Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
These any good for either a mossberg 5.56 bolt varmint rifle or an AR?
ATN scopes
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Shoots100
.44 mag
Their good for mounting on a cinder block, before throwing it in a lake.
ATN= Another Technological Nightmare.
Read reviews on night vision sites before buying anything ATN.
There are some ATN products that are said to work without issues.
I was also told that I'm a Nigerian prince and my fortune awaits transfer into my bank account.
ATN= Another Technological Nightmare.
Read reviews on night vision sites before buying anything ATN.
There are some ATN products that are said to work without issues.
I was also told that I'm a Nigerian prince and my fortune awaits transfer into my bank account.
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
The firmware complaints swayed me away from ATN. Even the fan boys say "the next firmware update will resolve the issues", only for to not resolve the issues. Or create others.
Uninformed and Compliant
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I have that X-Sight 5-20. It works well, once you figure it out.
1. You are not going to carry this thing for hours. You will not shoot unsupported. You will be using a bipod or etc.
2. You will not be using normal AA batteries for the 1 hour that they last. Use either an external battery, or get some LiPo batteries in an AA form factor.
3. NEVER enable any power-save or sleep features. Ever.
4. NEVER enable any power-save or sleep features. Ever.
5. If you do enable any power-save or sleep features, immediately do a factory reset, and start over, and do not enable any power-save or sleep features.
6. NEVER enable any power-save or sleep features. Ever.
7. NEVER enable any power-save or sleep features. Ever. Got problems? Some idiot probably enabled a power-save or sleep feature.
8. I do not care what the firmware update notes say they fixed. NEVER enable any power-save or sleep features. Ever.
9. Not gonna lie, using an external monitor via HDMI is awesome when looking for yotes.
10. The shot calculator works quite well.
11. The remote control roller-and-keypad thing makes it much more convenient to zoom and use features, but the velcro mount idea isn't that great. Luckily you'll be using a bipod so you'll have a free hand. The remote also lacks an off switch, so you need to pull the battery when storing the remote, and try not lose the battery cover.
12. Their bluetooth range finder works nicely with it as well.
13. That focus knob on the top of the unit will probably require a pipe wrench to turn, until you've twisted it non-stop for the initial 60 hour break-in period.
14. The profile feature is the bomb. Toss this unit onto various rifles with quality pic rails and make profiles for them; you can then move it back and forth between those rifles and just load their profile. If the pic rails are any good, you generally won't need to modify zero.
15. The profile feature is also good for different loads.
16. The profile feature and shot calculator is actually really cool when you throw this onto a pellet rifle, if you know the ballistics of the pellet.
17. Be sure to back up all of your profiles so that if you stupidly enable any of the power-save or sleep features, you can restore them after you've repeatedly brain-wiped the device 10x in a row so it won't lock up anymore.
200 yds, no moon and overcast -
18. Note that the marks on the various crosshairs have no calibrated value.
I saw a 4K pro a few weeks ago. It's similar to the X-sight II, but lacks a few features. It does have some advantages, though, and has a slightly newer chipset for longer battery life. I'm not sure if it'd require a Sherpa to lug the rifle around like the X-sight II does, which means bashing through the woods for two hours might be reasonable.
Remember that, for night time, you'll be adding an IR flashlight to your rifle as well.
1. You are not going to carry this thing for hours. You will not shoot unsupported. You will be using a bipod or etc.
2. You will not be using normal AA batteries for the 1 hour that they last. Use either an external battery, or get some LiPo batteries in an AA form factor.
3. NEVER enable any power-save or sleep features. Ever.
4. NEVER enable any power-save or sleep features. Ever.
5. If you do enable any power-save or sleep features, immediately do a factory reset, and start over, and do not enable any power-save or sleep features.
6. NEVER enable any power-save or sleep features. Ever.
7. NEVER enable any power-save or sleep features. Ever. Got problems? Some idiot probably enabled a power-save or sleep feature.
8. I do not care what the firmware update notes say they fixed. NEVER enable any power-save or sleep features. Ever.
9. Not gonna lie, using an external monitor via HDMI is awesome when looking for yotes.
10. The shot calculator works quite well.
11. The remote control roller-and-keypad thing makes it much more convenient to zoom and use features, but the velcro mount idea isn't that great. Luckily you'll be using a bipod so you'll have a free hand. The remote also lacks an off switch, so you need to pull the battery when storing the remote, and try not lose the battery cover.
12. Their bluetooth range finder works nicely with it as well.
13. That focus knob on the top of the unit will probably require a pipe wrench to turn, until you've twisted it non-stop for the initial 60 hour break-in period.
14. The profile feature is the bomb. Toss this unit onto various rifles with quality pic rails and make profiles for them; you can then move it back and forth between those rifles and just load their profile. If the pic rails are any good, you generally won't need to modify zero.
15. The profile feature is also good for different loads.
16. The profile feature and shot calculator is actually really cool when you throw this onto a pellet rifle, if you know the ballistics of the pellet.
17. Be sure to back up all of your profiles so that if you stupidly enable any of the power-save or sleep features, you can restore them after you've repeatedly brain-wiped the device 10x in a row so it won't lock up anymore.
200 yds, no moon and overcast -
18. Note that the marks on the various crosshairs have no calibrated value.
I saw a 4K pro a few weeks ago. It's similar to the X-sight II, but lacks a few features. It does have some advantages, though, and has a slightly newer chipset for longer battery life. I'm not sure if it'd require a Sherpa to lug the rifle around like the X-sight II does, which means bashing through the woods for two hours might be reasonable.
Remember that, for night time, you'll be adding an IR flashlight to your rifle as well.
spat
.950 JDJ
I would like to add.
"Some people suggest a cheek riser is necessary, but you may find a step ladder is more appropriate".
Due to the size, it can be difficult to mount in a good position for proper ergonomics.
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Sounds like more complicated crap than I want to deal with.
Idon’t care about videos or pics.
or so I say now.
Idon’t care about videos or pics.
or so I say now.
Bustedknees
.308 Win
Could have bought both of those models at half price but passed because of reviews I've read here.
When it comes to optics if you never heard of the company, it's shit.
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
who hasn’t heard of ATN?
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I thought the same way,,,,why would I give a shit about video and pics? Until,,,, using it for the first kill and wishing I had video for memory purposes or for showing friends and family. Its really nice to have memories of your hunts.
If you dont want to spend more than what I would suggest for a night time rig,,,which would be a AGM Rattler 25 for a cheap thermal scope,,,,go with a Sightmark 4k day/night scope,,,which is made by the same company who owns Pulsar. Another option for a Pulsar model is the Yukon which is the exact same thing as the Pulsar NV's but hundreds of dollars less.
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If you really want a night time setup,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,dont fuck around and waste money,,,,buy thermal,,,,,,at least buy a thermal monocular. Best cheapest thermal monoculars out there right now are the AGM Taipan 384x288 sensor resolution models,,, whether it be the the TM15, 19 or 25.
Best cheapest thermal scope out there right now is the AGM Rattler 25
I own the AGM Taipan TM15 mono and the Bering Optic Super Hogster scope,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,which are excellent units. The Super Hogster is better than the Rattlers but by very little. Buddy owns a AGM Rattler 35.
I personally would stay away from ATN just because of the research Ive done. All the complaints from firmware issues and how bulky they are.
I'm not up on thermals. I'm just speaking about the constant stream of 'is this good, is that good" in regards to all the cheap sub $100 no name shit on Amazon I get from from new shooters I know.
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
and this is neither the case
I know, I'm just sayin'.
Bustedknees
.308 Win
If that is an orange pricetag on the corner of the box they possibly came from my friends store. He gave them to another friend in hopes he could sell them because he knows more gun people.
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
We are probably talking about the same place.
My buddy does a LOT of work for an Oneida county gun store.
Same people are opening near syracuse.
My buddy does a LOT of work for an Oneida county gun store.
Same people are opening near syracuse.
218bee
.44 mag
I have the 3x12 version ,( used, off EBay,) of the ATN and it was flawless. Came with the most updated software, and I have some awesome videos from it. For me, this type of NV does way more than I needed it to do. (Wind speed, rangerfinder, gps, saved multiple zeros, etc). Just shot rats at night in blackout conditions, even taking it out of a warm van, and into subzero temps the scope behaved perfectly with no glitches & POI never changed. Also the video recorded perfectly. . Good enough for me. Scope in the pic I believe is an Armasight which is also another good bare-bones scope with no frills. Still have both Armasight & the ATN, and this is just my experience .
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I have used ATN, AGM and Pulsar for thermals. We hog hunt a couple times a month here. While ATN is not horrible, I have never had many issues but I run more Pulsar than I ever have ATN. I just ordered two ATN scopes for a buddy of mine, waiting to test those ones out against similar models. I am a dealer for all 3 companies every once and awhile I can get my hands on ones to try out.
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
As cool as I think many of the features are, I would want a simple, proven platform.
Shoots100
.44 mag
Reliability, Warranty and Customer service.
ATN has a bad track record in all of those Dept's.
They are innovative, but there's a reason for the drastically reduced price.
ATN has a bad track record in all of those Dept's.
They are innovative, but there's a reason for the drastically reduced price.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I would love to have some kind of night vision capability but for what would be pretty much incidental use, I can't justify the expense. I hope that in the near future as they become more popular and real competition ramps up the prices will come down, the quality will go up and they will become more affordable.
Such a cool thing!!!!
Robin
Such a cool thing!!!!
Robin