Buffalo cop shoots & kills driver,- will there be undeserved riots?

[VietnamEraVet]

This could be something,- although it would seem to be stupid if it does. I expect that once the video is released there will be the usual screaming and wailing, followed by the usual lawsuits to enrich the dead perps family.

Read the article if you want to learn the details. I am still amazed the cop managed to shoot him 5 times while being dragged at 60MPH while hanging onto the car door.

https://www.wivb.com/news/crime/person-dead-after-officer-involved-shooting-in-buffalo/

 

[Saltwater60]

It’s been quiet around here about it so I don’t know. Of it’s what they say probably not and not much wiggle room on that.

 

[Zerex]

The angles involved, with an officer hanging off the car door, means that the perp may have been shot in the left eye, neck, left hip/balls, left leg, left shoulder/arm, and other bullets went thru the roof/windshield.

The one in his hip/balls got his attention

Verminicide.

Gun under the seat is sometimes hard to grab..............car door holsters are best, but car door was open........he waited too long.

 

[FRANKIE]

Clean shoot.
And one hell of lucky 6 year old

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

Heard on the radio the video was released....and shown to the "victim's" family. Haven't seen it yet. I'm sure they told police they'd have tried to "talk" him into stopping instead of using the sidearm.

 

[GOPerfect]

Daevon... All we need to know.

As for riots; these people will riot over anything at all. I put nothing past them.

Vile creatures.

 

[GOPerfect]

Heard on the radio the video was released....and shown to the "victim's" family. Haven't seen it yet. I'm sure they told police they'd have tried to "talk" him into stopping instead of using the sidearm.

I saw the video. Nothing to question with the actions of the officer.

 

[GOPerfect]

The longer version is a bit better

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[Carlos Hathcock]

The longer version is a bit better

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Thanks for the link.

1. That car was MOOOOOOOOOOOOVIN ! HOLY SHIT !

2. I see NO issue with the officer's response.

3. The family of course will not agree with # 2.

4. The most disgusting part of that vid was........."My phone, my phone". A man was just shot next to you, dragging an officer down the street, and you're worried about a fucking phone? Really? This video should be textbook for anyone lobbying for phones to be removed from the possession of children.

 

[GOPerfect]

Thanks for the link.

1. That car was MOOOOOOOOOOOOVIN ! HOLY SHIT !

2. I see NO issue with the officer's response.

3. The family of course will not agree with # 2.

4. The most disgusting part of that vid was........."My phone, my phone". A man was just shot next to you, dragging an officer down the street, and you're worried about a fucking phone? Really? This video should be textbook for anyone lobbying for phones to be removed from the possession of children.

The one that I was sent is a bit longer.

 

[GOPerfect]

Thanks for the link.

1. That car was MOOOOOOOOOOOOVIN ! HOLY SHIT !

2. I see NO issue with the officer's response.

3. The family of course will not agree with # 2.

4. The most disgusting part of that vid was........."My phone, my phone". A man was just shot next to you, dragging an officer down the street, and you're worried about a fucking phone? Really? This video should be textbook for anyone lobbying for phones to be removed from the possession of children.

They understand nothing, they will riot.

 

[That_FNG]

I’ll have to ask Joe about it but this one seemed justified from what I heard.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

Daevon... All we need to know.

As for riots; these people will riot over anything at all. I put nothing past them.

Vile creatures.

Let them riot. Then the morons who elected the phuckwads who continue to let this crime bullsh!t fester, can feel some pain.

 

[thughes]

Clean shoot, scumbag got exactly what he deserved.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Hmmmmnnn. The video is out, and I watched it. Clearly, the dead perp was a moron. And a scumbag. Per the linked NYPOST article, he had been arrested back in April for criminal possession of a weapon and other charges at a funeral no less. And presenting a picture of a fraudulent / invalid D/L on his phone? WTF is up with that?

But what also really caught my attention from the video was this: First,- why didn’t the officer have him turn off the vehicle at the beginning of the stop? Secondly, - the cop suddenly reaching in through the open window and unlocking and then immediately opening his door? There was no verbal notice telling the driver he was under arrest. And then there is the screenshot of the cop looking like he has stepped halfway into the car door opening? Was the cop trying to put his foot on the brake pedal?

I am in no way whatsoever defending ANY actions of the dead perp here. However, the procedures of the cop leave me uneasy. I have been stopped a number of times in these past 50+ years of driving. If an officer had pulled a similar maneuver with me, it would have been a major “what the fuck are you doing officer?” moment for me. To me, had the officer made the perp turn off the car engine at the beginning of that stop, I suspect that it might not have gone down the way it did.

When I first began driving, my dad instructed me on what to do if lit up / pulled over: pull over safely and don’t try to outrun the cops; roll down the window; turn off the car; if at night, turn on the interior lights; put my hands at 10 & 2 on the steering wheel; and await instructions. That advice has served me well. And now that I am a CCW holder who is always armed when driving, as a matter of course, I also calmly inform them first that I have a CCW license, and THEN inform them that I am carrying. (Don‘t make that Philando Castile fatal error of first telling the cop “I have a gun…and reaching for it!)

I am thinking we need to massively bring back PSA’s on this and other topics to today’s media.

Buffalo cop fatally shoots suspect while clinging to speeding car as 6-year-old boy sits in front seat: ‘You’re gonna kill me, bro’

“This is real life, there’s not a lot of control the way some of these situations go down.”

nypost.com

 

[JunkBoxFull]

Hmmmmnnn. The video is out, and I watched it. Clearly, the dead perp was a moron. And a scumbag. Per the linked NYPOST article, he had been arrested back in April for criminal possession of a weapon and other charges at a funeral no less. And presenting a picture of a fraudulent / invalid D/L on his phone? WTF is up with that?

But what also really caught my attention from the video was this: First,- why didn’t the officer have him turn off the vehicle at the beginning of the stop? Secondly, - the cop suddenly reaching in through the open window and unlocking and then immediately opening his door? There was no verbal notice telling the driver he was under arrest. And then there is the screenshot of the cop looking like he has stepped halfway into the car door opening? Was the cop trying to put his foot on the brake pedal?

I am in no way whatsoever defending ANY actions of the dead perp here. However, the procedures of the cop leave me uneasy. I have been stopped a number of times in these past 50+ years of driving. If an officer had pulled a similar maneuver with me, it would have been a major “what the fuck are you doing officer?” moment for me. To me, had the officer made the perp turn off the car engine at the beginning of that stop, I suspect that it might not have gone down the way it did.

When I first began driving, my dad instructed me on what to do if lit up / pulled over: pull over safely and don’t try to outrun the cops; roll down the window; turn off the car; if at night, turn on the interior lights; put my hands at 10 & 2 on the steering wheel; and await instructions. That advice has served me well. And now that I am a CCW holder who is always armed when driving, as a matter of course, I also calmly inform them first that I have a CCW license, and THEN inform them that I am carrying. (Don‘t make that Philando Castile fatal error of first telling the cop “I have a gun…and reaching for it!)

I am thinking we need to massively bring back PSA’s on this and other topics to today’s media.

Buffalo cop fatally shoots suspect while clinging to speeding car as 6-year-old boy sits in front seat: ‘You’re gonna kill me, bro’

“This is real life, there’s not a lot of control the way some of these situations go down.”

nypost.com

VEV,
unless the law has changed in NYS, you are not obligated to tell the police you have a CCW, or carrying, UNLESS, they ask you, first. The police already know, BEFORE, they pull you over, if you have a gubba`mint firearm permission slip from the tyrants. Less is more, stay quiet.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

VEV,
unless the law has changed in NYS, you are not obligated to tell the police you have a CCW, or carrying, UNLESS, they ask you, first. The police already know, BEFORE, they pull you over, if you have a gubba`mint firearm permission slip from the tyrants. Less is more, stay quiet.

I am aware of that in New Yorkistan. And that most if not all cops by now in NY know already if the registered car owner has a CCW. (Actually, that bothers me a bit if I let my kids drive my vehicle, and THEY are not carrying but somehow the cop will be starting the interaction thinking that the driver DOES...)

IIRC there is a NY court decision that prohibits the cops in NYS from asking directly if you have a firearm in the vehicle. So, some have gone to wording their inquiry differently to get around that by saying things like: "You don't have anything in the car that could hurt me, do you?", or something similar.

As I still travel around regularly, it seems easier to just let them know that I am licensed and am carrying, than worrying about what the law is in the specific state line I just crossed. I'm usually busy paying attention to my driving in heavy traffic. And, if I were I cop, I feel like I would appreciate knowing that from the person I just stopped anyway. Call it a common courtesy. The last time I was stopped, I did that, and the cop expressly thanked me for telling him, and let me off with a warning. And he even complimented me on my handguns listed on the back of my New Yorkistan permit.

To each their own. YMMV.

 

[Depick]

To his own detriment the officer gave him every chance to stop. I see zero issue with this officers actions.

 

[pshift]

I see 0 issues with this (the shots being fired) but a couple of procedures were not followed leading up to this. The motor should have been turned off, first and foremost upon suspicion that everything was NOT in order.

 

[SonOfSun]

Bodycam video, 10 mins, full context.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Daevon... All we need to know.

As for riots; these people will riot over anything at all. I put nothing past them.

Vile creatures.

I think you mean pillage.

 

[Rocpo]

VEV,
unless the law has changed in NYS, you are not obligated to tell the police you have a CCW, or carrying, UNLESS, they ask you, first. The police already know, BEFORE, they pull you over, if you have a gubba`mint firearm permission slip from the tyrants. Less is more, stay quiet.

For the umpteenth time... we DO NOT get CC permit info from NICS. I do not have a clue if the person I stop has a CCW permit from NYS or not.

 

[Rocpo]

Hmmmmnnn. The video is out, and I watched it. Clearly, the dead perp was a moron. And a scumbag. Per the linked NYPOST article, he had been arrested back in April for criminal possession of a weapon and other charges at a funeral no less. And presenting a picture of a fraudulent / invalid D/L on his phone? WTF is up with that?

But what also really caught my attention from the video was this: First,- why didn’t the officer have him turn off the vehicle at the beginning of the stop? Secondly, - the cop suddenly reaching in through the open window and unlocking and then immediately opening his door? There was no verbal notice telling the driver he was under arrest. And then there is the screenshot of the cop looking like he has stepped halfway into the car door opening? Was the cop trying to put his foot on the brake pedal?

I am in no way whatsoever defending ANY actions of the dead perp here. However, the procedures of the cop leave me uneasy. I have been stopped a number of times in these past 50+ years of driving. If an officer had pulled a similar maneuver with me, it would have been a major “what the fuck are you doing officer?” moment for me. To me, had the officer made the perp turn off the car engine at the beginning of that stop, I suspect that it might not have gone down the way it did.

When I first began driving, my dad instructed me on what to do if lit up / pulled over: pull over safely and don’t try to outrun the cops; roll down the window; turn off the car; if at night, turn on the interior lights; put my hands at 10 & 2 on the steering wheel; and await instructions. That advice has served me well. And now that I am a CCW holder who is always armed when driving, as a matter of course, I also calmly inform them first that I have a CCW license, and THEN inform them that I am carrying. (Don‘t make that Philando Castile fatal error of first telling the cop “I have a gun…and reaching for it!)

I am thinking we need to massively bring back PSA’s on this and other topics to today’s media.

Buffalo cop fatally shoots suspect while clinging to speeding car as 6-year-old boy sits in front seat: ‘You’re gonna kill me, bro’

“This is real life, there’s not a lot of control the way some of these situations go down.”

nypost.com

The PO on scene determined the info that the driver gave him was FALSE. No DL was provided, probably because shitavious knew he was wanted/suspended.

There's no point in asking for the keys when most cars now are push button start. When I started, we'd have the driver put the keys on the roof of the car. Now that doesn't do a damn thing.

Putting yourself into shitavious' situation makes no sense. Do you give cops your DL or bullshit information that is easy to prove is wrong? I had a guy on a stop give me a bullshit name. Doing some digging, I found his actual name and when I ran that, it gave me 3 separate felony warrants for 3 different jurisdictions. Do you have warrants to hide? No? Then what happened here WILL NOT APPLY TO YOU.

 

[GOPerfect]

VEV,
unless the law has changed in NYS, you are not obligated to tell the police you have a CCW, or carrying, UNLESS, they ask you, first. The police already know, BEFORE, they pull you over, if you have a gubba`mint firearm permission slip from the tyrants. Less is more, stay quiet.

You just made this up.....

 

[GOPerfect]

For the umpteenth time... we DO NOT get CC permit info from NICS. I do not have a clue if the person I stop has a CCW permit from NYS or not.

They won't believe you, no matter how times you say it

 

[JunkBoxFull]

You just made this up.....

How did i do that? This was always commonly known that you`re not obligated to tell LE that you are carrying (in NYS), unless an officer asks if you are armed, then you are required to tell them. Has this changed and i haven`t known that it did?


EDIT: Here you go

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/in-which-states-must-you-notify-an-officer-youre-carrying/

 

[GOPerfect]

How did i do that? This was always commonly known that you`re not obligated to tell LE that you are carrying (in NYS), unless an officer asks if you are armed, then you are required to tell them. Has this changed and i haven`t known that it did?


EDIT: Here you go

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/in-which-states-must-you-notify-an-officer-youre-carrying/

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The police already know, BEFORE, they pull you over, if you have a gubba`mint firearm permission slip from the tyrants.

No department that I am familiar with in NY State has this information on their car computers.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

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No department that I am familiar with in NY State has this information on their car computers.

Not what i`ve been told.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

For the umpteenth time... we DO NOT get CC permit info from NICS. I do not have a clue if the person I stop has a CCW permit from NYS or not.

Where did i say anything about NICS in my comment that you responded to?

 

[Justincase]

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No department that I am familiar with in NY State has this information on their car computers.

Just took a pistol instructor course with 5 other students. 4 of those were law enforcement. They all said they know if you have a pistol permit when pulling you over. Either they’re all liars, or they have different information available to them than some other departments.