WP_Plinker
.40 S&W
You mean like how suddenly the right were scrambling to buy Teslas, and Trump himself was showing them off on the White House lawn?
Also, plenty of leftists, like myself, support our right to bear arms.
Another ICE shooting in MN.
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Also, plenty of leftists, like myself, support our right to bear arms.
WP_Plinker
.40 S&W
One of the videos I linked at the start of this thread show what lead to the confrontation
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
The simon says shooting....Only cost the city 8million. The poor officer claimed ptsd. What a joke. Anyway back to the present day arguing haha
The officer was weak and fragile. Should NOT have been on the job.
I do not agree to the payout either.
subsonic
.44 mag
There is more and more video coming out. Pretti clearly gets between an agent and the woman then shoves the agent before getting pepper sprayed and grabbing at the woman before being tackled and resisting against the scrum on the ground. Footage is making accidental discharge of the recover Sig look more clear.
And this one afterward shows agents searching Pretti for the gun after he has already been shot not realizing the other agent has it.
It was 100% justified shoot in a chaotic situation where a gun recovered from Pretti fired and he was still fighting on the ground in a position where a reasonable cop could conclude he was shooting. We don’t require cops to wait until they perceive a muzzle aimed at their or their colleagues’s body. That is often much too late when you have a fraction of a second to react.
And this one afterward shows agents searching Pretti for the gun after he has already been shot not realizing the other agent has it.
It was 100% justified shoot in a chaotic situation where a gun recovered from Pretti fired and he was still fighting on the ground in a position where a reasonable cop could conclude he was shooting. We don’t require cops to wait until they perceive a muzzle aimed at their or their colleagues’s body. That is often much too late when you have a fraction of a second to react.
Key details regarding carry laws in Minneapolis, MN:
Permit Requirement: You must have a valid permit and a government-issued photo ID on your person to legally carry a firearm in public.
Penalties: Carrying without a permit can result in a misdemeanor (up to 90 days in jail, $1,000 fine) or a gross misdemeanor (up to one year in jail, $3,000 fine).
Dismissal Provision: Minnesota law states that a citation for not having a permit on your person must be dismissed if the person demonstrates in court or to the police that they were authorized to carry at the time of the violation.
spat
.950 JDJ
Don't fall for the trap.
He wasn't killed because he was carrying.
He wasn't killed as punishment for anything.
Whether or not he "deserved" to die is irrelevant. Even if he was the biggest scumbag to ever visit epstein island and he really *did* deserve to die, that's not why ICE shot him, and they wouldn't have been justified in doing so if they did.
He got shot for one and only one reason. He made the ICE agents fear for their life.
We can debate whether that was a reasonable fear, but quite frankly we don't have enough information to do that intelligently at this point.
But that is the only fact that's relevant. Whether he was a saint or a scumbag, a genius or a moron, or a useful idiot just doesn't matter.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Its amazing how many people start blaming him for carrying, and blindly support ICE without questioning. Just because most of these protesters are politically opposed to most of us doesnt mean we should blindly support ICEs behavior in dealing with them.
With the massive hiring push, they are putting a lot of under trained ice officers on the street who will be more likely to panic in situations like this.
With the massive hiring push, they are putting a lot of under trained ice officers on the street who will be more likely to panic in situations like this.
You are probably correct. But after weeks of being harassed, threatened and physically assaulted do you really think even the veteran ICE agents are going to be calm, cool and collected? They are refused service when they go to stores. They are hounded at night by protesters when trying to sleep. There are social media posts where people openly talk about shooting them. They are going to be anxious and tense on the job and quicker than normal to pull the trigger.
I don't like it but I know which group is responsible for this situation.
The term "useful idiot" gets used on this forum a lot...
ICE agents have complete freedom to take up more honorable work, if the (seemingly few) good apples find the on-the-job conditions disagreeable. It is laughable that you cite harassment and assault as the reasons for ICE agents feeling tense and anxious, since that is the exact behavior ICE is infamous for (add homicide now).
Bigfoot
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Illegal criminal aliens need to be apprehended and deported. Period.
If a bunch of leftist retards want to stand in the way of that happening. I hope it hurts.
Because of the Biden administration's open border policy, America has been invaded by millions of unvetted foreigners. I'm fine with any process that will get those fucking fraudulent taxpayer money stealing fucks out of our country.
If a bunch of leftist retards want to stand in the way of that happening. I hope it hurts.
Because of the Biden administration's open border policy, America has been invaded by millions of unvetted foreigners. I'm fine with any process that will get those fucking fraudulent taxpayer money stealing fucks out of our country.
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You have a very warped view of the situation. If there were only a few good apples there would be plenty of bodies in the streets. ICE has shown remarkable restraint in my opinion.
ICE conducts operations all over the country. Why did the leftist groups decide Minneapolis was the place to take a stand? It's because that is one of the strong points for immigrant fraud and corruption. Curious how the news of multi million somali corruption is no longer dominating the new, isn't it? The democrats desperately needed something to take the focus off their corruption. So they called out their shock troops funded by their third party allies. If you think these "protests" are just local citizens banding together to fight the mean 'ol ICE agents you are more naive than I thought.
spat
.950 JDJ
I hear that "untrained officers" line all the time, but it doesn't really seem relevant to these shootings.
The guy that shot Renee Goode had been a federal agent since the Obama administration. If he wasn't trained or shouldn't have been hired, you can't blame Trump.
spat
.950 JDJ
What work would you suggest is more honorable than the work that ICE is doing ?
If you don't like immigration law, then lobby to fix it, or sue to overturn it. Demanding that they just stop enforcing it is a ridiculous position.
Next you claim ICE is infamous for harassment and assault. Since when ? And where did that come from ?
stokes
.338 Win Mag
Unless you are a brainwashed libtardian
Bigfoot
.577 Tyrannosaur.
There's the difference of opinion thing. And the honest debate thing. They're both good things. IMO
But sometimes things get so retarded there's the sit down and shut up thing.
But sometimes things get so retarded there's the sit down and shut up thing.
Bingo! The utter, complete hypocrisy of Dims on display.
Never believe any thing a Dim politician says!
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I get that, and maybe it doesnt in this situation, but this leads to a culture of inexperience, and potentially untrained behaviors that can escalate situations rather than de escalating.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Its a bad situation all around, and I think its being handled poorly on both sides.
We have lefty politicians saying people can use stand your ground laws against ICE, and you have heavy handled, masked agents running around on defcon 1. Its a recipe for bad things to happen.
spat
.950 JDJ
Trump has been in office less than a year. How many of the newly hired officers have even finished training and been deployed to the field ?
Are there *any* of the newly hired officers in Minneapolis ?
If you were running ICE, even if you did have a huge new batch of officers to use, are *those* the guys you're going to send to Minneapolis ? Or do you send thise guys to FL and TX and let them get experience there ?
Everyone knows what a shit show Minneapolis is, you're going to send your most experienced and level headed officers there and certainly not the new guys.
Additionally, a new ICE officer doesn't necessarily mean inexperienced. Many of the newly hired officers probably have previous law enforcement experience. Could be many were NYPD for a decade and decided to GTFO before Mamdani turns that shit show up to 11. I doubt a majority of the new hires are really new to LE.
stokes
.338 Win Mag
The only ingredient in that recipe is would be protesters deliberately interfering with police officers performing their duties. This could be rectified if the local LE did their job and kept the protesters from breaking the law.
We are fighting communism, kill them all.
We are trying to remove people who should not be here to begin with.
If President Trump fails getting this ship turned around we all will be fighting in the streets and not like with ha ha ho ho, more like bang bang your dead mofo.
We are trying to remove people who should not be here to begin with.
If President Trump fails getting this ship turned around we all will be fighting in the streets and not like with ha ha ho ho, more like bang bang your dead mofo.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Im looking at this very objectively. Too many people are blindly support ICE as if they are infallible. If the left was in power, and they sent out agents of the govt to quell protests from the right, and they started using heavy handed tactics would you push back or accept it?
stokes
.338 Win Mag
I'm looking at this with reality. Its been quite often that the left was in power. Can you give me one example of any right wing protests that turmed into riots or mass incidents of the right interfering with LEO's?
VCU anti-ICE nurse fired after referencing paralytic drug in video instructing 'sabotage' of ICE agents
VCU nurse allegedly posted TikTok videos instructing viewers to use paralytics and poison ivy against ICE agents, prompting a police investigation and administrative leave.
www.foxnews.com
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Same here, it hasnt. But whats to say it wont. I want our domestic enemies to have the same rights we do, because if they are taken from them, they will be from us.
And just to be clear, i dont support interfering with LE operations, violent rioting, etc...
I dont support jack booted thugs, or bullies with badges, but I fully support the honest, oath keeping LEOs that put their lives on the line to keep people safe.
I do support peoples right to peacefully protest, i support their right to be armed in public for lawful purposes.
I support the idea of defending yourself and country from tyrants. This is where things can turn murky, because what some people consider tyranny may not actually be tyranny. There is no doubt thar many if not all of these protests are funded and organized by leftist groups. And the leftist media is fanning the flames because it sells, and fits their agenda.
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They do have them now, do the "protesters" stand in the way of fire fighters (not counting crazy)? As soon as they step over the law they need to be arrested, for any infraction. They have every right to stand out of the way and fart all they like. The fed gov is in charge of any and all areas it is legally working.
Start arresting people when the violate laws will stop people from breaking laws. "No one is above the law" .
stokes
.338 Win Mag
Ok, show me where any of these agitators had their rights violated. Nobody is taking anybody's rights here. simple fact is they are violating the law this guy violated the law from the beginning by carrying illegally to go and interfere with LE.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Really, is that what youre looking to do here? I could dig around online and find cases where US citizens have had their rights violated by ICE agents just to prove a point, but thats not my intention here. I dont like the paid protestors/rioters any more than you or any other rational person, but Im also not going to blindly support any agency of the govt.