Biden announces funding for EV chargers in 35 states, there’s no turning back now

[Saltwater60]

Sad day with a slow death to America. Once we do this there will be no turning back and they will never admit they fucked up. There will be too much money invested. This will be the biggest blunder in American history IMO if they go full EV. One can only hope they stop short of a full transition and ICE cars will still be a viable option.

Biden announces first round of funding for EV charging network across 35 states

President Joe Biden is in Michigan today at the Detroit Auto Show to promote the launch of electric vehicle manufacturing in the motor city.

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[Phazer]

Utter misuse of federal funds!

With the advent of gasoline-powered vehicles, the oil companies built fueling stations to sell their product. Private corporations built and maintained the refuling infrastructure to ply their wares to those who operated privately-purchased automobiles.

If electric vehicles are such great products, then private industry should have no problems selling their vehicles without government subsidies. If the whole EV revolution is the way of the future, then capitalists should find a way to profit by providing charging services.

There is no place for the federal government to use taxpayer money to pick winners and losers in the marketplace. Products and industries must be self-sustaining. Businesses producing good desired products will thrive. Unwanted, unsuccessful, products will fail. The free marketplace must decide.

 

[Steal2B]

The disposal of the spent toxic batteries is going to be a financial and environmental time bomb.

Even attempting to recover Lithium from spent batteries is several orders of magnitude more expensive than mining, digging and raping the earth.

It'll be a real shit show.

At least spent fuel from nuclear reactors can be reprocessed since only a fraction of the available energy was consumed. FUJimmyCarter.

 

[Grimscale]

Products and industries must be self-sustaining.

So absolutely no federal funds were used to prop up the oil companies? There is no truth to the statements by the Left that oil companies get subsidies?

I'm not saying EVs are the wave of the future, but let's be real here. It's hard to compete against "Big Oil" when it has so many politicians in its pockets.

 

[FRB]

Here is the turn back - cannot use what does not work! These things will NEVER WORK!

 

[FRB]

There is no place for the federal government to use taxpayer money to pick winners and losers in the marketplace. Products and industries must be self-sustaining. Businesses producing good desired products will thrive. Unwanted, unsuccessful, products will fail. The free marketplace must decide.

Especially using a SCAM on society (man made climate change) as the reason.

 

[Deplorable Me]

But Teslas are the leading cause of global warming.

 

[Saltwater60]

Here is the turn back - cannot use what does not work! These things will NEVER WORK!

Time will tell but once these EV charging networks are built there is no way they will turn back. With the money they spent and how they have staked their whole careers, he’ll their whole political party on it they will never admit they messed up.
What I see happening is they will bury the bad reports, highlight the successes like you can power your home in a power outage that we caused with the car we shoved down your throats. Also keep in mind EV’s will work for many and in many instances in the short term. Any failings will be blamed on the companies producing them. I’m not sure if you Elsa’s it but California is already doing that by saying EV’s have to meet certain standards with range and battery life that aren’t possible these days. Yet CA is demanding they be sold and bought?? I think they will offer a few select ICE vehicles as commercial or heavy commuter/travelers or something. There can not be 100% conversion anytime soon, if ever. This will cost an absolute fortune to do. If they can do wireless charging that can keep up with demand it might work, but I’m not sure how feasible that is.

 

[Modean]

So absolutely no federal funds were used to prop up the oil companies? There is no truth to the statements by the Left that oil companies get subsidies?

I'm not saying EVs are the wave of the future, but let's be real here. It's hard to compete against "Big Oil" when it has so many politicians in its pockets.

Look at it this way. Did it become illegal to sell a horse and buggy after automobiles were invented, or did the open market make the decision?

 

[meketrefe]

Looking for 2 trillion kw/h
Where are they?

 

[Saltwater60]

Look at it this way. Did it become illegal to sell a horse and buggy after automobiles were invented, or did the open market make the decision?

Automobiles were better. EV’s aren’t better than an ICE vehicle. Yes that’s my opinion but also the opinion of many others since I haven’t seen any reports of EV’s being Best Buy’s, best picks, best in class, cheaper cost of ownership, nothing like that at all. So apparently the experts agree with me. I certainly could have missed an article praising EV’s.

 

[Modean]

Automobiles were better. EV’s aren’t better than an ICE vehicle. Yes that’s my opinion but also the opinion of many others since I haven’t seen any reports of EV’s being Best Buy’s, best picks, best in class, cheaper cost of ownership, nothing like that at all. So apparently the experts agree with me. I certainly could have missed an article praising EV’s.

Exactly my point. If EVs were great, they wouldn’t have to be forced on us, we would want them.

 

[Saltwater60]

Exactly my point. If EVs were great, they wouldn’t have to be forced on us, we would want them.

This is just it and you’re correct they are 100% being forced on us by the democrats. It has everything to do with the EPA making the MPG average up to 49 mpg by 2024 if I remember correctly. This will be a disaster. No one I talk with wants them. A few people say to me they could see them as a secondary car for their wife and one guy I know has a volt as a third car for to and from work. Then he has the biggest truck you can get so it’s pretty funny.

 

[dwa12479]

EVs are pretty cool machines and they do work well. BUT.... not as a "green" alternative to ICE vehicles. The power generation for the electricity to charge EVs is still primarily fossil fuels. Until that changes, EVs are no more "climate friendly " than any average ICE vehicle on the road.

 

[Saltwater60]

EVs are pretty cool machines and they do work well. BUT.... not as a "green" alternative to ICE vehicles. The power generation for the electricity to charge EVs is still primarily fossil fuels. Until that changes, EVs are no more "climate friendly " than any average ICE vehicle on the road.

I’m not saying they are cool, fast, or a viable option for some, but they just don’t work for all.
My parents have country property 100 miles away with no power at all and it’s the smallest of rural towns. It will be tough for them to drive there and back with the loads the commonly bring there and back. The cost and inconvenience just makes them not right. I tow and haul a lot with my truck so they don’t work for me. Now my wife she could get one, but why would she when she had her new car for almost 3 months and has around 600 miles on it. The cost isn’t there plus none of the smaller EV’s were to her taste. They are ugly.

 

[Grimscale]

It has everything to do with the EPA making the MPG average up to 49 mpg by 2024 if I remember correctly.

So where are the "MPG" rules for EVs? Where is it stated that an EV MUST have a range of XX miles before requiring a recharge?

My wife's car gets anywhere from 25 to 30 MPG (depending on the weight of her foot).
She usually fills up at 3/4 tank, and it takes 10 gallons.

So, even at a conservative estimate you're looking at 250-300 miles.
Now, to compete with the NEW MPG requirements a car would have to go 490 miles between fillups.

So why don't EVs go for 490 miles before requiring a recharge?
And why doesn't an EV take only 5-10 minutes to recharge?

Until they do, Dementia Joe and his cronies can just fuck right the hell off.

 

[dwa12479]

I’m not saying they are cool, fast, or a viable option for some, but they just don’t work for all.
My parents have country property 100 miles away with no power at all and it’s the smallest of rural towns. It will be tough for them to drive there and back with the loads the commonly bring there and back. The cost and inconvenience just makes them not right. I tow and haul a lot with my truck so they don’t work for me. Now my wife she could get one, but why would she when she had her new car for almost 3 months and has around 600 miles on it. The cost isn’t there plus none of the smaller EV’s were to her taste. They are ugly.

Oh I agree. I was just making the point that all the people that think EVs are do "green" are clueless.

 

[Saltwater60]

So where are the "MPG" rules for EVs? Where is it stated that an EV MUST have a range of XX miles before requiring a recharge?

My wife's car gets anywhere from 25 to 30 MPG (depending on the weight of her foot).
She usually fills up at 3/4 tank, and it takes 10 gallons.

So, even at a conservative estimate you're looking at 250-300 miles.
Now, to compete with the NEW MPG requirements a car would have to go 490 miles between fillups.

So why don't EVs go for 490 miles before requiring a recharge?
And why doesn't an EV take only 5-10 minutes to recharge?

Until they do, Dementia Joe and his cronies can just fuck right the hell off.

Because they are shit. I’m assuming and I’ve never confirmed this so that EV’s are calculated very favorably into this mpg range for this purpose.
I just looked and they use MPGe for this and they developed it early in the 2000’s. They decided 33.7 KWH is equal to 1 gallon of gas in energy, but not pollution. Skewed just as I thought.

https://www.kbb.com/car-advice/what-is-mpge/

 

[Acer-m14]

going to the Daytona 500 with all electric cars racing will really suck ..

 

[Acer-m14]

BTW did Henry Ford get a tax hand out for his cars and factory .. i read it was like 17 yrs till he got the factory online

 

[Phazer]

going to the Daytona 500 with all electric cars racing will really suck ..

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[Jmac00]

Utter misuse of federal funds!

With the advent of gasoline-powered vehicles, the oil companies built fueling stations to sell their product. Private corporations built and maintained the refuling infrastructure to ply their wares to those who operated privately-purchased automobiles.

If electric vehicles are such great products, then private industry should have no problems selling their vehicles without government subsidies. If the whole EV revolution is the way of the future, then capitalists should find a way to profit by providing charging services.

There is no place for the federal government to use taxpayer money to pick winners and losers in the marketplace. Products and industries must be self-sustaining. Businesses producing good desired products will thrive. Unwanted, unsuccessful, products will fail. The free marketplace must decide.

sure there is, if your ultimate goal is total control over society. 90% of the citizens of this country don't have a clue whats coming. When they finally figure it out, it will be to late.

 

[Acer-m14]

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now formula racing is going to go down hill ... you will hear nothing or fake sounds ... till someone crashes lol

 

[ProgSpear]

sure there is, if your ultimate goal is total control over society. 90% of the citizens of this country don't have a clue whats coming. When they finally figure it out, it will be to late.

This. Read the Agenda 21 and Agenda 2030 crap.

 

[Acer-m14]

toss in the towel .. were fucked .. lol

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[ProgSpear]

toss in the towel .. were fucked .. lol

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Nope. Still got a shovelhead.

 

[Jmac00]

toss in the towel .. were fucked .. lol

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I dare anyone, no, I double dog dare anyone to tell the Hells Angels, Mongols, Iron Horseman, Brotherhood, Excalibur, Golden Knights ect,ect, ect they have to give up there Harley's.

I would strongly suggest you do it by phone, from orbit, cause you're going to be dead within minutes