Ammo background checks to begin mid-September?

[Bigfoot]

In the late 1970s when my brothers and I were just kids we would buy ammo at the hardware store no questions asked.

If someone told me 10 years ago that someone would have to go through a sketchy BGC to buy ammo I wouldn't have believed them. Even in a state like New York.

And there my friends is an example of a slippery slope. Compliance with this sort of BS just makes the slope slipperier and slipperier. The history of gun people control proves that I am not wrong in this instance.

 

[dean3690]

Very mixed feelings on this. It was with trepidation that I got my PP because they can revoke and confiscate long guns. I have background check purchased ammo in NYS, but only for my pistol calibers, I stocked up on the rest pre NY BGC and I am likely to purchase all other ammo other than for my pistols from out of state.

 

[Defilade]

Anyone attempt to buy ammo say 1000 plus rounds with this BGC? Get rejected completely or just delayed?

 

[Jmac00]

Status Report:
Location: NY - Inside enemy lines. 20 mi. Outside hood. Runnings Store.
Operation: Buy Ammo.
Reason: Assessment.

I have not purchased a single round of ammo in NY since September 13, 2023. But today, someone at the gun club asked me "Well, I know the NY background check is a cluster-fuck setup as another deterrent to keep law abiding citizens from purchasing ammo, but in fact haven't those NY fuckers just won another battle? This is EXACTLY what they wanted! Do you think they give a shit that your gave them the finger and said , F' them - I'll buy my ammo in ---- fill in blank ---- ?"
I thought about this for awhile - and even though the guy was shooting a fuckin Glock he still made a good point.
Aren't we really just caving in and letting them win another battle as they move towards winning the war? I'm really conflicted here...

I bought some ammo today. The paperwork sucked but went fast and besides they already have all the same info from my pistol permit application. The store clerk entered my info into the NY system and my status went from PENDING - to - DELAYED in <5 seconds! ( WTF did it even check???. I told them I did NOT push my mother-in-law off that dock in Halifax - she slipped ). I was delayed for 1 HOUR and 57 minutes.
What's worse is the abuse the poor store clerks take from people in the store waiting for approvals and literally yelling at them - "What do you mean I'm delayed - f-off!!" or "What do you mean I need a background check" ( FUD alert ). One asshole was hurling f-bombs at the poor clerk.

Anyways, finally got my ammo. I was pretty pissed off for all the shit. Not sure I felt any better for buying today. Just felt maybe it was worth a fight...

if you're going to stay in New Yorkistan, then you're going to have to put up with the bullshit.
I keep hearing "stay and fight", How's THAT working out for you?
If you're going to stay there, then YOU ARE going to have to come up with the work-arounds, ie: buy out of state. But where can you go. Massachusetts and Connecticut have the same rules. Vermont? IDK? New Hampshire and Maine are to far for most? Pennsylvania is your only viable option.

With AG James now going after everyone and anyone, NY will be bankrupt by 2030. James wants to make a name for herself, and she is, she just doesn't understand it will destroy her political ambitions and the state

 

[thisIslandEarth]

if you're going to stay in New Yorkistan, then you're going to have to put up with the bullshit.
I keep hearing "stay and fight", How's THAT working out for you?
If you're going to stay there, then YOU ARE going to have to come up with the work-arounds, ie: buy out of state. But where can you go. Massachusetts and Connecticut have the same rules. Vermont? IDK? New Hampshire and Maine are to far for most? Pennsylvania is your only viable option.

With AG James now going after everyone and anyone, NY will be bankrupt by 2030. James wants to make a name for herself, and she is, she just doesn't understand it will destroy her political ambitions and the state

Yeah. Everyone is making good points. I understand. Unfortunately, not all of us are in a position to exit NY at this time. I'm afraid the 2A war is lost in NY as we've lost every battle. There is no hope in reality. The NRA threw us under the bus. I'm a member of GOA and SAF but fed up with their constant ask for money. I know it won't happen, but I've always wished NY would separate into NY and West NY. I know NYC would never give up the tax revenue they get from the rest of NY state. Look at the voting results in the state. That liberal shit-hole NYC area dictates for the entire state.

I didn't feel good about buying ammo here the other day so I'm pretty confident I won't be exploring that again. The way this country is headed it's obvious we've been swirling the drain for awhile ...

 

[pjzwtl]

Personally I am not going to give them additional tax $ to purchase something they don’t want me to have. They want the $ don’t kid yourself. They just assume most will just accept it.

 

[Saltwater60]

Anyone attempt to buy ammo say 1000 plus rounds with this BGC? Get rejected completely or just delayed?

You forgot red flagged and raided as an option

 

[John Stark]

That liberal shit-hole NYC area dictates for the entire state.

Its not just NYC, although it certainly has a very disproportional influence on the rest of the New-Yorkitsan land mass.

Demscum mostly win statewide elections in "upstate" Rockland and Westchester counties lock stock and barrel, but we could credibly include them in the NYC area given their proximity to, and dependence on, the Rotten Apple grift.

However, what if we look at the rest of the state? Buffalo, Rottenchester, Syracuse, Albany, Ithaca, Cortland, and Binghamton all vote Demscum. I can't at the moment remember how Utica/Rome have voted for some reason, and don't feel like looking it up, and I don't think it matters.

The Demshevik party controls the VAST majority of the large population areas that give them near-complete control of state government, and a very large and overbearing share of the power even in smaller population areas, which neuters even modest or slight attempts to change the political calculus and atmosphere of this noxious tyranny we put up with as NY serfs. The rest of the people in NY simply do not matter in any significant way in terms of the politics and terrible laws and mandates that we suffer under.

Having worked across a broad swath of NY for 30+ years, I watched even smaller cities that once reliably voted R that have capitulated and embraced the suck, and have turned into shitholes while anyone with half a brain got out of this state.

The population base in the large and even many smaller cities all vote Demscum. The rural areas are superfluous. Population density controls elections, not land mass. Maps showing NY as a big large red area with good sized chunks of blue here and there are utterly deceptive. The days of strictly blaming NYC for the rotten political and immoral mandates of our political masters are well behind us.

NY is gone, and its never coming back in our lifetimes, or the lifetimes of our children, grandchildren, great grandchildren and beyond.

NYers have flirted with and embraced Tyranny for well over a century, having either sold their souls to the criminal political machine fascism or looked the other way hoping it might change "somehow;" or that the machine might at least ignore them while they try to hold on and live their own lives.

NY is a carcass being fed upon by jackals.

 

[Bruce_Sloane]

I used to purchase ammo at Western Auto when I was 13
Mom sat in the car.

 

[FP1201]

As far as "Pistol Ammunition" goes, it's Federal Law for Dealers to ASK what the Ammunition is going in: there is no requirement to demonstrate either the gun nor a Handgun Licenses. Employees are trained to ask for a Pistol Permit, but the reality is none need be produced, only that in the case of a person under the age of 21 must be asked if it's going into a Rifle or Handgun. Simple answer of "Rifle" is all that's needed, unless you're shopping someplace like WM with a minimum wage clerk that doesn't give a fuck about anything but doing what his Dollar an hour more supervisor told him to do when he came over from the Toy dept.
With all the changes and NYS doing its own thing above Federal Gun Laws, there MIGHT be new requirements, or color of law edicts...right now I have no desire to nauseate myself with a re-read.

 

[Bruce_Sloane]

I have a Marlin Camp 9 Riflw ...

 

[Willyone]

If you have a 9, 38, 380, 40, or whatever on your permit, the state (and fed) knows what's on your permit, so what's the point, the reason for going thru a BG check to buy ammo for one or all of your pistols. It's harassment, intentional, plain & simple, put upon us by NYS. And CHochul and her ilk call Donald Trump Hitler and say if he's elected it's the end of Democracy... do tell, bitch.

There's no reason to buy ammo in NYS if you have transportation to get to a free/er state, and have the time to make the trip. That, and there's principle to consider.

 

[FP1201]

If you have a 9, 38, 380, 40, or whatever on your permit, the state (and fed) knows what's on your permit, so what's the point, the reason for going thru a BG check to buy ammo for one or all of your pistols. It's harassment, intentional, plain & simple, put upon us by NYS. And CHochul and her ilk call Donald Trump Hitler and say if he's elected it's the end of Democracy... do tell, bitch.

There's no reason to buy ammo in NYS if you have transportation to get to a free/er state, and have the time to make the trip. That, and there's principle to consider.

Well if it's the end of "Democracy" then so be it, there are MANY eager to get on with it.

 

[thughes]

As far as "Pistol Ammunition" goes, it's Federal Law for Dealers to ASK what the Ammunition is going in

Hmmm....never in my life have I been asked "what is this going in?" when purchasing ammo, guess I just must be an exception?

 

[FP1201]

Hmmm....never in my life have I been asked "what is this going in?" when purchasing ammo, guess I just must be an exception?

For persons under 21, and if you clearly look over that age it's not likely you'll be asked...remember when you could walk into a store and not be carded to buy Beer?

 

[Zerex]

I just picked up a receiver and some ammo from a LGS, who did the State NICS check.........about 5 minutes...........

A MAIN CORE LIST check, was obviously not part of the process.

 

[Willyone]

For persons under 21, and if you clearly look over that age it's not likely you'll be asked...remember when you could walk into a store and not be carded to buy Beer?

I vape. Vape off me off the ciggies, haven't had a cig for 12-13 years now, yay for me!! Anyways... the place where I buy vape, the girl behind the counter always asks for my ID, needs to verify that I'm old enough to buy vape, so I hand her my driver license. Been going there since I quit cigs, the girl knows/recognizes me. I'm 73 fucking years old and they still need to verify I'm of legal age to buy vape

 

[thughes]

For persons under 21, and if you clearly look over that age it's not likely you'll be asked...remember when you could walk into a store and not be carded to buy Beer?

I haven't been carded in a couple of decades either.......must be my mature good looks?

 

[Bruce_Sloane]

If you have a 9, 38, 380, 40, or whatever on your permit, the state (and fed) knows what's on your permit, so what's the point, the reason for going thru a BG check to buy ammo for one or all of your pistols. It's harassment, intentional, plain & simple, put upon us by NYS. And CHochul and her ilk call Donald Trump Hitler and say if he's elected it's the end of Democracy... do tell, bitch.

There's no reason to buy ammo in NYS if you have transportation to get to a free/er state, and have the time to make the trip. That, and there's principle to consider.

Just another way to drive gun dealers out of biz

 

[Bruce_Sloane]

I haven't been carded in a couple of decades either.......must be my mature good looks?

It's the hairline I surmise.

 

[FP1201]

I vape. Vape off me off the ciggies, haven't had a cig for 12-13 years now, yay for me!! Anyways... the place where I buy vape, the girl behind the counter always asks for my ID, needs to verify that I'm old enough to buy vape, so I hand her my driver license. Been going there since I quit cigs, the girl knows/recognizes me. I'm 73 fucking years old and they still need to verify I'm of legal age to buy vape

The Point of Sale System some retailers use won't allow the purchase to proceed without scanning the bar code on a Client ID irrespective of how old you look...Clerks can't do shit if their register goes out or they have to calculate anything on their own.

 

[Saltwater60]

The Point of Sale System some retailers use won't allow the purchase to proceed without scanning the bar code on a Client ID irrespective of how old you look...Clerks can't do shit if their register goes out or they have to calculate anything on their own.

I hate the ID scanning crap. I don’t drink and I do t smoke so I don’t need my ID scanned ever and I’m glad. Anyone owning guns and buying legal weed having their ID scanned is foolish and they will lose their guns at some point. The government will ask for this and cross reference it against pistol permits and ammo background checks and ban you’re getting raided.

 

[FP1201]

I hate the ID scanning crap. I don’t drink and I do t smoke so I don’t need my ID scanned ever and I’m glad. Anyone owning guns and buying legal weed having their ID scanned is foolish and they will lose their guns at some point. The government will ask for this and cross reference it against pistol permits and ammo background checks and ban you’re getting raided.

The State IS building a Data base with every check, and you can damn well be someone will be accessing it with impunity.

 

[Far king]

If you have a 9, 38, 380, 40, or whatever on your permit, the state (and fed) knows what's on your permit, so what's the point, the reason for going thru a BG check to buy ammo for one or all of your pistols. It's harassment, intentional, plain & simple, put upon us by NYS. And CHochul and her ilk call Donald Trump Hitler and say if he's elected it's the end of Democracy... do tell, bitch.

There's no reason to buy ammo in NYS if you have transportation to get to a free/er state, and have the time to make the trip. That, and there's principle to consider.

Don’t know any serious shooter who buys ammo in this police state.
Everyone l talk to either has stockpiled it already or takes a road trip.

FUCH

 

[JunkBoxFull]

I vape. Vape off me off the ciggies, haven't had a cig for 12-13 years now, yay for me!! Anyways... the place where I buy vape, the girl behind the counter always asks for my ID, needs to verify that I'm old enough to buy vape, so I hand her my driver license. Been going there since I quit cigs, the girl knows/recognizes me. I'm 73 fucking years old and they still need to verify I'm of legal age to buy vape

There is a reason, i believe.
One day soon, you won`t be able to buy health insurance, because they will know you`ve been buying unhealthy things. You`ll be CANCELED!

DATA BASE
DATA BASE
DATA BASE
DATA BASE

We know EVERYTHING you do, EVERYWHERE you go, EVERYTHING you buy!

 

[JunkBoxFull]

Don’t know any serious shooter who buys ammo in this police state.
Everyone l talk to either has stockpiled it already or takes a road trip.

FUCH

My wife an i no longer buy ammo.
I`ve finally got my wife convinced into getting out of NY state as soon as she retires. Less than 2yrs, we`ll be out of this phuck hole state.

 

[ManualF150]

I don't buy premade ammo in NY anymore. I just go down to PA or another free state and get it there.

This whole ammo BGC doesn't make any sense. It's a waste of taxpayer money and a waste of resources.

Hasn't stopped anything, in fact, I think the amount of sales tax NYS lost from this stupidity has been insane.

It's like NYS shot themselves in their foot and not even realized it.

 

[spat]

I don't buy premade ammo in NY anymore. I just go down to PA or another free state and get it there.

This whole ammo BGC doesn't make any sense. It's a waste of taxpayer money and a waste of resources.

Hasn't stopped anything, in fact, I think the amount of sales tax NYS lost from this stupidity has been insane.

It's like NYS shot themselves in their foot and not even realized it.

It's doing exactly what it was intended to do.

Everyone is buying their ammo out of state. It will drive gun shops out of business.

Big general purpose retailers like walmart will just stop carrying guns and ammo in NY because nobody buys it.

This will raise the barrier for anyone new getting into the hobby, so there will be fewer people in the next generation who even care.

That's it, that's It's purpose, and it is working perfectly.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

It's doing exactly what it was intended to do.

Everyone is buying their ammo out of state. It will drive gun shops out of business.

Big general purpose retailers like walmart will just stop carrying guns and ammo in NY because nobody buys it.

This will raise the barrier for anyone new getting into the hobby, so there will be fewer people in the next generation who even care.

That's it, that's It's purpose, and it is working perfectly.

NAILED it ^^^^^

 

[Saltwater60]

So what’s the legal definition of engaged in the business of. There’s a discussion on another firearms board going on saying since it says commercial sale and engaged in the business of selling ammo you need to be a business selling ammo and we could still sell it to each other.
The legal definition of a commercial sale is just about any sale that takes place but engaged in the business of isn’t so clear and many definitions exist. I looked at penal law 265 subsection 24 and it simply says engaged in the business of. This could be taken as anyone selling it is engaged in the business of or you need to be an actual business selling it.
Looking at the forms they ask for a tax ID number but you can’t legally sell anything without collecting tax so there is that and it says every individual needs to register as a seller of ammo. The FAQs don’t address individuals selling to other individuals.
Thoughts? I know we all took it as we can sell between each other and have stopped doing it since there’s been no ammo for sale posts on here.