Buffalo PD emergency response team resigns over old man shove

[Blimey]

You got to be kidding me!! This will effectively neutralize any officer left . Now if your going to arrest someone, your going to have to ask them nicely . Sir can you please put your hands behind your back so I can cuff you? No? Ok will you please step into the car so I can take you down town? No? OK, Can you please stop stabbing that man ? No?Ok Guess Im done here.

I know the cops reading this don't need my advice, but if they did...I'd consider calling in sick if they are asking you to deal with rioters. Also, long bathroom breaks, take extra time. Look the other way. Nobody has your back and you'll be used as a fall guy.

 

[holdover]

Looters shot on sight . looters go home. problem solved. Of course We can ask them nicely to stop too. but they keep telling us to go fuck ourselves.

 

[GOPerfect]

Just moments ago, here in DC. Florida National Guard Soldiers from the 53rd Infantry Brigade Combat Team swear in as temporary U.S. Marshals in support of citizens at the Nation’s Capital.

Oh baby
Yes baby
Wooh baby
Havin' me some fun tonight, yeah

Oh, what the fuck!!!!! I wanna swear in as well. Come on, swear me in, sigh me up!!!

 

[GOPerfect]

I know the cops reading this don't need my advice, but if they did...I'd consider calling in sick if they are asking you to deal with rioters. Also, long bathroom breaks, take extra time. Look the other way. Nobody has your back and you'll be used as a fall guy.

I am not sure you realize what is going to happen in Downtown Buffalo tonight. They are not going to waste a sick day for this outrage.

They are going to go to work, protect other officers, their cars (if they are in them) and their precinct houses. The political elite have spoken loud and clear.... Do not enforce the laws, do not enforce the curfews and do not disturb the riot mob, looters and protesters. They will give the city exactly what they want.

 

[holdover]

If they get anywhere near a million they are going to try to storm the bastille . At some point the guns have to come out.

Or take out a giant white flag

 

[SomeSoldier]

Oh, what the fuck!!!!! I wanna swear in as well. Come on, swear me in, sigh me up!!!

I would 100% volunteer.

 

[holdover]

The Los Angeles police union is calling Mayor Eric Garcetti “unstable” after he called police “killers” on Thursday, as members accused the City Council of “bow[ing] to Black Lives Matter.”

Los Angeles Police Protective League director Jamie McBride told a news conference Friday that Garcetti had “smeared every single police officer in Los Angeles and across the nation.”

“We are worried and concerned about Eric Garcetti. He is clearly unstable … if the city had the equivalent to the 25th Amendment to remove shaky or unstable leaders from office, we would plead for it to be invoked,” McBride said.

Video:

L.A. Police Union Calls Eric Garcetti 'Unstable' After He Calls Cops 'Killers'

The LA police union is calling Mayor Eric Garcetti "unstable" after he called police "killers," after cutting $150 million from the LAPD.

www.breitbart.com

 

[Different Drummer]

The environment and expectations being created that LEO must function in is getting a bit absurd. I guess they are somehow supposed to perform their job while not performing their job. Maybe something akin to a fireman putting out a house fire without having any water damage occur in the process. Reminds me of some insane ROE.

IMO what happened to George Floyd was despicable.
What "Officer Slappy" did a few years ago in a WalMart parking lot IMO was wrong. What the two LEO did in NM several years ago was wrong. Driving a guy all over the State until they found an ignorant medical professional willing to do a colonoscopy on the guy. Their justification being that probable suspicion for the internal search was their claim he was observed clenching his butt cheeks. LEO killing the homeless man in the desert of Arizona saying they perceived him reaching for a weapon was wrong. Leo killing the mentally ill guy in Burlington VT because he did not obey their order to drop a shovel was wrong. The guy in Saratoga that got tased because he made a hand gesture was wrong IMO. Back in those days I went round and round with some of our LEO members. The good of that is that I learned an awful lot about the mind set of LEO and what some of their standard operating procedures are. It all helped me formulate in my mind just how I would conduct myself in any potential interactions with LEO to insure my safety, should I have the misfortune to encounter the "Officer Slappy" type.
So what does all that have to do with this thread?
Well, I am only a few years behind the guy who wound up on the ground in Buffalo. After all the years I have spent on the planet I damn well know better than to go out into the environment that old fart went into. If I did I would not conduct myself as he did. He made the move toward the LEO and put himself in their face and path of advancement. I don't know what he was doing with the phone in his right hand. Maybe recording or taking photos. It did not look to me like the shove was that forceful. The old fart probably has some loss of balance control. Happens with age. Hell, I lose balance occasionally putting on my underwear. Just so happens he went down and hit his head. Not like the LEO gathered around him and beat the crap out of him. ( Which we have seen happen before)
Nope, though an unfortunate incident it does not warrant action against the LEO involved. Especially considering the environment that they are having to work in during this nonsense of times.
Just my nickels worth.

 

[Toecutter]

Here is a view opposite the line of officers no hordes of rioters ,no screaming ,no fires .just a handful of people exercising their rights to protest and police enforcing a questionably legal curfew. If the officers did no wrong they will have their day in court like the rest of us and they can sue if wrongfully charged .

 

[holdover]

The Pentagon has told Washington D.C.'s National Guard and guardsmen from other states who have are in the nation’s capital not to use guns or ammunition.

The order came from Defense Secretary Mark Esper and made without consulting the White House, The Washington Post reported, and it's seen as a sign of de-escalation of the federal response to protests that sprung up in the wake of George Floyd's death.

National Guard in Washington D.C. are told NOT to carry guns or ammo

The Pentagon has told Washington D.C.'s National Guard and guardsmen from other states who have are in the nation's capital not to use guns or ammunition.

www.dailymail.co.uk

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/pentagon-disarms-guardsmen-in-washington-dc-in-signal-of-de-escalation/2020/06/05/324da91a-a733-11ea-8681-7d471bf20207_story.html

 

[holdover]

Yeah they'll have their day in court. They got arrested.

 

[Blimey]

Both charged with felony assault. As for the guy who baited them, he's a lovely guy.

Protester pushed to ground by police is longtime peace activist from Amherst

Martin Gugino, 75, was in serious but stable condition at Erie County Medical Center as of Thursday night, according to

buffalonews.com

 

[tirwin1]

I'm sure his 35 YouTube subscribers are all upset. I like how he mentioned the constitution was above traffic laws. So far so good. Any guess as to his position on the constitutional right to assemble to protest covid restrictions or the safe act?

 

[Apeman]

The curfew is a whole different argument that also needs to be addressed. It's bullshit, and just like ordering businesses to close and people to stay home, isn't legal.

 

[Jsmegs77]

Anyone here ever been anywhere near a biker bar? Ever seen a fight where's someone got tagged upside the temple with a helmet? This dumb schlub went up to an advancing line of riot police with a potential impact weapon.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

IF any one of US pushed that old man down exactly as He was pushed down...we'd be in jail waiting for bail and the Police would be lauded for the immediate apprehension. The uniform is the difference. I'm not against police...just against stupid.

Simpler example of "professional courtesy" I was working 3rd shift security for the Feds and wanted to see how fast I could get to work. It was about 20 miles from home to work. I ususally made it in about 14 minutes. I was clocked on the Youngman at over 100 and stopped. I was in Uniform. Guess what happened and guess what would of happened to a non Police person.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

IF any one of US pushed that old man down exactly as He was pushed down...we'd be in jail waiting for bail and the Police would be lauded for the immediate apprehension. The uniform is the difference. I'm not against police...just against stupid.

Simpler example of "professional courtesy" I was working 3rd shift security for the Feds and wanted to see how fast I could get to work. It was about 20 miles from home to work. I ususally made it in about 14 minutes. I was clocked on the Youngman at over 100 and stopped. I was in Uniform. Guess what happened and guess what would of happened to a non Police person.

Did you demand to be ticketed / arrested?

 

[Toecutter]

The curfew is a whole different argument that also needs to be addressed. It's bullshit, and just like ordering businesses to close and people to stay home, isn't legal.

Apparently police can choose not to enforce laws when people loot and burn but they cant choose to enforce unconstitutional edicts arresting people for protesting , not social distancing , not wearing a mask or trying to feed their families by opening a business .

 

[Apeman]

Apparently police can choose not to enforce laws when people loot and burn but they cant choose to enforce unconstitutional edicts arresting people for protesting , not social distancing , not wearing a mask or trying to feed their families by opening a business .

Are they choosing what to enforce or are they being told which laws to enforce by their liberal masters (governor, mayor). "Enforce what we tell you to or you're fired".

 

[Marine Cpl]

Try getting in the way of a fire truck or ambulance while they've got the lights and siren going. That's the equivalent of what this guy did.

Nope.

 

[spat]

Not that anybody cares but here's my take on it.

From the position the video was taken I believe that he walked toward the cops looking to start shit and get a reaction from them. When they pushed him he "tripped" and fell. I watched it a few times and the way his feet are moving he didn't fall over from being pushed. And it wasn't a hard shove either. If he really got hurt then he hit his head harder than he planned on and his plan sent him to the hospital.

I see all the things pointed out with the possible tube of fake blood and that it's actually not coming from in his ear. For me there's not enough to say if it was fake or not but if it was faked then you'd think the ems crew would've come forward to back the cops. If they were a part of faking this then they aren't going to get any protection from police when they go into crowds to help injured protesters.

You can argue all day on whether or not to push someone that old. Bottom line is he put his hands on cops while they were trying to do the job they were ordered to do. If he is allowed to do that then they are allowed to get him out of their way as fast as they need to so they can continue doing their job. Once again there is a short clip of something that doesn't show the entire scene unfolding instead of a 5 minute video showing before and after. If there was something going on that they needed to deal with then why wouldn't they keep going? One of them called it in. The others need to keep going to do what they were there for.

If the 2 cops are charged why isn't he?

Either way the city will probably burn. If they didn't charge them the city would riot. Now that they're charged the rest of the force will just sit back and let them riot so they don't get charged with anything.

I don't agree with quite a few of the laws on the books but they're there. If the liberal assholes in charge don't want the police enforcing the laws then remove those laws. You can't have it both ways

I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure EMS would not be able to comment on anything like that.

HIPPA or something like that.

 

[Chevusa]

 

[NY Leatherneck]

Guy should of had his helmet on....just say'n.

 

[Saltwater60]

If it is fake blood, the authorities would behoove themselves to put that information out there. People would stop calling for the cops‘ heads.

I just spoke to another cop about this and he told me that they are essentially sworn to secrecy because of HIPA violations. I said how could it be a HIPA violation if you say it was fake blood your not disclosing any personal medical information. He said they take that stuff super far and super serious so they won’t say.

 

[Apeman]

So if his faking it or not can't be revealed due to HIPPA then how the fuck can Drs. ratt you out for owning guns or for being "mentally unstable" and then your guns are taken? HIPAA should be in place to protect people's privacy but it can't be used to deprive somebody's rights on one case and hide evidence in another. That's just another way the courts in this country are corrupted.

 

[Airborneguy]

I know the cops reading this don't need my advice, but if they did...I'd consider calling in sick if they are asking you to deal with rioters. Also, long bathroom breaks, take extra time. Look the other way. Nobody has your back and you'll be used as a fall guy.

Man I would but being on the brink of retirement, this overtime has been life changing.

I have everything charted out on my desk (I’m home now) so this is a rough estimate, but since monday I have NOT been on the clock for maybe 15 hours. Today is only the 2nd day I have left at 1700 after doing 12 hours. Today and tomorrow were supposed to be my days off.

Last night we secured a lower entrance to the Brooklyn Bridge walkway for almost 12 straight hours. I worked a total of 21, slept two hours on my office couch then started again while my wife was looking at houses in NJ.

Give or take a little, this past week has boosted my pension enough to cover private school for one of my kids if I wanted to, and it definitely covers the increased property taxes I’ll pay in NJ.

 

[livingston]

Buffalo Officials Duped By Professional Antifa Provocateur – Arrest and Charge Two Police Officers – Righteous Police Team Stand Together and Walk Out

Martin Gugino is a 75-year-old professional agitator and Antifa provocateur who brags on his blog about the number of times he can get arrested and escape prosecution. Gugino’s Twitter Account is also filled with anti-cop sentiment [SEE HERE]. Last Thursday Gugino traveled from his home in Amherst, New York, to Buffalo to agitate a protest crowd.

During his effort Gugino was attempting to capture the radio communications signature of Buffalo police officers. CTH noted what he was attempting on Thursday night as soon as the now viral video was being used by media to sell a police brutality narrative. [Thread Here] Today, a more clear video has emerged that shows exactly what he was attempting.

In this slow motion video, you will see Gugino using a phone as a capture scanner. You might have heard the term “skimming”; it’s essentially the same. Watch him use his right hand to first scan the mic of officer one (top left of chest). Then Gugino moves his hand to the communications belt of the second officer. WATCH CLOSELY:

Buffalo Officials Duped By Professional Antifa Provocateur - Arrest and Charge Two Police Officers - Righteous Police Team Stand Together and Walk Out... - The Last Refuge

Martin Gugino is a 75-year-old professional agitator and Antifa provocateur who brags on his blog about the number of times he can get arrested and escape prosecution. According to Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown “There has been vandalism, there have been fires set, there have been stores broken into...

theconservativetreehouse.com

 

[livingston]

The capture of communications signals [explained in detail here] is a method of police tracking used by Antifa to monitor the location of police. In some cases the more high tech capture software can even decipher communication encryption allowing the professional agitators to block (black-out), jam, or interfere with police communication

 

[Apeman]

None of our business but why NJ? Why not a free state while there still are some.

I don't blame you for taking as much ot as possible but they don't have rules in place? Or only rules that say they can't MAKE you work over a certain amount of time?

 

[livingston]

Thread by @TheLastRefuge2: Watch the old guy's right hand closely. This was not innocuous. He's attempting to either record the police tactical belt, and/or skim the r…

Thread by @TheLastRefuge2: Watch the old guy's right hand closely. This was not innocuous. He's attempting to either record the police tacticor skim the radio... Watch it a few times; you'll see. You can download software to your phone that allows you to…

threadreaderapp.com

You can download software to your phone that allows you to "clone" the frequency and signal of a device.

Once the frequency is captured (ie cloned) you can track the device, duplicate the signal and/or listen to a transmission.

That appears to be what he's attempting.
Here's a pro-tip that I might get in trouble for sharing.

In the old days we called them 'bounty hunters', but in modern vernacular they're trackers. Guys/Gals who trace 'wanted people' for a living.

In this era the public sector track operations are high tech.
Example. Remember, this is private sector.