Biden expected to sign executive order on gun control 4/8/21 (ghost gun merged threads)

[Criticalt]

The problem is people need to come together as a group and organize in a way that is effective. When you reach such a large size and level of organization, you presence is felt as a group.

The problem with a lot of these conservative groups, and political groups in general, is they're inherently exploitative and self serving -- the NRA being the worst of them. There needs to be a group dedicated to not just a cause in name, but helping people think independently and realizing how they're being exploited by politicians for political gain. There needs to be a group with the genuine interest and betterment of the minds of people at heart, and not just after the wallets of the people. People who passively consume -- whether opinion or commodity (if there is even a difference) -- are pacified cattle being harvested for votes.

We must all become advocates for free thought. If we help people become active mental participants, we free them by giving them a choice; for it is choice that is inexorably part of being free.

I agree
I talk to anti gunners quite often......I love debating them, the facts are never on their side.
But........one huge mistake we have been making for years is trying to reason with anti gunners with logic. We need to stop with the "its our right" and the second amendment thing.....it doesnt work.....they dont care.
Ive found the best way to reach them is through fear.
I know that sounds terrible but im telling you it works.
Create a scenario where they can picture it in their mind.
A good start is to show them video of actual self defense situations.
Then make them put themselves or their loved ones in those situations.
Two guys kick in your door, they have guns, they take your 15 year old daughter into the basement.......dont you wish you had a gun to even the odds a bit?
Show them videos of robbers taking a wallet, then shooting the victim dead.
"Experts" say to just do what they say and you MIGHT be ok........dont you wish you could fight back?
There are countless scenarios you can have them picture..... The videos show them that bad things happen ALL the time.
Im telling everyone.....the 2nd amendment argument falls on deaf ears.
We must make them value their loved ones lives enough to not let the government take away their only form of defense.
Let them know that its much easier to keep our rights than to regain our rights.
There is nothing better to convert an anti gunner than a good pistol whipping or rape. But video is the best we have to show them that.
Ive seen several antis change their minds completely after a traumatic event in their lives. We need to take the "mass shootings" and "its for the kids" out of the conversation and make it about personal freedoms and self defense.
Youre not gonna care much about mass shootings while youre being raped!!

 

[dwa12479]

I agree
I talk to anti gunners quite often......I love debating them, the facts are never on their side.
But........one huge mistake we have been making for years is trying to reason with anti gunners with logic. We need to stop with the "its our right" and the second amendment thing.....it doesnt work.....they dont care.
Ive found the best way to reach them is through fear.
I know that sounds terrible but im telling you it works.
Create a scenario where they can picture it in their mind.
A good start is to show them video of actual self defense situations.
Then make them put themselves or their loved ones in those situations.
Two guys kick in your door, they have guns, they take your 15 year old daughter into the basement.......dont you wish you had a gun to even the odds a bit?
Show them videos of robbers taking a wallet, then shooting the victim dead.
"Experts" say to just do what they say and you MIGHT be ok........dont you wish you could fight back?
There are countless scenarios you can have them picture..... The videos show them that bad things happen ALL the time.
Im telling everyone.....the 2nd amendment argument falls on deaf ears.
We must make them value their loved ones lives enough to not let the government take away their only form of defense.
Let them know that its much easier to keep our rights than to regain our rights.
There is nothing better to convert an anti gunner than a good pistol whipping or rape. But video is the best we have to show them that.
Ive seen several antis change their minds completely after a traumatic event in their lives. We need to take the "mass shootings" and "its for the kids" out of the conversation and make it about personal freedoms and self defense.
Youre not gonna care much about mass shootings while youre being raped!!

In principle I agree, but there are way too many soy boy Sally short skirts in this world that can't handle lifting a finger in their own defense. The same dipshits crying to defund the police would piss themselves in the first 12 seconds of a home invasion .

 

[livingston]

Biden Administration Outlines Six Executive Actions They Will Initiate for Unilateral Gun Control Efforts Without Legislative Branch - The Last Refuge

The White House has released some details of the six executive actions the JoeBama team has put together for Joe Biden to sign. (1) The Justice Department, within 30 days, will issue a proposed rule to help stop the proliferation of “ghost guns.” We are experiencing a growing problem: criminals...

theconservativetreehouse.com

 

[Acer-m14]

I agree
I talk to anti gunners quite often......I love debating them, the facts are never on their side.
But........one huge mistake we have been making for years is trying to reason with anti gunners with logic. We need to stop with the "its our right" and the second amendment thing.....it doesnt work.....they dont care.
Ive found the best way to reach them is through fear.
I know that sounds terrible but im telling you it works.
Create a scenario where they can picture it in their mind.
A good start is to show them video of actual self defense situations.
Then make them put themselves or their loved ones in those situations.
Two guys kick in your door, they have guns, they take your 15 year old daughter into the basement.......dont you wish you had a gun to even the odds a bit?
Show them videos of robbers taking a wallet, then shooting the victim dead.
"Experts" say to just do what they say and you MIGHT be ok........dont you wish you could fight back?
There are countless scenarios you can have them picture..... The videos show them that bad things happen ALL the time.
Im telling everyone.....the 2nd amendment argument falls on deaf ears.
We must make them value their loved ones lives enough to not let the government take away their only form of defense.
Let them know that its much easier to keep our rights than to regain our rights.
There is nothing better to convert an anti gunner than a good pistol whipping or rape. But video is the best we have to show them that.
Ive seen several antis change their minds completely after a traumatic event in their lives. We need to take the "mass shootings" and "its for the kids" out of the conversation and make it about personal freedoms and self defense.
Youre not gonna care much about mass shootings while youre being raped!!

was done in 2013 and it just falls on deaf ears and there fking blind too .. need to ban private armed security for them to SEE IT!!

 

[Bigfoot]

Today is the day.

May Fuck You Joe Biden have a terribly horrendous horribly awful day.

With any luck, Fuck You Joe Biden will fall up the stairs again.

FUJB

I L L E G I T I M A T E

 

[Bigfoot]

This isn't gun control, it's people control.

But y'all already knew that... Just sayin'

 

[Cavalry]

This means nothing and proves nothing
I have a printer, a full machine shop and a internet connection. Anything I want I can make. Are they going to make shit "more illegal"?

 

[Grimscale]

It was my understanding that Americans were able to build firearms for themselves, for lawful purposes, and were not required to serialize them.
Was this ever codified anywhere, or was it a "rule of thumb" that, until now, was just ignored?

While this question is technically moot, since the .gov will never know what we do unless some occurrence happens to bring it to light, it is still worth asking.

Oh, and since Xiden and the Ho are not kings, fuck 'em. Whatever bullshit they spew from their mouths is going to be completely ignored by me.

The .gov works for The People. Per Dementia Joe "I don't work for you" means he doesn't work. Period.

 

[spat]

In principle I agree, but there are way too many soy boy Sally short skirts in this world that can't handle lifting a finger in their own defense. The same dipshits crying to defund the police would piss themselves in the first 12 seconds of a home invasion .

That's actually why they want us disarmed.

They can't stand it that there are people out here who can defend themselves.

It's the same jealousy that drives everything the left does.

"someone does something better than me, they must be punished until they're just as bad as I am, because equality".

It literally drives *everything* they do. Every idiotic policy they push, every stupid slogan they shout, they are all rooted in that deep seated jealousy of anyone who's better at anything.

 

[Criticalt]

was done in 2013 and it just falls on deaf ears and there fking blind too .. need to ban private armed security for them to SEE IT!!

I find the "fear" method I talked about to work FAR better than the "its our rights" method.
Its very difficult to get through to an anti gunner but the fear method works great on "im not sure" people or the indifferent people.
An anecdotal story......
A couple years ago a liberal/hipster couple bought the Amish farm down the road from us.
I got to talking to them and after giving them some country living advice, they bought a 12 gauge shotgun. They were not anti gun per se, they were pretty much indifferent about guns. I literally saw the lightbulb go off in both of their heads when they realized country life and city life were COMPLETELY different.
They now both have their unrestricted NY permits.....although neither carries in public as far as I know. I hear range practice at least once a week coming from their property.
They were easy to convert, anti gunners are harder but having them picture real life threats still works better than the 2A argument.
But, my favorite way to handle strict anti gunners is the "come take them!" approach....... we will never change their minds.......until a horrible event happens in their lives....I just hope that isnt too late for them.

 

[fresch]

Joe pop off two shotgun blasts from the porch bidong said this is how we scare off bad people. Or do like the smartest cheese smoking drug energy consultant and have your handgun in your truck, where it could be thrown into a dumpster.

 

[MothMan]

Could be that Xiden is not seeing the changing demographics.

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf

 

[dsdmmat]

The 2A protects all arms, even the components to make the Arms and to fire (make use of them) them.

 

[fresch]

Arms= everything.

 

[dsdmmat]

The 2A protects all arms, even the components to make the Arms and to fire them.

I find the "fear" method I talked about to work FAR better than the "its our rights" method.
Its very difficult to get through to an anti gunner but the fear method works great on "im not sure" people or the indifferent people.
An anecdotal story......
A couple years ago a liberal/hipster couple bought the Amish farm down the road from us.
I got to talking to them and after giving them some country living advice, they bought a 12 gauge shotgun. They were not anti gun per se, they were pretty much indifferent about guns. I literally saw the lightbulb go off in both of their heads when they realized country life and city life were COMPLETELY different.
They now both have their unrestricted NY permits.....although neither carries in public as far as I know. I hear range practice at least once a week coming from their property.
They were easy to convert, anti gunners are harder but having them picture real life threats still works better than the 2A argument.
But, my favorite way to handle strict anti gunners is the "come take them!" approach....... we will never change their minds.......until a horrible event happens in their lives....I just hope that isnt too late for them.

most people need a significant emotional event to change their opinions and beliefs.

 

[Jmac00]

Pro-gun people are losing the CULTURAL WAR on firearms, for the last 30 years our children have been taught that guns are bad. THAT narrative must change.

Criticult is correct, Education is the key, WE the pro-gun group must re-educate the anti-gun crowd.

 

[Phazer]

Can a presidential executive order create a policy with criminal penalties for United States citizens?

Executive orders can certainly direct agencies under the executive branch to enact policies. How far can those agencies go to create rules (i.e. defacto laws without legislative approval) that have serious ramifications for the American citizenry?

 

[livingston]

Can a presidential executive order create a policy with criminal penalties for United States citizens?

Executive orders can certainly direct agencies under the executive branch to enact policies. How far can those agencies go to create rules (i.e. defacto laws without legislative approval) that have serious ramifications for the American citizenry?

We are living in a new world ... They will do anything they want.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Ever notice when progressives and liberal democrats talk about gun control they fail to talk about Chicago/NYC and the demographics of crime and who's the victim and who's pulling the trigger? The way they misuse statistics you'd think South Chicago was populated by rich NRA billionaires. Apparently mentioning the truth is a racist notion.

 

[spat]

Can a presidential executive order create a policy with criminal penalties for United States citizens?

Executive orders can certainly direct agencies under the executive branch to enact policies. How far can those agencies go to create rules (i.e. defacto laws without legislative approval) that have serious ramifications for the American citizenry?

He isn’t creating a new crime.

He'll just expand the definition of an existing one.

He'll just tell the ATF "that stuff you didn't used to think was finished enough to be a gun, rethink that a bit".

 

[dsdmmat]

If you don’t have all the 80% receivers you need. You are already behind the curve.

 

[SomeSoldier]

That's what they're seeking to change. As of right now an 80% frame is just a block of materiel because that's what the ATF regulations state. The 2A doesn't apply until it's a functional firearm. So no, an 80% has nothing to do with the 2A technically any more than regular parts like stocks, barrels, handguards etc. But that doesn't mean they won't go after them. Even though they're essentially NEVER used in commission of crimes.

Can a block of metal be used as a weapon? If so then its protected.

 

[gunpoliticsny]

Stefanik statement on President Biden's gun control orders.

 

[gunpoliticsny]

Maloney Praises Biden-Harris Executive Actions on Gun Safety.

 

[GOYABEAN]

 

[Celt]

May everyone who supports gun control be victimized in a way that makes them see the error of their ways.

 

[pshift]

Sounds like more 2A Sanctuary Counties are in the offering since this is a *&^%show.

 

[Cooolone]

Well that didn't take long ...

NO they're not after your guns! Woop, yeah ok!

 

[libertysnake]

Sounds like more 2A Sanctuary Counties are in the offering since this is a *&^%show.

The problem with sanctuaries is they only limit the ability of the local and maybe state police to help the feds or state enforce unconstitutional policy. It doesn't stop the feds from enforcing it, unless the policy (and I have not seen any state this) that federal enforcement is also banned.

 

[Cooolone]

Policy won't work, it requires LAW enacted by the LEGISLATURE! (Sanctuary Locations)

And quite frankly, so does his edicts! It won't stand scrutiny... We are NOT (yet) subjects, but still citizens to my knowledge. And as gleefully as the snowflakes might be rejoicing right now, they're going to be sad real soon.

Anyways... I do wonder what's in the water or what's with the news media because of all the incidents and focus lately on shootings. How is it for the last 4 years this was pretty quite. Then you get a moron like this in office and it's all in your face!

And still the narrative is absent... The demographics involved with the highest proportions of these shootings. Places like Chicago, LA, Baltimore, etc., all being forgotten about when the discussion takes place.

Anyways...

Horse is out of the barn and it's dead! But there's some scary stuff in this announcement, Federal Red Flag Laws? Wow! Fuck RIGHTS..., The Federal Govt is here to protect you! Lmfao