicted here...
I bought some ammo today. The paperwork sucked but went fast and besides they already have all the same info from my pistol permit application. The store clerk entered my info into the NY system and my status went from PENDING - to - DELAYED in <5 seconds! ( WTF did it even check???. I told them I did NOT push my mother-in-law off that dock in Halifax - she slipped ). I was delayed for 1 HOUR and 57 minutes.
What's worse is the abuse the poor store clerks take from people in the store waiting for approvals and literally yelling at them - "What do you mean I'm delayed - f-off!!" or "What do you mean I need a background check" ( FUD alert ). One asshole was hurling f-bombs at the poor clerk.
Anyways, finally got my ammo. I was pretty pissed off for all the shit. Not sure I felt any better for buying today. Just felt maybe it was worth a fight...
Bigfoot
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Complying with unconstitutional laws isn't the correct answer.
Doing so is a slippery slope.
The covid fiasco is a good example of a slippery slope.
Doing so is a slippery slope.
The covid fiasco is a good example of a slippery slope.
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Hochulsucks1234
.44 mag
I still haven't bought ammo and probably won't. But I have also seen the abuse the store clerks take. My Runnings has signs about people being courteous or they will be refused service. Kind of sad it comes down to that. I see stores just doing away with the sale of ammo in the future. To them it is not worth the hassle or the time involved in selling a box of shells and then having to deal with rude customers on top of that. I believe that is the ultimate goal of the state...discourage places from even selling it. It is working.
thisIslandEarth
.44 mag
I understand what you're saying but didn't you already comply to own a pistol? I'm just making a point of no push back just advances their agenda.
Vinson57
.475 A&M Magnum
If I go to buy some pistol ammo, say some 40 S&W, I don't have, they should reject that.
In the same light there should be complete rejection by for everyone who does not has a handgun license for handgun calibers. Reject fools with pistol calibers rifles and carbines to teach them how to live. They can apply for special access permits by having LE inspect they really own one.
All the known addresses of every prohibited person should also be a rejection. Your son is a felon and lives in the basement eating hot pockets and playing video games, no ammo for anyone in that house.
9mm, delay that automatically for 30 days for all intercity addresses. Most of these idiots wont catch on for a while. We have to end the baby mommas how get told to go buy ammo.
Make any suspected "rights" violation a technical glitch situation to keep everyone gaslit.
Any failed transaction and non-appeal should place the person in a permanent prohibited status and linked to also ending firearms purchases.
The geeks running the system needs coaches on how cool they are catching criminals with bonuses given to them for thinking of creative ways to increase capability.
We don't need a system that does not do much and just sits there to scare away a few criminals.
The system needs to kick out some leads and there needs to be some search warrants. Straw buyers need to feel some pain.
This milk toast approach lets these little marxists exist under the radar.
If you're going to do it, do it right and let it start chewing up every person and their shady life. We need to see some action.
We need some real news on how great the system is so all can know.
I don't expect anyone to like this but the system either goes full gestapo or eliminated completely.
In the same light there should be complete rejection by for everyone who does not has a handgun license for handgun calibers. Reject fools with pistol calibers rifles and carbines to teach them how to live. They can apply for special access permits by having LE inspect they really own one.
All the known addresses of every prohibited person should also be a rejection. Your son is a felon and lives in the basement eating hot pockets and playing video games, no ammo for anyone in that house.
9mm, delay that automatically for 30 days for all intercity addresses. Most of these idiots wont catch on for a while. We have to end the baby mommas how get told to go buy ammo.
Make any suspected "rights" violation a technical glitch situation to keep everyone gaslit.
Any failed transaction and non-appeal should place the person in a permanent prohibited status and linked to also ending firearms purchases.
The geeks running the system needs coaches on how cool they are catching criminals with bonuses given to them for thinking of creative ways to increase capability.
We don't need a system that does not do much and just sits there to scare away a few criminals.
The system needs to kick out some leads and there needs to be some search warrants. Straw buyers need to feel some pain.
This milk toast approach lets these little marxists exist under the radar.
If you're going to do it, do it right and let it start chewing up every person and their shady life. We need to see some action.
We need some real news on how great the system is so all can know.
I don't expect anyone to like this but the system either goes full gestapo or eliminated completely.
Bigfoot
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I don't own a handgun, I don't have a PP. I don't want a PP as long as I'm in NYS. When FAUC signed the NY UNSAFE Act into law in January of 2013 it made it so that one's long guns would be confiscated along with any handguns if a PP permit was revoked. And as we know, here in NY a county judge can revoke a PP on a whim, for any reason.
That's a risk-reward game that I was/am not willing to play. In a year or two when I get out of this tyrannical shithole, I'll get a couple of handguns that I have been wanting for a long time. Until then, I will not play their game. I will not play along with any of their games.
I'm a believer that registration leads to confiscation, particularly in a state like NY. Just wait until Jumbo James becomes the Governor of NY. She will probably ban semi-autos and I just as soon be as much of a gray man as I can at that point.
I may or may not need ammo. If I do need some ammo I will use the other legal options available before I play along with the leftists tyranny. I still get what I want but they do not. That's a win-win as far as I'm concerned.
My closing argument would be this. It's been clearly shown by now that complying with bullshit just begets more bullshit... Prove me wrong.
Mask Denier Pure Blood Master Race Over and Out... If you all catch my drift...
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