ATF Seizes Firearms from Amish Dairy Farmer....

[FP1201]

Both assassinations of the Kennedys and MLK were used in the "selling" of the GCA of 1968. They used social media of the day (pop music) and news stories. They (Southern Democrats) weren't about to say that they are paralyzed with fear when it comes to black men wif guns. They were smart enough not to say it then and they would never admit it today. So they blamed "Mail Order" guns and "Saturday Night Specials" while subtly convincing white suburban men that big blackbucks were a coming for their womenfolk with guns. The NRA was not a gun rights organization at that time because gun rights were not under assault until then But Congressmen feared them as a voting block. By crafting the Background Check record retention verbiage, they got the NRA to endorse the GCA Act. How did that work out for us? How did it work out for Black Americans?
You are right about the Irish and the Italians on the Sullivan Act. Again, newspapers of the day depicted mob violence as gun violence and NY Citizens were all for ending gun violence. How did that work out?

Interesting read on this.

 

[Deplorable Me]

The way I see the problems is there aren't enough FFL's to serve the Amish community. How many Cabela's are located in the rural Amish areas and how long a buggy drive is it to the nearest Cabela's? Mail order/internet is killing off FFL's and brick and mortar shops. ATF and government regulations really makes for a hostile business environment for small FFL's. So some Amish country guy decides to fill a business need to guarantee local rights are covered. This is what the situation amounts to. If the government and ATF really gave a shit they'd have customer service help the guy get his FFL.

 

[spat]

GCA Could have started even before that ..


A song ..

""The Night Chicago Died" is about a shoot-out between the Chicago Police and gangsters tied to Al Capone. It was inspired by the real-life Saint Valentine's Day Massacre,[2] although that involved Capone's men killing seven of Bugs Moran's gang members and had nothing to do with the police. "

1930's Al Capone was arrested in 1932 for income tax evasion.

Can't have them tommy guns ..

That's where NFA came from.

GCA was step 2.

NFA was also supposed to include a ban on handguns, but that got scrapped. The SBR and SBS laws are the vestiges of that ban.

 

[Cavalry]

The way I see the problems is there aren't enough FFL's to serve the Amish community. How many Cabela's are located in the rural Amish areas and how long a buggy drive is it to the nearest Cabela's? Mail order/internet is killing off FFL's and brick and mortar shops. ATF and government regulations really makes for a hostile business environment for small FFL's. So some Amish country guy decides to fill a business need to guarantee local rights are covered. This is what the situation amounts to. If the government and ATF really gave a shit they'd have customer service help the guy get his FFL.

Meeh. I live in a Amish rich environment. Plenty of FFL's here, one is actually on the end of the road where they seem to nest.

Amish have no problems hiring a ride from an "english". Go to anyplace near Amish that sells kersosene and you will see a line of pickups with Amish riding shotgun. One of my employees recently retired to drive Amish full time. He's making well over $1000/week cash just driving them to appointments and picking up shit.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Meeh. I live in a Amish rich environment. Plenty of FFL's here, one is actually on the end of the road where they seem to nest.

Amish have no problems hiring a ride from an "english". Go to anyplace near Amish that sells kersosene and you will see a line of pickups with Amish riding shotgun. One of my employees recently retired to drive Amish full time. He's making well over $1000/week cash just driving them to appointments and picking up shit.

Very interesting insights, thanks.

 

[fresch]

At what time period of technology is ok with the Amish?
They use today's tech. inadvertently.

 

[Cavalry]

At what time period of technology is ok with the Amish?
They use today's tech. inadvertently.

It all depends on the cult, I mean sect.
As an example, one side of the river here they have battery powered LED lights on their buggies so much as it looks like a rolling horse drawn disco, the other side its forbidden. If they have a disability that prevents them from farming with horses they can have a relitively modern tractor as long as it has steel wheels and cannot start electrically. None of their rules make any sense any more, and they love being shithouse lawyers to find and exploit the loopholes. If its for business tech is allowed if you follow the rules, but not for personal use to make their lives easier.
In general they can use any tech as long as its not theirs. They can own a truck and a trailer to conduct business with that as long as an English drives it. Same thing with cell phones/landlines. They will pay the bill with a premium to English and can have it because its not theirs.
I know a couple Amish and the things they come up with are insane. Moden washing machines converted to run on Honda engines. Small engines made into pony motors for starting big diesels. I know one guy with a machine shop, no electricity from outside, all the AC powered machines were converted to hydraulic and run off a diesel engine, but he can run a small generator to power a PC strictly for doing his books and printing invoices.

 

[FP1201]

That's where NFA came from.

GCA was step 2.

NFA was also supposed to include a ban on handguns, but that got scrapped. The SBR and SBS laws are the vestiges of that ban.

The Reason is not always the explanation. It was blamed on "Gangsters and Bank Robbers" (again the Honest Citizen suffers the Criminal) but I doubt that was the Flag they were flying....It took quite a while to find it the first time, and I'm not inclined to go looking for it again, but I DID find the Transcripts from the Hearings (In the Senate IIRC) and it came down to 'nobody needs to own these except Government and the Military' and it was Colt Firearms that sold the People out as that was who their biggest customers were (.gov & .mil)
I believe Hollywood Movies along with Stories written by the Media played and still play a huge influence on Government Legislation, they're certainly used to gin things up even when the problem is smaller than portrayed.

 

[spat]

The Reason is not always the explanation. It was blamed on "Gangsters and Bank Robbers" (again the Honest Citizen suffers the Criminal) but I doubt that was the Flag they were flying....It took quite a while to find it the first time, and I'm not inclined to go looking for it again, but I DID find the Transcripts from the Hearings (In the Senate IIRC) and it came down to 'nobody needs to own these except Government and the Military' and it was Colt Firearms that sold the People out as that was who their biggest customers were (.gov & .mil)
I believe Hollywood Movies along with Stories written by the Media played and still play a huge influence on Government Legislation, they're certainly used to gin things up even when the problem is smaller than portrayed.

There is more to it for sure.

Some of it was the bureaucracy built for prohibition wasn’t just going to go away, they needed a new target to justify their existence too.