Thanks a lot man
Bill to ban bump stocks and binary triggers introduced
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Patriot
.308 Win
You’re a better man than me @GOPerfect. And I’m not being sarcastic or taking shots. I’m being genuine. I hope you have more patience than I do, but I’m just not going to entertain someone’s agenda.
I just hope I’m wrong and you don’t get burned.
I don't have an agenda. Just an interest in a community I don't really know much about.
Nope, I am NOT a patient kind of guy. I think it is just as odd as the next guy in regards to his first post. New members are always welcome here, we all welcome new guys as they come. I will not entertain an agenda either. Time will tell
Patriot
.308 Win
Okay. Perhaps I’m wrong, although I don’t think I am. I’m just going to sit this One out then.
Same here.
ManrisFrack
6.5 Creedmoor
First, we've had people come to this and other forums that had agendas unfriendly to our views (speaking in general terms of course).
Second, gun owners in NY have had freedoms that the majority of the country still enjoys, stripped from us. We feel (many would argue, are) persecuted.
This doesn't make rudeness toward FNGs right, but that's where we're coming from.
So welcome and don't take us assholes personally. If you're ever out toward Rochester and want to shoot, give me a PM.
Second, gun owners in NY have had freedoms that the majority of the country still enjoys, stripped from us. We feel (many would argue, are) persecuted.
This doesn't make rudeness toward FNGs right, but that's where we're coming from.
So welcome and don't take us assholes personally. If you're ever out toward Rochester and want to shoot, give me a PM.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
We are all bad asses around here! when I say bad I mean horrible asses! lol
The slam-fire is a stupid idea that caught a lot of attention because it gives the impression one is firing a machine gun.
But the system is subjective to your trigger/sear situation and will not be precise as one is not in control of the firearm.
So it is a gimmick that is useless and attractive to those who do not care about the cost of ammo.
Perhaps a fun thing to do once to get some jiggles and nothing else. It is totally ineffective and quite confusing
for those who do not understand how firearms work and how this is pretty much useless regardless of tactics.
The even sell cam systems you can attach to your electric drill to actuate the trigger in fast action.
Another device that is a gimmick and useless in nature.
This forum is fun so welcome. This forum is not so much about firearms although you might learn a few things here
and there. I think it is more like 30% firearms and 70% 2AM Irish bar/politics but in online version. LOL
Good fun to hang out anyway.
4excal
.338 Win Mag
If it's gonna be something to appease the Left, I guess I can deal with that one.
Husk, here are some thoughts -
This ban is blaming and penalizing innocent gun owners, yet again, for the actions of a single deranged person. These kinds of devices have been around for decades but were never used in a crime like this. There's no evidence to show they would be used again. It's all pure speculation. Also, as mentioned elsewhere, the inherent lack of accuracy caused by these kinds of trigger devices probably saved lives this time.
This ban would not be a buyback at market value. The government would be stealing millions of dollars worth of merchandise from law-abiding good people, by making the value of the devices $0. Some of these devices are expensive. AR triggers can be $400. A crankfire for a 50BMG was close to $2,000 last I looked.
It's another hit to small businesses in America. Many inventors and manufacturers of these novelty devices would be out of business, as would be their employees.
The call to ban these devices is being made while people are vulnerable with sadness and fear. It's a fact that the politicians who push these bans rely on these high emotions. "Never let a good tragedy go to waste" is their motto.
Nothing is to be gained by the banning of these devices, yet much will be lost. It's as if that sick bastard gets to hit America one last time, from the grave - through the greedy self-important politicians who have to have a personal "victory". Maybe that's why he bought and put so many weapons on display. He didn't need or use them, but he seeded the ground for a final Fuck You.
I was surprised and saddened by the shooting in Vegas. I spent a lot of time staring at photos, watching videos, and trying to make heads or tails out of a sloppy news feed that could be best described as a feeding frenzy. I still don't understand why this happened. Nobody does! But, now it's suggested we blindly enact new Federal law to remove more freedoms from Americans, just to say we "did something". Isn't there anything else arbitrary we could do other than turn hundreds of thousands of innocent Americans into Felons?
This ban is blaming and penalizing innocent gun owners, yet again, for the actions of a single deranged person. These kinds of devices have been around for decades but were never used in a crime like this. There's no evidence to show they would be used again. It's all pure speculation. Also, as mentioned elsewhere, the inherent lack of accuracy caused by these kinds of trigger devices probably saved lives this time.
This ban would not be a buyback at market value. The government would be stealing millions of dollars worth of merchandise from law-abiding good people, by making the value of the devices $0. Some of these devices are expensive. AR triggers can be $400. A crankfire for a 50BMG was close to $2,000 last I looked.
It's another hit to small businesses in America. Many inventors and manufacturers of these novelty devices would be out of business, as would be their employees.
The call to ban these devices is being made while people are vulnerable with sadness and fear. It's a fact that the politicians who push these bans rely on these high emotions. "Never let a good tragedy go to waste" is their motto.
Nothing is to be gained by the banning of these devices, yet much will be lost. It's as if that sick bastard gets to hit America one last time, from the grave - through the greedy self-important politicians who have to have a personal "victory". Maybe that's why he bought and put so many weapons on display. He didn't need or use them, but he seeded the ground for a final Fuck You.
I was surprised and saddened by the shooting in Vegas. I spent a lot of time staring at photos, watching videos, and trying to make heads or tails out of a sloppy news feed that could be best described as a feeding frenzy. I still don't understand why this happened. Nobody does! But, now it's suggested we blindly enact new Federal law to remove more freedoms from Americans, just to say we "did something". Isn't there anything else arbitrary we could do other than turn hundreds of thousands of innocent Americans into Felons?
Maybe simplifying it will be easier to digest for the uninformed.
A bump fire stock is the equivalent of having a spoiler on a car....does it make it more responsive?...YES....does it make you a better driver? NO.
The real issue here, are the knee jerk reactions and feel good proposals to ban/outlaw features that give the appearance to one's constituents that they are protected and something is being done.
In the most gun regulated states and cities, why is there higher crime commited with such "illegal" firearms? As said countless times by people with clarity....Criminals do not care about laws!! Those laws are all knee jerk reactions but do nothing to create the desired result...sometimes even making the problems worse...ie, black markets, street creds etc...
All those feel good regulations do is put more and more restrictions on people like us, responsible law abiding firearms owners/enthusiasts who happen to be the most courteous, honorable group of individuals out there.
History has shown us time and time again, what deranged, evil, agenda driven humans are capable of....its not the guns that did this....let us be very clear on that. It appears that this country has already forgotten the lessons of 9/11.... a prime example of what I am trying to say here. A very sad state of affairs we are in.
A bump fire stock is the equivalent of having a spoiler on a car....does it make it more responsive?...YES....does it make you a better driver? NO.
The real issue here, are the knee jerk reactions and feel good proposals to ban/outlaw features that give the appearance to one's constituents that they are protected and something is being done.
In the most gun regulated states and cities, why is there higher crime commited with such "illegal" firearms? As said countless times by people with clarity....Criminals do not care about laws!! Those laws are all knee jerk reactions but do nothing to create the desired result...sometimes even making the problems worse...ie, black markets, street creds etc...
All those feel good regulations do is put more and more restrictions on people like us, responsible law abiding firearms owners/enthusiasts who happen to be the most courteous, honorable group of individuals out there.
History has shown us time and time again, what deranged, evil, agenda driven humans are capable of....its not the guns that did this....let us be very clear on that. It appears that this country has already forgotten the lessons of 9/11.... a prime example of what I am trying to say here. A very sad state of affairs we are in.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
you should feel very safe around us, specially in large gatherings in person.
you know, like the glock commercial.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Those things sure overrated. Your finger can fire fast enough.
Cureforcancer
.223 Rem
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Of course it's faster but it's a waste of ammo. You can be just as effective with your finger if you are suppressing an enemy.
It's enough.
Cureforcancer
.223 Rem
I will be honest. I have used mine only twice. Both times 180 rds only each time @ .28 cents a round.
Expensive yes for my budget.
But the smile in one's face after is priceless. The true function of this trigger at least for me.
Besides she still runs excellent on semi with a crisp trigger.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
to what he said....
Folks, whether @Husk is an SJW mole or just someone honestly looking for perspective doesn't matter. In fact if there is an ulterior motive then all the more reason to put our best face on and explain our postion rationaly. Appearing rabidly paranoid will only hurt us.
Now, @Husk, please understand that after SAFE Act was passed the gun owners of New York Sate have been on edge, really on edge. Unfortunately things have degraded to a point of just waiting for the next big round of legislation stripping us of even more of our rights. Its living in fear and that is not pleasant. it can make people seem unfriendly and paranoid. Don't take ot personally. If you are genuine in your stated intent the best thing you can do is stick around and join in on conversations, find a way to get to a range and do some shooting. The very best way to understand the tens of millions strong gun community is to simply do some shooting. Its really, really fun! You'll understand better afterward.
As for bumpfire stocks, as others have said they are a cheap novlety, a back of the magazine add kind of thing. They preclude accurate aimed fire and if these stocks are indeed what the Vegas coward used the only reason they were effective is because of the huge area of target it had. Bump fire can be done with nothing more than your finger alone or with a variety of homemade contrivances to assist. All it is keeping you finger or other device pressed back against the trigger. The recoil brings the gun back, off the trigger and after that recoil impulse is completed if forward pressure on the firearm has been maintained the gun will return to its original position forward which depresses the trigger again and the cycle is repeated in rapid sequence. All bump fire stocks do is make this process a little more convenient.
Now, @Husk, please understand that after SAFE Act was passed the gun owners of New York Sate have been on edge, really on edge. Unfortunately things have degraded to a point of just waiting for the next big round of legislation stripping us of even more of our rights. Its living in fear and that is not pleasant. it can make people seem unfriendly and paranoid. Don't take ot personally. If you are genuine in your stated intent the best thing you can do is stick around and join in on conversations, find a way to get to a range and do some shooting. The very best way to understand the tens of millions strong gun community is to simply do some shooting. Its really, really fun! You'll understand better afterward.
As for bumpfire stocks, as others have said they are a cheap novlety, a back of the magazine add kind of thing. They preclude accurate aimed fire and if these stocks are indeed what the Vegas coward used the only reason they were effective is because of the huge area of target it had. Bump fire can be done with nothing more than your finger alone or with a variety of homemade contrivances to assist. All it is keeping you finger or other device pressed back against the trigger. The recoil brings the gun back, off the trigger and after that recoil impulse is completed if forward pressure on the firearm has been maintained the gun will return to its original position forward which depresses the trigger again and the cycle is repeated in rapid sequence. All bump fire stocks do is make this process a little more convenient.
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Patriot
.308 Win
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Of course they are.
RBean
.40 S&W
Ok, so they want to outlaw "bump stocks". I tried one a friend had. Have to hold gun loose. It works but no accuracy. (unless you are shooting at a group of 22,000 people). But if you are going to do it, get something in return for it, like the suppressor bill and national cc reciprocity. Don't give something up without getting something in return.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
If they ban an over priced piece of plastic, nobody will ever be able to shoot anything fast ever again.
Oops!
Oops!
They are legal.
When I want to fuck around like that with my (hypothetical) AR, I just use the belt loop trick.
Too expensive to just waste ammo.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
agree ... throw them a bone . This fellow could have sat up there with a couple of bolt actions and he could have achieved the same kill rate ...Something the left cannot comprehend ...If it's gonna be something to appease the Left, I guess I can deal with that one.
I have one I made. No way was I paying 300 for a slidefire. Haven't used it yet, I feel no need to waste ammo. Don't worry, if they ban them I will throw it out and just use my finger.
Never saw the point. I don’t want to see any more gun laws, but if this shuts them the hell up after Vegas, it’s a non-price to pay.
It won't. And any loss is a steep price to pay. Whether you like the item or not.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Unfortunately the draft language being shown around is not narrow / specific and could potentially impact trigger jobs that improve pull weights, resets, take up, grittiness, as well as improved replacement triggers.