ATF rule change, ID must show Full middle name

[Acer-m14]

back .. i just got my social security card and looked at it .. just a R in the middle .. now what ... LOL ..

edit .. My Drivers lic .. is just a R .. ..

i don't think i have ever spelt out my whole middle name on any document ..

 

[libertysnake]

back .. i just got my social security card and looked at it .. just a R in the middle .. now what ... LOL ..

edit .. My Drivers lic .. is just a R .. ..

i don't i have ever spelt out my whole middle name on any document ..

Good thing I checked -- mine does have my middle name on my SS card. That's it though.

 

[Acer-m14]

fixed it .. i don't think i have ever spelt out my whole middle name on any document .. lol

if i remember correctly the only document that has my full middle name on it is my birth cert .. nothing that i have filled out ..

 

[Grimscale]

You stated it had nothing to do with NY State...I only submitted how can a NY State ID satisfy a Fed requirement. Much too sensitive

Wasn't this the whole point to the "enhanced" drivers licenses? The Feds told NY their system wasn't comprehensive enough, and so "normal" drivers licenses were no longer being accepted at border crossings, airports, etc.

 

[Gonzobird]

The 4473 doesn’t always need a full middle name. What the person fills out has to match what is in the ID. So if you have Fred A. Johnson on your ID you fill in Fred A. Johnson with an IO at the end of it. If your ID has Fred Alfred Johnson then you fill out Fred Alfred Johnson.
Runnings is wrong. Even when you log into NICs or call in to NICs the first thing that is asked is Does the information in box 9 match what is on the ID?

On the instruction pages at the end the only thing it says about box 9 is to write the buyers name above the box if the buyer writes it to messy you can’t read it. If your permit and your DL have a middle Initial and that is what was written in the form you are good to go. That is why I take photocopies of IDs when I do checks.

 

[Criticalt]

The 4473 doesn’t always need a full middle name. What the person fills out has to match what is in the ID. So if you have Fred A. Johnson on your ID you fill in Fred A. Johnson with an IO at the end of it. If your ID has Fred Alfred Johnson then you fill out Fred Alfred Johnson.
Runnings is wrong. Even when you log into NICs or call in to NICs the first thing that is asked is Does the information in box 9 match what is on the ID?
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On the instruction pages at the end the only thing it says about box 9 is to write the buyers name above the box if the buyer writes it to messy you can’t read it. If your permit and your DL have a middle Initial and that is what was written in the form you are good to go. That is why I take photocopies of IDs when I do checks.

This is pretty much accurate.
I talked to the ATF today AFTER I submitted to the man and brought my birth certificate to Runnings......I really wanted this gun......dont get excited, its just a Ruger Wrangler for $199.
Anyways, the ATF said you DO NOT have to have your middle name spelled out on you documents.
The change to the 4473 pertaining to name is that if you only have a middle initial, you must put IO (initial only) after the initial and if you dont have a middle name, put NMN (no middle name) in the middle name box.
He said the old 4473 clearly said to put your "middle name", not middle initial.
The difference now is you MUST spell out middle named whereas they used to accept just the initial.
But he said you DO NOT have to have middle name spelled out on documents.....you just have to spell it out to process the form.
Thats the information I got anyways.

 

[stokes]

But he said you DO NOT have to have middle name spelled out on documents.....you just have to spell it out to process the form.
Thats the information I got anyways.

Thats exactly what the LGS clerk did with mine.My DL has my middle initial,she just asked what the name was and filled in the info on the form.

 

[Gonzobird]

@Criticalt I just got myself a Wrangler a few weeks ago to plink around with. Great gun for the money. Congrats. You should like it. It is fun on the cheap. Two things I don't like about it:
1) it would have been nice if it was an 8 round cylinder
2) Just doesnt have the satisfying four clicks my three screw blackhawk has.

 

[Criticalt]

@Criticalt I just got myself a Wrangler a few weeks ago to plink around with. Great gun for the money. Congrats. You should like it. It is fun on the cheap. Two things I don't like about it:
1) it would have been nice if it was an 8 round cylinder
2) Just doesnt have the satisfying four clicks my three screw blackhawk has.

Cool
I have a few double actions and wanted a single action that was cheap to shoot during this ammo shortage. I have quite a bit of ammo for other calibers but I like to shoot alot so the Wrangler sounded good. Ive stacked the 500 round Winchester 22LR boxes pretty deep......and this will save my other calibers some.
Doing some research I learned that some of the other less expensive single action 22LR can have issues with being ammo sensitive....namely the Heritage Rough Rider which I couldnt find anyways.......and my ammo is cheap!!

 

[Acer-m14]

Heritage Rough Rider

I think my buds wife has one .. and no way she is selling if she does have it .. lol .. and its shoots anything we feed it so far .. i think it came with the 22lr magnum cyl too ..

I'll be up there for dinner with them soon ( 4pm today ) .. will ask and get photo to make you mad lol .. see if i can shoot it with some old k-Mart 99 cent baggie rounds lol .. i have some old 22 cheeep ammo too lol ..

 

[Modean]

No such problem picking up a lower at Gander yesterday, and my license just has my middle initial.

 

[MuttCat]

I feel safer knowing that one more idiotic ministerial act has probably saved the life of a child.....

 

[Criticalt]

I think my buds wife has one .. and no way she is selling if she does have it .. lol .. and its shoots anything we feed it so far .. i think it came with the 22lr magnum cyl too ..

I'll be up there for dinner with them soon ( 4pm today ) .. will ask and get photo to make you mad lol .. see if i can shoot it with some old k-Mart 99 cent baggie rounds lol .. i have some old 22 cheeep ammo too lol ..

My buddy has 2 Rough Riders. One is older and is just 22LR and the other is the 22LR/22WMR. I havent heard of any ammo issues with his but apparently the new ones have some issues......according to Youtube and the internet.
I will say this, the Wrangler is a far better made gun.....better metal, better trigger, better weight, better finish......
The couple things about the Rough Rider I like better are that they look and operate more authenticly. But the Wrangler is much safer........no first hammer click to load and the Wrangler has a transfer bar like all Ruger revolvers so you can carry fully loaded.
Also, the Wrangler doesnt have the silly plastic thumb safety like the RR.
Both guns are based on the Colt SAA and the Wrangler is the same as the Ruger Single 6......so you can use grips and such from the Single 6 on the Wrangler.

 

[Justin]

So a buddy of mine picked up a handgun from Sportsman's Warehouse today and was told he needed an ID that showed his full middle name as this is a new ATF requirement within the last month or so. Anyone else hear of this (maybe I'm late to the party) He did not have any ID but they let him buy a 1-day fishing license and included his middle name and accepted this as a form of ID.

 

[libertysnake]

So a buddy of mine picked up a handgun from Sportsman's Warehouse today and was told he needed an ID that showed his full middle name as this is a new ATF requirement within the last month or so. Anyone else hear of this (maybe I'm late to the party) He did not have any ID but they let him buy a 1-day fishing license and included his middle name and accepted this as a form of ID.

There was a thread on it a while back.

Afaik the ID requirement is related to 4473s. I'm due to update my license so about that time anyway.

My social security card is the only ID I have that lists my middle name on it. So I keep a digital copy on me. Need to find a photo license with it going forward.

 

[JaguarJaguarGolf]

I got one of those new unobtanium drivers licenses that are supposed to be ok for flying. It has my middle name spelled out.

 

[dwa12479]

Here's a previous thread on this exact topic.

Runnings "federal law" antics.

Ive been out of the loop lately but got a big surprise today. Went to Runnings in Jamestown NY to buy a handgun. After I picked the gun I wanted and after handing the clerk my drivers license and NYS pistol permit, she asked of I had anything with my middle name spelled out. I said no but had...

nygunforum.com

 

[spat]

Tell them that *is* your full middle name. Say your parents had an odd sense of humor....

 

[thegatman]

So I go to purchase a pistol at Runnings. In order to fill out the 4473, I have to have a government ID with my full name including middle name. Well my NYS drivers license has a middle initial and so does my NYS pistol permit. I was informed that these do not qualify as “ID”. I have to go back today with my Federal passport which has my middle name.
Also Runnings wants you to pay in full, fill out the 4473, be approved before you get a bill of sale. Being in Monroe County, I have to mail in a transfer addendum, bill of sale, $3.00 and pictures of my permit and they will send me a coupon and updated permit.
HOOPS gotta love them.

 

[Cooolone]

Fuck you very much, I'll take my business elsewhere if you're breaking my balls!

 

[BuffNiag]

ATF rule change, ID must show Full middle name

Ive been out of the loop lately but got a big surprise today. Went to Runnings in Jamestown NY to buy a handgun. After I picked the gun I wanted and after handing the clerk my drivers license and NYS pistol permit, she asked of I had anything with my middle name spelled out. I said no but had...

nygunforum.com

 

[Edwardteach72]

Some have mentioned that you can go buy a 1 day fishing license with your full middle on it and they will take that

 

[thegatman]

Sorry. I must have missed that whole thread.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Click bait

 

[thegatman]

Great deal though.

 

[S&W Fan]

The dumbass Runnings gun counter clerks don’t know any more about gun laws vs store policy than the cashier up in the front of the store. I left merchandise on the gun counter after pointing out that fact over a year ago at runnjngs and told them that I’d Never spend another penny in their store. Clueless is as clueless does.

 

[kev74]

We deal with enough BS here. I won't do business with places that try and add more.

 

[Cooolone]

We deal with enough BS here. I won't do business with places that try and add more.

^^^THIS^^^

Is exactly how I spend my $$$... I don't feed trolls! Especially when they have a storefront pretending to be a Firearms dealer assisting citizens exercising their 2A Rights!

I won't, and will not, EVER, support anything that implements its own rules that create hurdles or burdens above and beyond what is required by law! I do not support online vendors that do the same, in the name of "being safe" or if they received a bullshit letter from the NYS AG and all those bullshit defacto infringements...

Fuck them all!
It's my $ and I'll decide who I give it to!

 

[livingston]

* * If you plan on purchasing a firearm, make sure your ID has your current address and FULL MIDDLE NAME. If it does not, bring government-issued documentation that does include your full legal name, per new ATF regulations. * *

The Firing Pin | Indoor Shooting Range & Gun Shop in Bergen, NY

www.thefiringpinny.com

 

[thegatman]

A one day fishing license counts as govt’ issued documentation. I used my passport in my last transaction.