Ammo background checks to begin mid-September?

[ManualF150]

So what’s the legal definition of engaged in the business of. There’s a discussion on another firearms board going on saying since it says commercial sale and engaged in the business of selling ammo you need to be a business selling ammo and we could still sell it to each other.
The legal definition of a commercial sale is just about any sale that takes place but engaged in the business of isn’t so clear and many definitions exist. I looked at penal law 265 subsection 24 and it simply says engaged in the business of. This could be taken as anyone selling it is engaged in the business of or you need to be an actual business selling it.
Looking at the forms they ask for a tax ID number but you can’t legally sell anything without collecting tax so there is that and it says every individual needs to register as a seller of ammo. The FAQs don’t address individuals selling to other individuals.
Thoughts? I know we all took it as we can sell between each other and have stopped doing it since there’s been no ammo for sale posts on here.

Look at eBay. Used to be able to buy/sell/auction to one another and not have to pay tax. Just one giant yard sale. Only thing you had to pay was eBay seller fees and shipping (unless local pickup).

Used to use ebay all the time because of that.

I don't get how a person buying a used Gibson guitar from a private (non-business) seller should be charged tax, when I could just go to them directly, and do a Venmo or Paypal, or good old cash and buy it without paying sales tax.

I sold some wheels with tires on eBay last year, and I charged $1,200 local pickup only on eBay. The seller bought them and forgot about taxes which drove up the price to a little over $100 extra. I told them I'll refund them and they can pay cash when they arrive. That is exactly what I did and it worked great. Not only did I save sellers fees, but I also saved the buyer sales tax. Fuck this state and fuck eBay.

 

[GTN]

Well here is an update I just ran into. I’m in Kentucky and went to Bud’s Guns. Ammo I wanted was behind the counter. I had my hands on 4 boxes until I mentioned I was from NY. They took them away. It’s their company policy not to sell to states that have background checks.
So once again my mouth bit me in the ass again.
Good thing there is another Bud’s in Tennessee I’ll be driving past.

My lesson here to everyone is keep your mouth shut and don’t make small talk

 

[thisIslandEarth]

Well here is an update I just ran into. I’m in Kentucky and went to Bud’s Guns. Ammo I wanted was behind the counter. I had my hands on 4 boxes until I mentioned I was from NY. They took them away. It’s their company policy not to sell to states that have background checks.
So once again my mouth bit me in the ass again.
Good thing there is another Bud’s in Tennessee I’ll be driving past.

My lesson here to everyone is keep your mouth shut and don’t make small talk

That REALLY sucks. We have background checks to buy firearms and Bud's has no problem shipping guns to NY but they won't sell ammo to someone who unfortunately lives in this shit hole??!
Fuck Buds.

 

[Willyone]

That REALLY sucks. We have background checks to by firearms and Bud's has no problem shipping guns to NY but they won't sell ammo to someone who unfortunately lives in this shit hole??!
Fuck Buds.

That really does suck. Other out of NY state gun stores seem to have no problem selling ammo on site to NY'rs. Makes me wonder, how did NYS, Hochul get to Bud's?? And too, if Bud's won't sell ammo on site to a NY'er, why do they sell guns to NYers? Makes no sense to me.

I bought a pistol from Bud's several months ago and no problem... shipped to my FFL and that was that. What sucks more, Bud's has a pretty good deal going on a 9MM S&W I've been eyeballing. But, out of principle, now I don't know if I want to deal with them.

 

[FP1201]

There is a reason, i believe.
One day soon, you won`t be able to buy health insurance, because they will know you`ve been buying unhealthy things. You`ll be CANCELED!

DATA BASE
DATA BASE
DATA BASE
DATA BASE

We know EVERYTHING you do, EVERYWHERE you go, EVERYTHING you buy!

Well when you keep fucking telling them, and carrying around that sophisticated tracking device you just can't live or function without....well, they're going to know until we put a stop to it, one that those in control have become very accustom to having at their disposal "for your safety". (those three words should scare the shit out of all of us)

 

[Far king]

It's doing exactly what it was intended to do.

Everyone is buying their ammo out of state. It will drive gun shops out of business.

Big general purpose retailers like walmart will just stop carrying guns and ammo in NY because nobody buys it.

This will raise the barrier for anyone new getting into the hobby, so there will be fewer people in the next generation who even care.

That's it, that's It's purpose, and it is working perfectly.

I don’t think the state’s original intent was to force people to buy ammo out of state as much as it was to put the screws to us and slow down the free flow of ammo.
We are being hit with a two dollar and fifty cent charge for every check, that in itself is an insult.
l can’t blame anyone who chooses not to play whorecul’s deceitful game and go out of state to buy their ammo even if it hurts the retailer at home ( ammo isn’t their sole business and we still have to buy our firearms here).
I can’t blame anyone who refuses to stay and fight the tyranny and moves to free America either.
I’ve lived in many places, here and abroad and this is the worst as far as freedom and liberty. I may be a fool but I hold out hope that the bill of rights will prevail and put an end to this bullshit.
Till then I’ll try to keep my head up and keep working and paying my taxes.

 

[Saltwater60]

Well here is an update I just ran into. I’m in Kentucky and went to Bud’s Guns. Ammo I wanted was behind the counter. I had my hands on 4 boxes until I mentioned I was from NY. They took them away. It’s their company policy not to sell to states that have background checks.
So once again my mouth bit me in the ass again.
Good thing there is another Bud’s in Tennessee I’ll be driving past.

My lesson here to everyone is keep your mouth shut and don’t make small talk

Dude I told in Texas laughed and said why live there and I won’t even visit there.

 

[Acer-m14]

FK BUDS!!!! and ALL there Stores then ..

 

[Acer-m14]

PS!!!!

when anyone asks where you are from ...


MY MOMMY!!!!

duh!!!!

 

[GTN]

Please just remember they didn’t ask where I live. I told them

 

[Saltwater60]

Please just remember they didn’t ask where I live. I told them

It’s still a bit of a joke and no law saying they can’t sell it to you. I could even see if you were buying 30 round mags that you might take those back and modify an AR like the tops shooter did and bring on a lawsuit but this is a bit much for me.

 

[Beerman]

I was at a shoplast year and heard a customer tell the shop owner that they had recently been at Bud’s while on vacation. Started talking to the employee at Bud’s, and “Where you from?” came up. When the customer said, “Northern part of New York State,” they stopped talking to him and asked him to leave. He thought it was a joke. It was not. They walked him to the door.

 

[GTN]

@Beerman
Wow! At least they didn’t do that. We still looked around. Wife bought a Yeti cup

 

[Willyone]

I was at a shoplast year and heard a customer tell the shop owner that they had recently been at Bud’s while on vacation. Started talking to the employee at Bud’s, and “Where you from?” came up. When the customer said, “Northern part of New York State,” they stopped talking to him and asked him to leave. He thought it was a joke. It was not. They walked him to the door.

I take this as a wake up call. Whatever Hochul and her commie cohorts did to discourage Bud's from selling to NYers, they will try, or could do to other out of state gun shops. Or it might be that the Bud's ownership are libtards? But if that was the case it doesn't seem like they'd be in the guns & ammo business. It's weird. I'd like to know the back story on this anti NYS BS, or fear of NYS.

 

[Zerex]

NYS Agents/Investigators as part of the NYS gun violence task force are out in droves across the country attempting to buy guns and ammo........................

FUCKING BELIEVE IT.

THAT is why gunstores will not deal FTF, with anyone from NYS.

Are strawman purchases of ammo in another state illegal? Buying ammo that way, private sale may not be illegal yet..until the Politburo passes a................ NO FUCKING AMMO............ AT ALL........... NO HUNTING LICENSE..NO AMMO AT ALL...YOU CANNOT USE AMMO IN THE HOME TO DEFEAT HOME INVADERS/CONFISCATORS.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

NYS Agents/Investigators as part of the NYS gun violence task force are out in droves across the country attempting to buy guns and ammo........................

FUCKING BELIEVE IT.

THAT is why gunstores will not deal FTF, with anyone from NYS.

Are strawman purchases of ammo in another state illegal? Buying ammo that way, private sale may not be illegal yet..until the Politburo passes a................ NO FUCKING AMMO............ AT ALL........... NO HUNTING LICENSE..NO AMMO AT ALL...YOU CANNOT USE AMMO IN THE HOME TO DEFEAT HOME INVADERS/CONFISCATORS.

re: "NYS gun violence task force are out in droves across the country attempting to buy guns and ammo........................"

Where`s the proof???
Until you can show any of us the proof, i call BS on your statement. NYS doesn`t have the man power to do what you`re saying.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

I was at a shoplast year and heard a customer tell the shop owner that they had recently been at Bud’s while on vacation. Started talking to the employee at Bud’s, and “Where you from?” came up. When the customer said, “Northern part of New York State,” they stopped talking to him and asked him to leave. He thought it was a joke. It was not. They walked him to the door.

This is why i keep saying to people, that the gun culture is it`s own worst enemy. We continue to keep sh!tting on each other.

 

[Zerex]

HOLY HOLY HOLY SHIT!!

Governor Hochul Announces New Interstate Task Force on Illegal Guns, Including Partnership With Mayor Adams and NYPD, Will Convene This Week

Governor Hochul announced that the first meeting of the new Interstate Task Force on Illegal Guns, including a partnership with Mayor Eric Adams and the NYPD, will take place on Wednesday.

www.governor.ny.gov

For years NYC agents did this..went to NC and purchased guns.


Gun violence task forces identified places of concern.......

I guess Primary Arms and Buds did not get a talking to from ATF/NYS agents?

ATF works in States and with State GVTF agents to inform gunshops not to sell to NYS..............and agents ARE out there trying to make illegal sales with ATFJFCTF agents.

ID of ammo purchasers is ongoing in most atates now....... because of lawyers advising shops not to sell to NYS or other lib out of state citizens.

Until the law changes.. I advise you not to flaunt NYS laws...AND LOCK UP THE GUNS YOU ARE NOT WEARING.

Being "right", in jail.....is just being "right in jail".


Imagine that you are correct, ...............and there are no gun laws.............whatsoever.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

This shit WILL CONTINUE and only get worse until (and only IF) SCOTUS takes it up and knocks it down.

 

[Deplorable Me]

I was at a shoplast year and heard a customer tell the shop owner that they had recently been at Bud’s while on vacation. Started talking to the employee at Bud’s, and “Where you from?” came up. When the customer said, “Northern part of New York State,” they stopped talking to him and asked him to leave. He thought it was a joke. It was not. They walked him to the door.

Great reason to have a PA permit. Screw the truth when the government has been lying to screw us for years. Put your brains in survival mode.

 

[S&W Fan]

I take this as a wake up call. Whatever Hochul and her commie cohorts did to discourage Bud's from selling to NYers, they will try, or could do to other out of state gun shops. Or it might be that the Bud's ownership are libtards? But if that was the case it doesn't seem like they'd be in the guns & ammo business. It's weird. I'd like to know the back story on this anti NYS BS, or fear of NYS.

Bud’s have been playing stupid games with NY’ers for years. Fuck them . I deleted Bud’s from my book marked firearm sights a few years ago. I wouldn’t spend a dime that I found on the ground in Any of their stores. There are plenty of other places that will take my money , even knowing that I’m from NY. I drive down to the south east coast of NC for 10 - 14 days every year.

 

[Robin]

Back in the sixties the father of a friend of mine, who was a NYS supreme court judge, gave us a grim warning that this kind of shit was coming. I still cannot believe it has come to pass. Well, I can believe it, just having trouble living with it. What Bill of Rights!
Domine exaudi preces nostras

Robin










Robin

 

[thughes]

I was at a shoplast year and heard a customer tell the shop owner that they had recently been at Bud’s while on vacation. Started talking to the employee at Bud’s, and “Where you from?” came up. When the customer said, “Northern part of New York State,” they stopped talking to him and asked him to leave. He thought it was a joke. It was not. They walked him to the door.

I call complete and utter bullshit, he was not asked to leave or escorted to the door. That guy was full of shit.

 

[Bustedknees]

Please just remember they didn’t ask where I live. I told them

it's still total bullshit on their end. You and them were doing nothing illegal at all! At least Target Sports is doing everything they can to make a dollar and help shooters that live in this rotten state.

 

[thughes]

I take this as a wake up call. Whatever Hochul and her commie cohorts did to discourage Bud's from selling to NYers, they will try, or could do to other out of state gun shops. Or it might be that the Bud's ownership are libtards? But if that was the case it doesn't seem like they'd be in the guns & ammo business. It's weird. I'd like to know the back story on this anti NYS BS, or fear of NYS.

Apparently it's corporate policy, mandated by a cuck legal department afraid of litigation from NY, CA, IL, etc. Corporate office mandates that all retail stores follow all applicable laws for the resident state of the customer.

TIP: They do NOT specifically ask where you are from when purchasing anything in their stores (excepting firearms, obviously). The lesson here is to keep your mouth shut and don't volunteer that information. You'll find the same policy at Bass Pro Shops, Aim Surplus, Palmetto State Arms, and every other large retailer of guns and ammo. (The other lesson is to avoid big boxes and buy from the little guy.)

 

[Beerman]

I call complete and utter bullshit, he was not asked to leave or escorted to the door. That guy was full of shit.

Possibly. He didn’t seem to be trying to impress anyone. Just telling a story. People believe all kinds of things. I heard a story. You can call me a liar if you want and I’ll not have a shit to give.

 

[Saltwater60]

it's still total bullshit on their end. You and them were doing nothing illegal at all! At least Target Sports is doing everything they can to make a dollar and help shooters that live in this rotten state.

I heard they are setting up a shop in Scranton pa that you can order on line and have it delivered there for a pick up. I love this idea and just told my wife about it. She said we’ve been planning g a pa trip so why not? My son chimed in and said buy a back up furnace while you’re there.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

HOLY HOLY HOLY SHIT!!

Governor Hochul Announces New Interstate Task Force on Illegal Guns, Including Partnership With Mayor Adams and NYPD, Will Convene This Week

Governor Hochul announced that the first meeting of the new Interstate Task Force on Illegal Guns, including a partnership with Mayor Eric Adams and the NYPD, will take place on Wednesday.

www.governor.ny.gov

For years NYC agents did this..went to NC and purchased guns.


Gun violence task forces identified places of concern.......

I guess Primary Arms and Buds did not get a talking to from ATF/NYS agents?

ATF works in States and with State GVTF agents to inform gunshops not to sell to NYS..............and agents ARE out there trying to make illegal sales with ATFJFCTF agents.

ID of ammo purchasers is ongoing in most atates now....... because of lawyers advising shops not to sell to NYS or other lib out of state citizens.

Until the law changes.. I advise you not to flaunt NYS laws...AND LOCK UP THE GUNS YOU ARE NOT WEARING.

Being "right", in jail.....is just being "right in jail".


Imagine that you are correct, ...............and there are no gun laws.............whatsoever.

Do point out to me, IN THE ARTICLE, where it said anything about ammunition... i`ll wait.

 

[STS556]

FK BUDS!!!! and ALL there Stores then ..

A few years ago I was looking for a non threaded AR barrel. Buds had one so I placed the order for it and shortly after, I got an email that they cancelled the order. I called and talked to someone and they said they are not shipping any gun parts to NY that could be used on an AR. Since then they have been blacklisted by me. Buds, Cheaper Than Dirt and Midway have got to be the most anti gun online gun stores out there if that makes sense.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

This shit WILL CONTINUE and only get worse until (and only IF) SCOTUS takes it up and knocks it down.

I get what you`re saying, but how has all this been working out for us in NY. Especially right after the most recent NY v Bruen. The problem with the SCOTUS, is that they leave the door cracked open just enough for all these criminal thugs so that they can keep right on going with passing unconstitutional BS (death by a thousand cuts). The SCOTUS can`t do anything to these tyrant SOB`s who are passing all these sh!t laws, and these GD thugs know it. The SCOTUS interprets the law, it doesn`t enforce the law. The SCOTUS would have to get congress to do something to stop this sh!t, and with this administration running this country, its never going to happen. This is why we keep getting screwed. Every 2 steps forward for us, they trample 22 steps right back at us. And they force new taxes down our throats to continue the terror against the people. Starting to sound familiar to past history yet?