ATF rule change, ID must show Full middle name

[That_FNG]

It has been this way for a while now.

 

[4WHLDRFTN]

just show your taliban card and good to go

 

[Acer-m14]

what if my DL has no full middle name which is the same as on my SSN card .. isnt there that code to use like "IO" initial only ..

btw .. AFT i love your new biden name .. Alcohol and Firearms Traffickers'

 

[rayballz]

What if you do not have a middle name?

 

[kev74]

What if you do not have a middle name?

Obviously you can't be trusted to have a gun!

 

[Jmac00]

oddly, only my Drivers license has my full name on it, EVERYTHING else I have, including carry permit, has my middle initial.

 

[fresch]

What if my middle initial is my middle name?

 

[2WheelGnnr]

Just another hoop to jump through...None of my ID have my full middle name...Jeez..so now I need to get a new DL or something or other to buy any smile devices that go bang....Goodness!!!!!

wait my PA permit has my middle name spelled out.....Either way.....just another hoop and bull.... I use my middle initial signing documents but now.....Ohhh Jeez...why bother we all know. PIA

 

[byron]

18 U.S.C. 922(t)(1)(C): IDENTIFICATION OF TRANSFEREE 27 CFR 178.124: FIREARMS TRANSACTION RECORD Licensees may accept a combination of valid government-issued documents to satisfy the identification document requirements of the Brady Act. The required valid government-issued photo identification document bearing the name, photograph, and date of birth of the transferee may be supplemented by another valid, government-issued document showing the transferee's residence address. A member of the Armed Forces on active duty is a resident of the State in which his or her permanent duty station is located, and may satisfy the identification document requirement by presenting his or her military identification card along with official orders showing that his or her permanent duty station is within the State where the licensed premises are located. ATF Ruling 79-7 is superseded. ATF Rul. 2001-5 The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) has received numerous inquiries from Federal firearms licensees (FFLs) regarding the acceptance of identification documents that do not show the purchaser's current residence address. FFLs have asked whether they may accept other documents, such as tax bills or vehicle registration documents, to establish the current residence address of the purchaser. It has been ATF's longstanding position that licensees may accept a combination of documents to establish the identity of a firearm purchaser. ATF Rul. 79-7, ATFQB 79-1, 26, interpreted a licensee's obligation to obtain satisfactory identification from a purchaser in the manner customarily used in commercial transactions, pursuant to the existing regulations under the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA). The ruling held that satisfactory identification of a firearms purchaser must include the purchaser's name, age or date of birth, place of residence, and signature. The ruling also held that while a particular document may not be sufficient to meet the statutory requirement for identifying the purchaser, any combination of documents that together disclosed the required information would be acceptable. ATF Rul. 79-7 has been superseded by an amendment to the GCA. The Brady H

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/ruling/2001-5-identification-transferee/download#:~:text=ATF%20regulations%20further%20require%20that,and%20photograph%20of%20the%20holder.&text=Such%20an%20identification%20document%20may,that%20contains%20the%20necessary%20information

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Doesn't look like any changes in this part in years

 

[Cavalry]

Interesting, Neither my drivers license nor my passport have my middle name or initial.

 

[Robin]

Fuck this shit!
Robin

 

[fresch]

Lucky my fake ID has all the correct fake information.

 

[thegatman]

Can you use your vaccine card?

 

[S&W Fan]

This is my middle name

 

[libertysnake]

God this is getting so oppressive. What do they think, I'm trying to vote or something? It's just a simple purchase.

 

[Acer-m14]

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/download

right from there .. that "IO" .. see nothing in the instructions on needing to use full middle name .. DL legal document with middle ini only .. legal i would say

 

[Deplorable Me]

Just bought a new handgun last Wednesday. No full name on license. No problem.

 

[inglorious]

Just tell them when they arrest Hunter Biden for lying on his forms to get a gun then you'll worry about putting your full middle name on the form.

 

[wizrd]

New sign in Runnings in Rome, NY yesterday.

 

[GTN]

Yeah I ran into this a month ago. No middle name no gun. Luckily I have a passport that has my middle name but I had to go back home to get it

 

[BuffNiag]

ATF rule change, ID must show Full middle name

Ive been out of the loop lately but got a big surprise today. Went to Runnings in Jamestown NY to buy a handgun. After I picked the gun I wanted and after handing the clerk my drivers license and NYS pistol permit, she asked of I had anything with my middle name spelled out. I said no but had...

nygunforum.com

ATF has a new regulation per an alert from the Firing Pin in Bergen NY

* * If you plan on purchasing a firearm, make sure your ID has your current address and FULL MIDDLE NAME. If it does not, bring government-issued documentation that does include your full legal name, per new ATF regulations. * * https://www.thefiringpinny.com/

nygunforum.com

 

[That_FNG]

How is this a hoop? Your ID should have always have your middle name on it. Every legal document I have ever signed has always required me to sign my full legal name. In the car business if your NYS required car insurance card did not have your full middle it was not considered valid. Been that way for years. I can’t tell you how many customers insurance companies I had to call back and get them to redo the insurance cards because it did not have their legal name on it.

 

[tgenec86]

All four in my family have our full names on our DL's. It's required on the application. Same on my old GA license and Concealed Carry card. This isn't a hoop. In my opinion every single citizen who wants to VOTE should have a legal ID with their full name on it. None of this BS where you can bring a couple of bills that might have a first and last name spelled out.

 

[meketrefe]

Why would not be there in the first place?
your legal name should always be the same everywhere.
This is very important when traveling too as many countries have 2 parts last name made from father and mothers maiden name.
So in any legal documents one should print all legal names that way there is no opportunity for anyone to create any conflict based
on that.

 

[Robin]

The hoop is having to show an ID, this is just harassment.
Robin

 

[Cooolone]

First off... If it's a Govt issued ID, whatever name in it's is adequate enough. Period!

Pistol license(s) here and in other States have middle initials and that's all that's legally required! And for identity theft consideration, all that should be needed...

I agree, that this is just another bullshit hoop to jump through implemented by the anti-gun Progressivism of the current administration...

All just big bullshit!

And oh, no need for ANY ID to exercise that silly RIGHT, the one to VOTE! So ANY Identity requirements then to exercise other rights become arbitrary and capricious, burdensome!

Watch and wait for the ridiculous burdens they will place on carry permits and more once the SCOTUS rules that possession outside a home is a Right ... Oh boy! Wait for the Exorcist head spinning for sure!

Have a nice day!

 

[PutnamCharlie]

What if you don't have a middle name? You are not required to give your kids a middle name.

 

[That_FNG]

What if you don't have a middle name? You are not required to give your kids a middle name.

Whatever your legal given name is. Quite a few people have just a first and last name. The problem is when a mistake is made when issuing your ID and your ID doesn’t contain your full legal name.

 

[Doc8404]

Interesting. My New York State drivers license does not and never has had my full middle name. Luckily my DOD retired identification card does.

 

[GTN]

What if you don't have a middle name? You are not required to give your kids a middle name.

Yep my Dad doesn’t have a middle name. Nothing on his birth certificate or social security card