Birthright Citizenship or Mutual Compact

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spat said:
But, the fact remains, being born here is all that is required to claim citizenship.

There are other ways to claim it, but that one is sufficient.

I really don't get where the whole "consent" thing comes from, this is something someone is actively claiming. Being born here *allows* you to claim US citizenship, it doesn't force it on you that you need to consent to it.

It's like the Rollercoaster that you need to be 48" or taller to ride. You don't consent to the 48" requirement. You either meet it or you don't. It's the ride operator that consents to you riding, and he will not consent if you are too short.

We have the naturalization process for people born elsewhere who *want* to be US citizens to prove that they have what it takes to be "one of us". But, if you're born here you get an automatic pass.


Now, you can argue against that, and I think a system were all citizenship must be earned is a great idea, but that's simply not what we have.
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Citizenship should be through direct birthright (ie. Your mother/father were US citizens at the time of your birth) or naturalization through meeting requirements. This "your parents were here illegally when you were born so you are a citizen" stuff needs to end.
 
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spat said:
In what way is someone more free without a birth certificate ?

Specifically, what can they do that the documented person cannot ?
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Once you have the number associated with your person the government owns you. You can't do anything without their permission, you can't run a lemon aid stand.
 
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spat said:
And if they don't have this number you can ?
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What are they going to do? I run my lemonade stand and they shut me down. They can't fine me, they can't give me a record. I don't exist according to the system.
 
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