Bipartisan Gun Deal Reached
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Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
so the fuckes want all the agency's to help with NICS but refuse to help ICE .. veto it TRUMP ..
Bozo
.45 acp
A federal agency fails to follow existing law, so we'll create another one.
Derpity derp derp...
Here's a thought - how about we agree that a fuckwit that cracks an infant's skull (Texas) and a fuckwit that stabs a woman (Cali) deserve the same sentence - life w/no parole. One strike and you're out, forever. That would have prevented the last two mass shootings. Personally, I'd prefer to see a long drop and a short rope, but I'm willing to compromise.
Watch out for amendments on this one. They will try to tag all sorts of additional restrictions onto this one.
Derpity derp derp...
Here's a thought - how about we agree that a fuckwit that cracks an infant's skull (Texas) and a fuckwit that stabs a woman (Cali) deserve the same sentence - life w/no parole. One strike and you're out, forever. That would have prevented the last two mass shootings. Personally, I'd prefer to see a long drop and a short rope, but I'm willing to compromise.
Watch out for amendments on this one. They will try to tag all sorts of additional restrictions onto this one.
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
Great more pork bills spending and taxation 
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Senator Murphy added. “It represents the strongest update to the background checks system in a decade, and provides the foundation for MORE COMPROMISE in the future.” Sounds like the SOB is flat out claiming this to be a good start at a slippery slope. Also, when the term "strong bi-partison" is thrown out but lists 1 repubican, I vomit in my mouth. Then there is the horseshit of giving incentives (DC code for more of your and my money) to screwed up agencies to comply with already existing laws. All I smell is rotting foul septic swamp gas
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
What I'd like to know is, what efforts will be made to make sure false reporting does not occur? Are there no consequences for that?
I wouldn't be surprised if people start getting reported under this act "just in case," so the agency covers its ass and wrong the individual rather than the government.
I wouldn't be surprised if people start getting reported under this act "just in case," so the agency covers its ass and wrong the individual rather than the government.
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So if I get shoot by a prohibited Asshole and it turns out some forgot to notify NICS do I now have the right tosue the fuck out of them?
Mike1Juliet
9mm
I highly doubt this will actually do anything. If anything it's just feel good shit and it will only open more avenues for other feel good shit. With the last 2 mass shootings being at the fault of the fucking system as a whole, who watches the watchers?
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
Well afaik it doesn't really change when reporting is required. So if an agency was reporting as required, this should make basically no difference to them, yes?
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
most smaller communities don't have the resources to drop everything to report every domestic dispute. this is just another 'compromise' in the 2A take over
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
Every time some whakos shoot a bunch of people, we have to surrender more rights. First is was Black Panthers, exercising their 2nd amendment rights and the "media' and friends did everything they could do to terrorize white middle class women and men that those big black people are coming with guns.
Here is a little history. Now please remember the reasoning behind these gun control laws up until recently have all been rooted in not allowing blacks to have guns.
1791
The Bill of Rights, including the Second Amendment -- "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." gains final ratification.
1837
Georgia passes a law banning handguns. The law is ruled unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court and is thrown out.
1865
In a reaction to emancipation, several southern states adopt "black codes" which, among other things, forbid black persons from possessing firearms.
1871
The National Rifle Association (NRA) created by 2 Union Soldiers because the southerners knew how to shoot and the northers didn't so they had a goal of improving American civilians' marksmanship in preparation for war.
1911 - the Sullivan law for New Yorkers.
1927
The U.S. Congress passes a law banning the mailing of concealable weapons.
1934
The National Firearms Act of 1934, regulating the manufacture, sale and possession sub-machine guns is approved by Congress.
1938
The Federal Firearms Act of 1938 places the first limitations on selling ordinary firearms. Persons selling guns are required to obtain a Federal Firearms License, at an annual cost of $1, and to maintain records of the name and address of persons to whom firearms are sold. Gun sales to persons convicted of violent felonies were prohibited.
1968 - after assassination and race riots.
The Gun Control Act of 1968 - was enacted for the purpose of “keeping firearms out of the hands of those not legally entitled to possess them because of age, criminal background, or incompetence.” T
1972
The federal Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) is created listing as part of its mission the control of illegal use and sale of firearms and the enforcement of Federal firearms laws. ATF issues firearms licenses and conducts firearms licensee qualification and compliance inspections.
1977
The District of Columbia enacts an anti-handgun law which also requires registration of all rifles and shotguns within the District of Columbia.
1986
The Armed Career Criminal Act increases penalties for possession of firearms by persons not qualified to own them under the Gun Control Act of 1986.
The Firearms Owners Protection Act (Public Law 99-308) relaxes some restrictions on gun and ammunition sales and establishes mandatory penalties for use of firearms during the commission of a crime.
The Law Enforcement Officers Protection Act (Public Law 99-408) bans possession of "cop killer" bullets capable of penetrating bulletproof clothing.
1989
California bans the possession of semiautomatic assault weapons following the massacre of five children on a Stockton, CA school playground.
1990
The Crime Control Act of 1990 (Public Law 101-647) bans manufacturing and importing semiautomatic assault weapons in the U.S. "Gun-free school zones" are established carrying specific penalties for violations.
1994 – THE BRADY LAW AND ASSAULT WEAPON BAN
The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act imposes a five-day waiting period on the purchase of a handgun and requires that local law enforcement agencies conduct background checks on purchasers of handguns and the AWB
However, the Assault Weapons Ban law expired on September 13, 2004, after Congress failed to reauthorize it.
1997
The U.S. Supreme Court, in the case of Printz v. United States, declares the background check requirement of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act unconstitutional.
The Florida Supreme Court upholds a jury's $11.5 million verdict against Kmart for selling a gun to and intoxicated man who used the gun to shoot his estranged girlfriend.
Major American gun manufacturers voluntarily agree to include child safety trigger devices on all new handguns.
1998 - JUNE
A Justice Department report indicates the blocking of some 69,000 handgun sales during 1977 when the Brady Bill pre-sale background checks were required.
1998 – JULY
An amendment requiring a trigger lock mechanism to be included with every handgun sold in the U.S. is defeated in the Senate.
1998 - NOVEMBER 30
Permanent provisions of the Brady Act go into effect. Gun dealers are now required to initiate a pre-sale criminal background check of all gun buyers through the newly created National Instant Criminal Background Check (NICS) computer system.
1998 - DECEMBER 1
The NRA files suit in federal court attempting to block the FBI's collection of information on firearm buyers.
1998 - DECEMBER 5
President Bill Clinton announces that the instant background check system had prevented 400,000 illegal gun purchases. The claim is called "misleading" by the NRA.
1999 – JANUARY
Civil suits against gun makers seeking to recover costs of gun-related violence are filed in Bridgeport, Connecticut and Miami-Dade County, Florida.
1999 – APRIL 20
At Columbine High School near Denver, students Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold shoot and kill 12 other students and a teacher, and wounding 24 others before killing themselves. The attack renewed debate on the need for more restrictive gun control laws.
1999 - MAY 20
By a 51-50 vote, with the tie-breaker vote cast by Vice President Al Gore, the U.S. Senate passes a bill requiring trigger locks on all newly manufactured handguns and extending waiting period and background check requirements to sales of firearms at gun shows.
1999 - AUGUST 24
The Los Angeles County, CA Board of Supervisors votes 3 - 2 to ban the Great Western Gun Show, billed as the "world's largest gun show" from the Pomona, CA fairgrounds where the show had been held for the last 30 years.
2004 – SEPTEMBER 13
After lengthy and heated debate, Congress allows the 10-year old Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 banning the sale of 19 types of military-style assault weapons to expire.
2004 – DECEMBER
Congress fails to continue funding for President George W. Bush’s 2001 gun control program, Project Safe Neighborhoods.
Massachusetts becomes the first state to implement an electronic instant gun buyer background check system with fingerprint scanning for gun licenses and gun purchases.
2005 – JANUARY
California bans the manufacture, sale, distribution or import of the powerful .50-caliber BMG, or Browning machine gun rifle.
2005 – OCTOBER
President Bush signs the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act limiting the ability of victims of crimes in which guns were used to sue firearms manufacturers and dealers. The law included an amendment requiring all new guns to come with trigger locks.
2008 – JANUARY
In a move supported by both opponents and advocates of gun control laws, President Bush signed the National Instant Criminal Background Check Improvement Actrequiring gun buyer background checks to screen for legally declared mentally ill individuals, who are ineligible to buy firearms.
2008 – JUNE 26
In its landmark decision in the case of District of Columbia v. Heller, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment affirmed the rights of individuals to own firearms. The ruling also overturned a 32-year old ban on the sale or possession of handguns in the District of Columbia.
2010 – FEBRUARY
A federal law signed by President Barak Obama takes effect allowing licensed gun owners to bring firearms into national parks and wildlife refuges as long as they are allowed by state law.
2015 – JULY 29
In an effort to close the so-called “gun show loophole” allowing gun sales conducted without Brady Act background checks, U.S. Rep. Speier, Jackie (D-California) introduced the Fix Gun Checks Act of 2015 (H.R. 3411), to require background checks for all gun sales including sales made over the Internet and at gun shows.
2016 - JUNE 12
President Obama again called on Congress to enact or renew a law prohibiting the sale and possession of assault-style weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines after a man identified as Omar Mateen killed 49 people in an Orlando, Florida gay nightclub on June 12, using an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle. In a call to 911 he made during the attack, Mateen told police he had pledged his allegiance to the radical Islamic terrorist group ISIS.
2017 – SEPTEMBER
In September 2017, a bill titled “Sportsmen Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act,” or SHARE Act (H.R. 2406) advanced to the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives. While the main purpose of the bill is to expand access to public land for, hunting, fishing, and recreational shooting, a provision added by Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-South Carolina) called The Hearing Protection Act would reduce the current federal restrictions on purchasing firearm silencers, or suppressors.
2017 – OCTOBER 1
On October 1, 2017, Stephen Craig Paddock opened fire on an outdoor music festival in Las Vegas.
In the aftermath of the incident, lawmakers on both sides of the isle have called for laws specifically banning bump stocks, while others have also called for renewal of the assault weapons ban.
2017 – OCTOBER 4
Less than a week after the Las Vegas shooting, U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-California) introduced the “Automatic Gunfire Prevention Act” that would ban the sale and possession of bump stocks and other devices that essentially turn a semiautomatic weapon to fire in fully-automatic mode.
2017 – OCTOBER 5
U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-California) introduced the Background Check Completion Act Sen. Feinstein said would close a current loophole in the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act that allows gun sales to proceed if a background check is not completed after 72 hours, even if the gun buyer is not legally allowed to purchase a gun.
“Current law allows gun sales to proceed after 72 hours — even if background checks aren’t approved.
I say NO MORE!
Here is a little history. Now please remember the reasoning behind these gun control laws up until recently have all been rooted in not allowing blacks to have guns.
1791
The Bill of Rights, including the Second Amendment -- "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." gains final ratification.
1837
Georgia passes a law banning handguns. The law is ruled unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court and is thrown out.
1865
In a reaction to emancipation, several southern states adopt "black codes" which, among other things, forbid black persons from possessing firearms.
1871
The National Rifle Association (NRA) created by 2 Union Soldiers because the southerners knew how to shoot and the northers didn't so they had a goal of improving American civilians' marksmanship in preparation for war.
1911 - the Sullivan law for New Yorkers.
1927
The U.S. Congress passes a law banning the mailing of concealable weapons.
1934
The National Firearms Act of 1934, regulating the manufacture, sale and possession sub-machine guns is approved by Congress.
1938
The Federal Firearms Act of 1938 places the first limitations on selling ordinary firearms. Persons selling guns are required to obtain a Federal Firearms License, at an annual cost of $1, and to maintain records of the name and address of persons to whom firearms are sold. Gun sales to persons convicted of violent felonies were prohibited.
1968 - after assassination and race riots.
The Gun Control Act of 1968 - was enacted for the purpose of “keeping firearms out of the hands of those not legally entitled to possess them because of age, criminal background, or incompetence.” T
1972
The federal Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) is created listing as part of its mission the control of illegal use and sale of firearms and the enforcement of Federal firearms laws. ATF issues firearms licenses and conducts firearms licensee qualification and compliance inspections.
1977
The District of Columbia enacts an anti-handgun law which also requires registration of all rifles and shotguns within the District of Columbia.
1986
The Armed Career Criminal Act increases penalties for possession of firearms by persons not qualified to own them under the Gun Control Act of 1986.
The Firearms Owners Protection Act (Public Law 99-308) relaxes some restrictions on gun and ammunition sales and establishes mandatory penalties for use of firearms during the commission of a crime.
The Law Enforcement Officers Protection Act (Public Law 99-408) bans possession of "cop killer" bullets capable of penetrating bulletproof clothing.
1989
California bans the possession of semiautomatic assault weapons following the massacre of five children on a Stockton, CA school playground.
1990
The Crime Control Act of 1990 (Public Law 101-647) bans manufacturing and importing semiautomatic assault weapons in the U.S. "Gun-free school zones" are established carrying specific penalties for violations.
1994 – THE BRADY LAW AND ASSAULT WEAPON BAN
The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act imposes a five-day waiting period on the purchase of a handgun and requires that local law enforcement agencies conduct background checks on purchasers of handguns and the AWB
However, the Assault Weapons Ban law expired on September 13, 2004, after Congress failed to reauthorize it.
1997
The U.S. Supreme Court, in the case of Printz v. United States, declares the background check requirement of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act unconstitutional.
The Florida Supreme Court upholds a jury's $11.5 million verdict against Kmart for selling a gun to and intoxicated man who used the gun to shoot his estranged girlfriend.
Major American gun manufacturers voluntarily agree to include child safety trigger devices on all new handguns.
1998 - JUNE
A Justice Department report indicates the blocking of some 69,000 handgun sales during 1977 when the Brady Bill pre-sale background checks were required.
1998 – JULY
An amendment requiring a trigger lock mechanism to be included with every handgun sold in the U.S. is defeated in the Senate.
1998 - NOVEMBER 30
Permanent provisions of the Brady Act go into effect. Gun dealers are now required to initiate a pre-sale criminal background check of all gun buyers through the newly created National Instant Criminal Background Check (NICS) computer system.
1998 - DECEMBER 1
The NRA files suit in federal court attempting to block the FBI's collection of information on firearm buyers.
1998 - DECEMBER 5
President Bill Clinton announces that the instant background check system had prevented 400,000 illegal gun purchases. The claim is called "misleading" by the NRA.
1999 – JANUARY
Civil suits against gun makers seeking to recover costs of gun-related violence are filed in Bridgeport, Connecticut and Miami-Dade County, Florida.
1999 – APRIL 20
At Columbine High School near Denver, students Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold shoot and kill 12 other students and a teacher, and wounding 24 others before killing themselves. The attack renewed debate on the need for more restrictive gun control laws.
1999 - MAY 20
By a 51-50 vote, with the tie-breaker vote cast by Vice President Al Gore, the U.S. Senate passes a bill requiring trigger locks on all newly manufactured handguns and extending waiting period and background check requirements to sales of firearms at gun shows.
1999 - AUGUST 24
The Los Angeles County, CA Board of Supervisors votes 3 - 2 to ban the Great Western Gun Show, billed as the "world's largest gun show" from the Pomona, CA fairgrounds where the show had been held for the last 30 years.
2004 – SEPTEMBER 13
After lengthy and heated debate, Congress allows the 10-year old Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 banning the sale of 19 types of military-style assault weapons to expire.
2004 – DECEMBER
Congress fails to continue funding for President George W. Bush’s 2001 gun control program, Project Safe Neighborhoods.
Massachusetts becomes the first state to implement an electronic instant gun buyer background check system with fingerprint scanning for gun licenses and gun purchases.
2005 – JANUARY
California bans the manufacture, sale, distribution or import of the powerful .50-caliber BMG, or Browning machine gun rifle.
2005 – OCTOBER
President Bush signs the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act limiting the ability of victims of crimes in which guns were used to sue firearms manufacturers and dealers. The law included an amendment requiring all new guns to come with trigger locks.
2008 – JANUARY
In a move supported by both opponents and advocates of gun control laws, President Bush signed the National Instant Criminal Background Check Improvement Actrequiring gun buyer background checks to screen for legally declared mentally ill individuals, who are ineligible to buy firearms.
2008 – JUNE 26
In its landmark decision in the case of District of Columbia v. Heller, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment affirmed the rights of individuals to own firearms. The ruling also overturned a 32-year old ban on the sale or possession of handguns in the District of Columbia.
2010 – FEBRUARY
A federal law signed by President Barak Obama takes effect allowing licensed gun owners to bring firearms into national parks and wildlife refuges as long as they are allowed by state law.
2015 – JULY 29
In an effort to close the so-called “gun show loophole” allowing gun sales conducted without Brady Act background checks, U.S. Rep. Speier, Jackie (D-California) introduced the Fix Gun Checks Act of 2015 (H.R. 3411), to require background checks for all gun sales including sales made over the Internet and at gun shows.
2016 - JUNE 12
President Obama again called on Congress to enact or renew a law prohibiting the sale and possession of assault-style weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines after a man identified as Omar Mateen killed 49 people in an Orlando, Florida gay nightclub on June 12, using an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle. In a call to 911 he made during the attack, Mateen told police he had pledged his allegiance to the radical Islamic terrorist group ISIS.
2017 – SEPTEMBER
In September 2017, a bill titled “Sportsmen Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act,” or SHARE Act (H.R. 2406) advanced to the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives. While the main purpose of the bill is to expand access to public land for, hunting, fishing, and recreational shooting, a provision added by Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-South Carolina) called The Hearing Protection Act would reduce the current federal restrictions on purchasing firearm silencers, or suppressors.
2017 – OCTOBER 1
On October 1, 2017, Stephen Craig Paddock opened fire on an outdoor music festival in Las Vegas.
In the aftermath of the incident, lawmakers on both sides of the isle have called for laws specifically banning bump stocks, while others have also called for renewal of the assault weapons ban.
2017 – OCTOBER 4
Less than a week after the Las Vegas shooting, U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-California) introduced the “Automatic Gunfire Prevention Act” that would ban the sale and possession of bump stocks and other devices that essentially turn a semiautomatic weapon to fire in fully-automatic mode.
2017 – OCTOBER 5
U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-California) introduced the Background Check Completion Act Sen. Feinstein said would close a current loophole in the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act that allows gun sales to proceed if a background check is not completed after 72 hours, even if the gun buyer is not legally allowed to purchase a gun.
“Current law allows gun sales to proceed after 72 hours — even if background checks aren’t approved.
I say NO MORE!
The inherent problem with modern day government, they don't use their jobs to figure out how to simplify things or make our lives easier.
On the contrary.
They use their positions to continually complicate things, make new unnecessary laws and legislation and just in general screw things up solely for the fact that they can tell their voters "they did something"
They should just enforce laws already on the books, find a way to make the system work as intended and those who fail in their duties should be held accountable.
The legislators should be spending more time trying to figure out how to get rid of redundant laws, out dated laws, ineffective laws etc than making new laws.
It's just doing something to further complicate our lives and increase government control.
On the contrary.
They use their positions to continually complicate things, make new unnecessary laws and legislation and just in general screw things up solely for the fact that they can tell their voters "they did something"
They should just enforce laws already on the books, find a way to make the system work as intended and those who fail in their duties should be held accountable.
The legislators should be spending more time trying to figure out how to get rid of redundant laws, out dated laws, ineffective laws etc than making new laws.
It's just doing something to further complicate our lives and increase government control.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
It will pass there is no way it will not pass. If it doesn't we're dead. My only concern is NYs throwing a ammo background check as a piggy back. That would not surprise me.
Who needs ammo?? I melt my own lead for my musket balls. Even make my own black powder from an “ ancient Chinese recipe”
The only federal bi patrician bill I support is the one that removes all federal regulations and holds states accountable for denying people their 2nd Amendment rights
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
What I got from this bill's summary is: States and federal agencies should comply with existing federal laws.
Legislators know that no laws will stop criminals from acting criminally. So, legislators create verbiage that makes it appear that they are "doing something."
Here's the insidious part: Though this bill is fairly benign at face value, when it fails to do anything to protect anybody (which it will), subsequent "common sense" legislation will be much more far-reaching, intrusive, and egregious. After all, if one law doesn't work, pass more laws.
Legislators know that no laws will stop criminals from acting criminally. So, legislators create verbiage that makes it appear that they are "doing something."
Here's the insidious part: Though this bill is fairly benign at face value, when it fails to do anything to protect anybody (which it will), subsequent "common sense" legislation will be much more far-reaching, intrusive, and egregious. After all, if one law doesn't work, pass more laws.
GuyMontag
.44 mag
BOHICA
Drip....drip.....drip
Drip....drip.....drip
What is Bohica??
GuyMontag
.44 mag
It's that wonderful feeling you get just before the anal probe with 40 grit is applied.
So... Instead of just correcting the problems with the system, a whole new law, with a friendly name is needed.
C'mon, get your shit together!
C'mon, get your shit together!
reinhardt
.40 S&W
With regards to the Texas church shooting it appears that some person or persons in the Air Force screwed up. IF and I repeat IF, this fact is established after the investigation we should "out" those who are responsible. Plaster their names all over the media. Hound them, shame them as the incompetent assholes they are. All procedures for getting info to the FBI are in place already. No more laws. Do your damn job or face the consequences. I'm sick and tired of the excuse about systemic failures. If there are "systemic problems" then out the senior people who knew about or should have known about them. No more get out of jail free card. You screw up, you face consequences. Simple.
GuyMontag
.44 mag
We currently don't have laws on the books against murdering dozens of people at Church.
Sleep well America, your "leaders" are getting things done as usual.
Sleep well America, your "leaders" are getting things done as usual.
Um, no, not really. They really did not screw up. The UCMJ is very different than the laws of regular America
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
Right on! If they see that you have disposable income for something in particular, they TAX it or License it. (same thing really)
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
IE your Avitar: Vat ve have here Mine Fuhrer ist eina Church Shooting Law GAP! Love that movie.
ManrisFrack
6.5 Creedmoor
They already tried this: NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007
Evidently there was also a section that required the creation of a "relief from disabilities program" so that being adjudicated mentally defective wasn't necessarily a lifetime ban.
After SAFE NY is reporting hundreds of thousands of people. They aren't getting their due process before being declared a danger. The "process" to get their rights restored is arduous and poorly defined at best. NY is a prime example of how badly this incentivization of reporting can go.
Evidently there was also a section that required the creation of a "relief from disabilities program" so that being adjudicated mentally defective wasn't necessarily a lifetime ban.
After SAFE NY is reporting hundreds of thousands of people. They aren't getting their due process before being declared a danger. The "process" to get their rights restored is arduous and poorly defined at best. NY is a prime example of how badly this incentivization of reporting can go.
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
"And, thus unable to purchase a firearm at an FFL or gun store. " . Whoopie.......so they buy privately.....steal or get into the newly formed "black market" all and any of these type Bills will generate. Waste of time/material and energy
The government only has the power "we the people" give it.
Anyone signing on and supporting this nonsense should be called out and exposed, rode out of town on donkeys, tarred and feathered!
It worked in the old days... Would certainly work now, because after a few days of mineral spirit baths to get all that shit off, they'd never make that mistake again!
Anyone signing on and supporting this nonsense should be called out and exposed, rode out of town on donkeys, tarred and feathered!
It worked in the old days... Would certainly work now, because after a few days of mineral spirit baths to get all that shit off, they'd never make that mistake again!