Anyone else worried about the 2020 POTUS election?

[Chevusa]

You can unfix a fixed mag in no time with the right tools. No need for a separate non fixed lower. Of course I would never tell anyone to do that. You always want to comply with the law. Even if you are being overtaken by an angry mob.

 

[drowhawk]

Voting for an open borders, defund law enforcement, anti gun candidate to the left of Bill Weld is making a statement. You are better writing in the name of someone else.

I actually support open borders and ending wasteful spending on imprisoning millions of Americans for victimless crime. Believe it or not, a lot of "illegal" immigrants are pro-liberty and pro-capitalism. The Republican party is missing out on a seriously large demographic that for the most part, is in line with the values of the Republican party. I think we should welcome these people into our country with open arms. Give them citizenship, a tax ID, and forbid them from collecting social services until they've been here working & paying taxes for at least ten years. The left would enact a voter ID law so fast if Republicans stood with immigrants. We need to use the Democrat's own ammunition against them. Stop alienating the aliens.

As for the gun thing, I have been a Libertarian since I was old enough to understand politics and the party has always stood for responsible firearms ownership. I wasn't aware Jo Jorgensen went against this narrative.

 

[Chevusa]

I actually support open borders and ending wasteful spending on imprisoning millions of Americans for victimless crime. Believe it or not, a lot of "illegal" immigrants are pro-liberty and pro-capitalism. The Republican party is missing out on a seriously large demographic that for the most part, is in line with the values of the Republican party. I think we should welcome these people into our country with open arms. Give them citizenship, a tax ID, and forbid them from collecting social services until they've been here working & paying taxes for at least ten years. The left would enact a voter ID law so fast if Republicans stood with immigrants. We need to use the Democrat's own ammunition against them. Stop alienating the aliens.

As for the gun thing, I have been a Libertarian since I was old enough to understand politics and the party has always stood for responsible firearms ownership. I wasn't aware Jo Jorgensen went against this narrative.

Except that is not what they want or what they would do. They would just let people pour right in no questions asked. You have no idea who these people are or where they came from. National security nightmare. Nobody is saying good people who have been screened properly cannot come here. That is the difference.

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

It wouldn’t meet the semi automatic qualification if it wasn’t attached to an upper - therefore legal.

I have seen AR pistol lowers with mags already pinned in place. Those might need to be that way because they don’t have a stock or some other reason.

Nope.

I’ve been wanting a lower for the past 3 months, everyone told me it has to be pinned but reading the law I knew that wasn’t the case.

 

[drowhawk]

Except that is not what they want or what they would do. They would just let people pour right in no questions asked. You have no idea who these people are or where they came from. National security nightmare. Nobody is saying good people who have been screened properly cannot come here. That is the difference.

Have you ever lived in an area with a very high population of immigrants? Particularly Latin ones? I ask because I worked landscaping for 12 years in Atlanta and my company would recruit illegals every morning for pennies compared to what American workers wanted. They were the hardest working, most honest guys I've ever met. They were more American than any of my American friends. They were pro-gun, pro-liberty, and valued all the same things I did. I think you are buying into the "illegals are violent criminals" narrative the mainstream media pushes just a little too much. Maybe someone else who has spent a lot of time around illegals can chime in too.

My point is that it is ALREADY a national security nightmare because of the war on drugs and the fact that our government has literally created a market that coyotes are capitalizing on. End the war on drugs, open up the borders and watch this country prosper. It is the American way.

 

[Steal2B]

I actually support open borders and ending wasteful spending on imprisoning millions of Americans for victimless crime. Believe it or not, a lot of "illegal" immigrants are pro-liberty and pro-capitalism. The Republican party is missing out on a seriously large demographic that for the most part, is in line with the values of the Republican party. I think we should welcome these people into our country with open arms. Give them citizenship, a tax ID, and forbid them from collecting social services until they've been here working & paying taxes for at least ten years. The left would enact a voter ID law so fast if Republicans stood with immigrants. We need to use the Democrat's own ammunition against them. Stop alienating the aliens.

As for the gun thing, I have been a Libertarian since I was old enough to understand politics and the party has always stood for responsible firearms ownership. I wasn't aware Jo Jorgensen went against this narrative.

Her personal narrative on open borders is more progressive than your stance.

She did adapt to her party's platform to abolish the ATF, but she has some ties to MDA, previously said she was not for concealed carry, and even this election cycle has provided a lukewarm statement of not wishing to add "additional" gun control. When I heard her talk about guns years ago, the 2A pretty much only applies within the walls of your home. If you haven't noticed, she tries to not discuss or state positions on 2A but stcks to limited talking points.

 

[Chevusa]

Have you ever lived in an area with a very high population of immigrants? Particularly Latin ones? I ask because I worked landscaping for 12 years in Atlanta and my company would recruit illegals every morning for pennies compared to what American workers wanted. They were the hardest working, most honest guys I've ever met. They were more American than any of my American friends. They were pro-gun, pro-liberty, and valued all the same things I did. I think you are buying into the "illegals are violent criminals" narrative the mainstream media pushes just a little too much. Maybe someone else who has spent a lot of time around illegals can chime in too.

My point is that it is ALREADY a national security nightmare because of the war on drugs and the fact that our government has literally created a market that coyotes are capitalizing on. End the war on drugs, open up the borders and watch this country prosper. It is the American way.

I lived in Houston. There were illegals all over. I had to pay for extra insurance because they would all drive around without licenses or insurance on their cars. By being here illegally they have already committed a criminal act. Come in the right way or don’t come at all. A bank robber who says please and thank you is still a criminal. A nation without boarders is not a nation at all. We can’t support the world who would flock here for free handouts and social programs. It needs to be a vetted and controlled entry system. Go to another country and try it. The way we treat illegals will look like child’s play after that.

 

[spat]

Have you ever lived in an area with a very high population of immigrants? Particularly Latin ones? I ask because I worked landscaping for 12 years in Atlanta and my company would recruit illegals every morning for pennies compared to what American workers wanted. They were the hardest working, most honest guys I've ever met. They were more American than any of my American friends. They were pro-gun, pro-liberty, and valued all the same things I did. I think you are buying into the "illegals are violent criminals" narrative the mainstream media pushes just a little too much. Maybe someone else who has spent a lot of time around illegals can chime in too.

My point is that it is ALREADY a national security nightmare because of the war on drugs and the fact that our government has literally created a market that coyotes are capitalizing on. End the war on drugs, open up the borders and watch this country prosper. It is the American way.

You are correct about the vast majority of Mexican immigrants.

But there is a massive gulf between legal and illegal.

Even if the majority of illegal immigrants are good hard working people, the fact that they are illegal means we have no way to separate the landscapers from the gangbangers.

The solution isn't "open borders". It is to streamline the legal process and crack down on the illegal one.

I am perfectly happy with a significant increase in legal immigration, if it can be accompanied by a drop in illegal immigration.

This is one of the points I diverge from the Libertarian party on.

Being small "L" libertarian means you want everyone to be allowed to do anything that doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights. It doesn't mean anyone should be allowed to crash on your couch for as long as they want.

 

[drowhawk]

Her personal narrative on open borders is more progressive than your stance.

She did adapt to her party's platform to abolish the ATF, but she has some ties to MDA, previously said she was not for concealed carry, and even this election cycle has provided a lukewarm statement of not wishing to add "additional" gun control. When I heard her talk about guns years ago, the 2A pretty much only applies within the walls of your home. If you haven't noticed, she tries to not discuss or state positions on 2A but stcks to limited talking points.

I haven't seen any of this. Then again, guns are such a hot topic right now, she could be trying to get votes from the left too. Hence her very indeterminate stance on firearms. Either way, I don't think she is anti-2A.

I lived in Houston. There were illegals all over. I had to pay for extra insurance because they would all drive around without licenses or insurance on their cars. By being here illegally they have already committed a criminal act. Come in the right way or don’t come at all. A bank robber who says please and thank you is still a criminal. A nation without boarders is not a nation at all. We can’t support the world who would flock here for free handouts and social programs. It needs to be a vetted and controlled entry system. Go to another country and try it. The way we treat illegals will look like child’s play after that.

I think the critical difference in the nature of those crimes is that bank robbers have a victim. Illegal immigrants usually don't victimize anyone by coming here. In fact, quite the opposite. Most immigrants become victimized during the process of coming here and again once they are here. I agree it's unfair you should have to pay more for car insurance but if we gave them a path to legally own a car, that wouldn't be a problem. I've never met an immigrant who came here for "handouts and social programs." They come here because our country is the greatest and most prosperous and they want to work.

You are correct about the vast majority of Mexican immigrants.

But there is a massive gulf between legal and illegal.

Even if the majority of illegal immigrants are good hard working people, the fact that they are illegal means we have no way to separate the landscapers from the gangbangers.

The solution isn't "open borders". It is to streamline the legal process and crack down on the illegal one.

I am perfectly happy with a significant increase in legal immigration, if it can be accompanied by a drop in illegal immigration.

This is one of the points I diverge from the Libertarian party on.

Being small "L" libertarian means you want everyone to be allowed to do anything that doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights. It doesn't mean anyone should be allowed to crash on your couch for as long as they want.

I agree 100%.

 

[tony]

Just a tid-bit of advice for those really WORRIED...

Do not worry over things you have no control over. Worry is a terrible waste of energy and makes you less effective at your duties.

At this time I would say it prudent to evaluate your position and do the best you can to prepare. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

Good luck.

 

[Chevusa]

Just a tid-bit of advice for those really WORRIED...

Do not worry over things you have no control over. Worry is a terrible waste of energy and makes you less effective at your duties.

At this time I would say it prudent to evaluate your position and do the best you can to prepare. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

Good luck.

I’m going to scream at the sky

 

[tony]

I’m going to scream at the sky

Tell me when, I'll go outside and listen...

 

[tony]

Wait a minute, I have to put my hearing aids in...

 

[Cooolone]

I am picking up some of what you are putting down. Just some of it though.

There is a huge difference in regards to the future of the Country when run by The GOP or the Libtards.

There has been many positive and many negative things that occur depending on who/what is elected.

Social issues, taxes, morals and the such.

Barring the contemporary race identity agenda, Kung-flu and the lot ... I do agree that there are ideological differences between the two, but that's about it! They are both "INEFFECTUAL" and accomplish nothing of real value!

There's some undercurrents that continually get pushed aside. As a whole! The immigration, taxation and others are attachments to the whole picture, but not main drivers! Forget the Race card too.

I'm not a Bernie guy, or associate with any of those socialists, but there's an issue, a very big one with the wealth being generated and it's propensity to accumulate with those who already have it. Again, in my opinion, the talk of Education... God! Since the NY Lotto came out, was supposed to be a boon for education in NY... What happened to that? My school taxes keep going up like nuts!

We all know businesses are exiting the State along with Residents at an unprecedented rate. And more...

I believe truly that everyone wants to be a part of the program. Lead a productive and rewarding existence, enjoying the sunny side of the street. But how do we get there when the issues are always glossed over?

A rising tide raises "all" boats, or well it should, unless something is anchoring them down, they don't float! Don't get me wrong, I'm doing ok, not complaining. But as a whole, it can be so much better than it is!

We can examine Corporate Exec's and their compensation as a comparative to the average worker salary in the same company. And again, I'm all for the other guy making it big, as it leaves room for me to do the same! God Bless!

But income, real wages, disposable income need to be front and center!

In the 50's, a single earner (man) was able to work a Blue Collar job, support a wife and 3(+) kids, have a new car every 5+ years, house with White picket fence, and save for his kids college while also going on vacation! Not lavish to today's standards, think Dude-Ranch, lol.

That progressively eroded away. Today, two decent incomes are required to just "rent" space! Savings for a home? Lol... You mean wait for the inheritance to use that way!

Not all fall into this cycle, but it's the overwhelming majority, by far! And THAT needs to be fixed!

But the election, any election, without a major paradigm shift in how Govt is operating, won't change a thing! And yes, this is the non-lifelong political agenda that I liked about Trump, and will Vote for him again. It's only a small token against the tide, but we can all see the changes he has caused!

Anyways...

Trump did put an end to H-1B visas for now. For that reason alone, this helps prevent companies from sourcing cheap labor from overseas under the guise that they can't find American tech workers. They can find American tech workers, they just won't work for peanuts and be on-call all hours of the night at stupid rates of pay. That's why they allow foreign workers into the country, to push down the wages.

That's one of the reasons I'll be voting for him again.

agreed, and Silicone Valley was a big promoter back in the day to erode Tech workers strengths here... Nothing new! But then they figured out to just ship it all entirely our of the country! Outsourcing and Globalization!!!

 

[Cooolone]

Yes I'm worried. 49% of the people are idiots and will vote Democrat no matter what. 48% are reasonably intelligent and will vote for Trump. I didn't vote for Trump in the primary in 2016, but it's not as if we have a choice. Throw in the illegals voting, those who vote early and often, these being the dead, soon to be dead, those who have moved away etc. Can you imagine the "peaceful" protestors, rioters, arsonist, thieves, terrorists being in control of the entire gov't. They already control the House.

Well it's a good thing we don't like in a true Democracy where the majority rules!

In a Republic, it works differently! And is why the Democrats have been attacking the Electoral Voting System. Is too bad lol...

 

[drowhawk]

She is not pro 2A. That's a fact. Have you personally had contact with her or her advisors?

She wants to abolish the atf and supports private property owner's rights to posses whatever defense weapons they want. But yeah, vote for whoever you wish. Trump has really shown us how pro-2A he is after the Las Vegas shooting...

 

[Robin]

Not sure 'worried' is the right word, but yes.
Robin

 

[Blimey]

I’ve been wanting a lower for the past 3 months, everyone told me it has to be pinned but reading the law I knew that wasn’t the case.

They be smoking crack. You can buy an unfinished lower right now anywhere in the state for under $100. Just the lower.

more you can have a fixed OR unfixed lower all day long with the lower kit and mag ready to go. It’s only when combined with an upper that it can possibly be illegal and only then if the lower is unfixed AND that mag has the qualifying features.

 

[drowhawk]

I wasn't trying to get into a pissing contest with anyone. I think you are taking it a little too personal. I was involved with the local chapter for a number of years and got out of it right before Hollister's campaign. I know people who are in direct contact with her and Cohen regularly and will certainly be following up on what you are claiming. I know for a fact Biden and Trump outwardly oppose an unregulated 2A so I can't imagine she is worse in any way than the other two.
Sorry if I offended in any way. Definitely wasn't the intent.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Why is it taking you that long?

It took me 4:30 to find the necessary 55 gallon drum of prop wash, sir!

 

[Chevusa]

I haven't seen any of this. Then again, guns are such a hot topic right now, she could be trying to get votes from the left too. Hence her very indeterminate stance on firearms. Either way, I don't think she is anti-2A.

I think the critical difference in the nature of those crimes is that bank robbers have a victim. Illegal immigrants usually don't victimize anyone by coming here. In fact, quite the opposite. Most immigrants become victimized during the process of coming here and again once they are here. I agree it's unfair you should have to pay more for car insurance but if we gave them a path to legally own a car, that wouldn't be a problem. I've never met an immigrant who came here for "handouts and social programs." They come here because our country is the greatest and most prosperous and they want to work.

I agree 100%.

If I had to pay more because of their illegal actions, wouldn’t I be a victim? If you don’t think people try to flock here for handouts and programs then you’ve got your head in the sand. You cannot possibly be that ignorant. Please note I am not saying ALL, but a whole lot of them do. How do you explain the pregnant illegals migrating to sanctuary cities? They want the whole shot paid for and to be anchored in for life.

 

[Darth]

If I was in a swing state I would definitely vote Trump. Being in NY is part of the reason the decision was so easy. NY will pander to whatever policy gets blue votes in. Biden wins the popular vote? NY will vote blue. Guaranteed if Trump wins the popular vote this election NY will see the error in its ways and go back to the electoral college system.

I agree with your previous post, but part ways here.

I'd still vote Jo (at this point) in a swing state.

It's a misconception that side A or B is entitled to your vote. The person that EARNS it gets it.

 

[Chevusa]

I agree with your previous post, but part ways here.

I'd still vote Jo (at this point) in a swing state.

It's a misconception that side A or B is entitled to your vote. The person that EARNS it gets it.

Joe thinks he’s running for the Senate.

 

[drowhawk]

If I had to pay more because of their illegal actions, wouldn’t I be a victim? If you don’t think people try to flock here for handouts and programs then you’ve got your head in the sand. You cannot possibly be that ignorant. Please note I am not saying ALL, but a whole lot of them do. How do you explain the pregnant illegals migrating to sanctuary cities? They want the whole shot paid for and to be anchored in for life.

Absolutely. You would also be a victim. All I'm saying is that the majority of every-day immigrants are not dangerous criminals and they do not come here expecting a hand-out. I think it is an extremely small minority of people that are dangerous and they are only dangerous because of our prohibitive policy. The drug war and the war on immigration across the US-Mexico border has created a lot of the problems they claimed to solve. Either way, I support less prohibitive policies regarding a path to US citizenship and I think if people circumvent a FAIR system like that they should be penalized. When I said I support open borders, I meant that I support giving law-abiding citizens a path to citizenship regardless of how they got here.

 

[Chevusa]

Absolutely. You would also be a victim. All I'm saying is that the majority of every-day immigrants are not dangerous criminals and they do not come here expecting a hand-out. I think it is an extremely small minority of people that are dangerous and they are only dangerous because of our prohibitive policy. The drug war and the war on immigration across the US-Mexico border has created a lot of the problems they claimed to solve. Either way, I support less prohibitive policies regarding a path to US citizenship and I think if people circumvent a FAIR system like that they should be penalized. When I said I support open borders, I meant that I support giving law-abiding citizens a path to citizenship regardless of how they got here.

So it’s our fault that they are dangerous criminals? Dangerous criminals are that way because they’ve got deep rooted problems. They are sick people. I don’t shoot up a store because they had a policy that I can only get 1 TP. Why not? It’s their fault after all. Their policy is what’s stopping me. What’s the difference? Stop making excuses for dangerous criminals.

 

[Darth]

 

[Darth]

So it’s our fault that they are dangerous criminals? Dangerous criminals are that way because they’ve got deep rooted problems. They are sick people. I don’t shoot up a store because they had a policy that I can only get 1 TP. Why not? It’s their fault after all. Their policy is what’s stopping me. What’s the difference? Stop making excuses for dangerous criminals.

If TP was illegal, the situation would be the same. Violence would erupt.

Even if it was just scarce.

See: Covid 19.

 

[Chevusa]

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I get it but it serves no purpose. Other than maybe making you feel good for a few hours. Not sure why you’d help the guy who has already said he’s putting Beto “hell yes we’re taking your guns” in charge of his gun policy. I guess it doesn’t matter much in this state anyway but.... Yes we all know you are mad at Trump for taking away that plastic thing that made you feel cool at the range firing wildly and wasting ammo. I’d rather have the actual guns though than some gimmick plastic toy attachment that made you shoot fast while hitting nothing.

 

[Darth]

I get it but it serves no purpose. Other than maybe making you feel good for a few hours. Not sure why you’d help the guy who has already said he’s putting Beto “hell yes we’re taking your guns” in charge of his gun policy. I guess it doesn’t matter much in this state anyway but.... Yes we all know you are mad at Trump for taking away that plastic thing that made you feel cool at the range firing wildly and wasting ammo. I’d rather have the actual guns though than some gimmick plastic toy attachment that made you shoot fast while hitting nothing.

I don't know what you're babbling about, but you may want to read my post again carefully.

Your last line is the same wonderful justification for not even considering Trump though.

Who needs:

Full autos

30 round mags

ARs with 2 features

ARs with 1 feature

Bump Stocks <You are here

Semi auto guns

Non single shot guns

Guns


Anyway?

 

[Celt]

Regardless of who wins the election, the country loses.

If Trump wins, we can expect more of the deep-state and Soros-funded sedition.
If Trump loses, can kiss our freedoms goodbye.

Just said the same thing today to my step son. If he wins its 4 years of hatred, sham impeachment and attacks from the left. If Biden wins if going to lots of lost freedom while the media says things are wonderful.