Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
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Biden AR-15 Tax Plan Would Hit Gun Owners for Up to $3.6 Billion
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This right here is rather interesting.
If I break down my AR, I no longer have a gun?
If I break down my AR, I no longer have a gun?
spat
.950 JDJ
If I take the pistol upper off my AR pistol and throw my rifle length upper on it (over all length over 26") then my buddy without a pistol permit can shoot the "other" all he wants.
I think he could probably carry the whole pistol around as long as the upper and lower aren't attached, since NY doesn't have "constructive possession" AFAIK.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
from what vids i have watched from many places over this topic .. NY doesn't have "constructive possession" from what i know too ..
but the ATF Feds do .. from the vids ..
but the ATF Feds do .. from the vids ..
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Good thing I don’t have an actual assault weapon per the law. Mine are all NYS compliant.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Of FUJB and FUKH and FUDC
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Is this a one time thing or does this need to be renewed?
I thought this article was pretty good. The link didn’t work for me on the article above.https://www.atr.org/ending-sentence-enhancements-soft-taxpayers-not-soft-crime
I thought this article was pretty good. The link didn’t work for me on the article above.https://www.atr.org/ending-sentence-enhancements-soft-taxpayers-not-soft-crime
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
They need money for that new green deal ... My bet they will start with the AR-15 and extend it to every gun in this country... And for good measure ... It will be a yearly tax ... What better way to limit gun ownership.... Cost you $ 200/year to own that glock... Look what they did to the smokes ...
poll tax anyone?
MothMan
.338 Win Mag
CONSTRUCTIVE POSSESSION
POSSESS means to have physical possession or otherwise to exercise dominion or control over tangible property. Thus a person may possess property in either of two ways:
First, the person may have physical possession of property by holding it in his or her hand, or by carrying it in or on his or her body or person.
Second, the person may exercise dominion or control over property not in his or her physical possession. A person who exercises dominion or control over property not in his or her physical possession is said to have that property in his or her “constructive possession.”
Under our law, a person has tangible property in his or her constructive possession when that person exercises a level of control over the area in which the property is found, or over the person from whom the property is seized, sufficient to give him or
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[NOTE: Add where appropriate:
Additionally, the law recognizes the possibility that two or
more individuals can jointly have property in their constructive possession. Two or more persons have property in their joint constructive possession when they each exercise dominion or control over the property by a sufficient level of control over the area in which the property is found or over the person from whom the property is seized to give each of them the ability to use or dispose of the property.]2
1See People v Manini, 79 NY2d 561, 573 (1992). 2 See People v. Tirado, 38 N.Y.2d 955 (1976).
her the ability to use or dispose of the property.
spat
.950 JDJ
Not the same as the federal constructive possession notion that the ATF exercises.
The ATF version says if you have an AR lower with a stock, and a pistol upper you are in "constructive possession" of an unregistered SBR unless you also have another upper with a 16+" barrel.
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Catskillkid
.450/400 Nitro Ex
DrBleachCocktail
.44 mag
“Second Amendment, terms & conditions apply. No rights reserved.” Is a bit of a contradiction isn’t it?
RDN
.357 mag
If the AR-15 never existed, they would be going after our Ruger Mini 14's, then our Shotguns.... till there are only .22lr remaining.
Does this include lowers?
Asking for a friend...
Bawahaha I love it. Seriously the more people who get pissed off and angry at the power hungry left the better. Wake up FUDDs you're going to be next. Everyone needs to unite and stand against this BS.
Do you know what the left does when someone tries to pass laws or rules they don't like? They riot, destroy things and burn shit down.
Asking for a friend...
Bawahaha I love it. Seriously the more people who get pissed off and angry at the power hungry left the better. Wake up FUDDs you're going to be next. Everyone needs to unite and stand against this BS.
Do you know what the left does when someone tries to pass laws or rules they don't like? They riot, destroy things and burn shit down.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Let the gun owners who voted for Biden/Harris pay my portion.
The last time something was unjustly taxed it ended up in the bottom of a harbor.
Who wants to go boating?
Who wants to go boating?
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
I used to see a plan like this and think, "no way. This is a laundry list of what they want. But they know they won't get it all". But now, if they take the house, senate and white house, they will pass this. No idea what the courts would do, but you can bet your ass they will threaten the supreme court to get their way. I would hope it would be struck down and used as toilet paper, but I just don't know.
If the dems take everything, the supreme court better grow a spine. All bets would be off if they decide to add justices or rotate them out, though.
I would expect a small number of people to either comply or turn in their guns, but I think you'll see mass non compliance. Maybe even push back on the state level as well. Our backs would truly be to the wall and out balls to the bandsaw. We would all have nothing to lose at that point.
If the dems take everything, the supreme court better grow a spine. All bets would be off if they decide to add justices or rotate them out, though.
I would expect a small number of people to either comply or turn in their guns, but I think you'll see mass non compliance. Maybe even push back on the state level as well. Our backs would truly be to the wall and out balls to the bandsaw. We would all have nothing to lose at that point.
Not going to comply, even if I had one.
And certainly not going to throw a perfectly useful rifle in the harbor. Might throw a few politicians there, though.
They've pushed too hard. I'm normally the kind of guy that would follow the "rules", but they've made it impossible to do so.
so, fuck 'em.
If they want compliance they might as well start the tattoos, boxcars, and waterless showers. but I guarantee this won't end up like Germany.
And certainly not going to throw a perfectly useful rifle in the harbor. Might throw a few politicians there, though.
They've pushed too hard. I'm normally the kind of guy that would follow the "rules", but they've made it impossible to do so.
so, fuck 'em.
If they want compliance they might as well start the tattoos, boxcars, and waterless showers. but I guarantee this won't end up like Germany.
+1
Also my thoughts. Everyone has their limits of what they are willing to endure and what's too much. There is that "line in the sand" and pretty soon the leftists are going to be pushing law abiding rule followers too far and they will reap what they have sown.
spat
.950 JDJ
I haven't crossed my line yet.
But I am at the point where I will no longer condemn someone who has and takes action, provided they are "resisting" the right people.
I'm not ready to slit throats yet, but I am ready to say "well, he had it coming" if I read about it in the paper
Agree. I'm not saying I've crossed my line yet either. I just meant that in a general sense that different people have different thresholds and perhaps some of those with the lower thresholds are nearing that point
spat
.950 JDJ
There are a lot of different lines to cross.
I think a lot of people have crossed their "passive non compliance" line.
1075tech
.338 Win Mag
Passive non compliance line was crossed a while ago. Even stepped over to the somewhat active, deliberate non compliance side. The IDGAF line is in sight
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
That’s where I’m at. I just don’t care anymore. My sent me a text and said so and so from your high school class died. I responded good the world is better off. She said that’s a horrible thing to say. Well it is but I’m glad he’s dead before he killed some one who didn’t want to die.
I’m not for people getting killed for no reason or just a difference in opinion but I have no issue with vigilante justice. None what so ever.
If they demand my AR’s I’m not sure what I will do. I’m on the fence honestly. I would also only ever give them the lower and nothing else if it came to that. Hopefully they would build something else I could adapt to my other parts. I’m sure some one will. All those parts can’t just go to waste. I’ll slide likely do something else with a few incomplete ones I have.
spat
.950 JDJ
If they come for your AR, there's not much you can do honestly. Maybe take a couple low level guys with you, but really it's not going to make a difference.
When they come for your neighbors AR, that is the time to act. Make sure they just stop showing up for work before they come for yours.
As I hear it, Dementia Joe will be pushing a National Tax on AR-15's - first.
This will sail thru.
IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN
Other firearms to follow.
No links yet. You'll see this soon enough, for real.
This will sail thru.
IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN
Other firearms to follow.
No links yet. You'll see this soon enough, for real.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
As I recall it was already linked here about plans for an ATF fee on every magazine fed semi auto long gun AND each mag over 10 rounds was on his campaign website and Kamala said this approach will follow for every semi auto handgun capable of accepting a magazine greater than 10 rounds AND a fee for each mag greater than 10 rounds.
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